r/AlternativeHistory • u/Civil-Earth-9737 • 1d ago
Alternative Theory This book and the author argue that Christian doctrine has its origin in the Hindu spiritual thought. See the link in the body to read the book yourself.
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u/Ok_Skill7476 1d ago
Have you read The Immortality Key by Brian Muraresku?
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 1d ago
I haven’t. Thanks for recommending it. Why is the key message of that book?
Edit: I just checked with Chat GPT and it sure sounds interesting. In Hinduism, the role of psychedelic was played by Soma. We don’t yet know what it was.
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u/Ok_Skill7476 1d ago
It discusses Greco-Roman religious practices that (he theorizes) later evolved into what we know as Catholicism and the act of communion. Prior to Roman control over these practices, they were seriously considered to be vision quests and scholars and philosophers (and others) would fast and prepare themselves for the trips. Archeobotany has found numerous psychedelic remnants in thousands of Roman clay pots ranging from Portugal to Jerusalem. Muraresku even theorizes that many of the Bible’s letters were redacted, but at one time included recipes for these religious drinks.
The book, IIRC, also discusses some Vedic influence in these practices.
I’ve done ayahuasca once and I’ve no doubt that these trips formed into religions
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 1d ago
Wow. Thanks for the detailed answer. How was your ayahuasca experience? People say it can go either way - euphoria or terror!
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u/Ok_Skill7476 22h ago
I was lucky. I had zero bad feelings or paranoia. Once I got over the stomach discomfort (I didn’t vomit because I fasted for days), it was profoundly peaceful and incredible. The feeling of interconnectedness stuck with me for weeks. Would highly recommend
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u/Rockspeaker 1d ago
Every culture has divinely inspired prophets. The Bible says so. That means some of them came before Jesus or even Abraham. Melchizedek is an example it gives.
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 1d ago
In Hinduism, we have “prophets” as in messengers, but they are not intermediaries. The infinite God himself takes a physical form and “comes down” as an Avatara. Though you are correct that every culture has origin from same source and every culture has its own great people who teach civilization and moral living etc. End of the day, every living organism on the planet is the child of the same divinity and we should not have religion wars at all.
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u/arbitrage_prophet 1d ago
Yes! Also the pharaohs were considered avatara, and one may argue that at least two Romans, Divus Julius and Divus Augustus, were considered human vicars of Jupiter and Apollo, respectively!
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 1d ago
I read somewhere that the Magi’s that brought gifts for Jesus were actually the Maga Brahmins who also helped Krishna’s son Samb in Solar Worship when he could not get any Brahmins on mainland India to help him.
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u/Rockspeaker 1d ago
Prophets are not intermediaries in Christianity either. We pray to God. That Avatara, to us, was Jesus.
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u/arbitrage_prophet 1d ago
Saved, thank you. I think there is something here. Another poster mentioned a hidden / obscured priest class. I think that is mostly correct too. If we look at the common era accounts of early Roman imperialism, there are some oddities surrounding the Actium and Alexandrian "battles" (31-30 bce).
It is possible the Egyptian ruling / priest class migrated from lower to upper Egypt with their resources, and fled via sea from Ethiopia / Horn of Africa to the subcontinent. The evolution of temple building and advanced agriculture in India during the early common era might be due to this potential cultural fusion. As we know, an Indo-Hellenic fusion already existed in the northern kingdoms, so this is not outside the realm of possibilities.
Thank you again!!
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u/H2OULookinAtDiknose 21h ago
Considering Christianity or any Jesus religion came after Hinduism and Buddhism and hella other faiths or religions it's safe to assume they copied some homework
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u/Hot_Currency_6199 1d ago edited 1d ago
There are a number of concepts from Aryan religion that matriculated throughout the world. For example, the concept of G-d as a patriarch originated in the Aryan (called Indo-European nowadays) canons and is why both Zeus and Indra are male. It is also why they are in the sky and control lightning.
Jesus, however, is rooted in a distinct Jewish semitic tradition that adopted some of the ideas from Indo-European canons but has well documented development outside of these same traditions.
If you are looking for something to grab onto...
There are rumours that Jesus traveled to India and studied with the Brahmins. For this to be true, there likely had to be a secretive priestly caste which picked him up...
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u/guy_on_wheels 1d ago
Also the symbolisms used, the crosses and swastikas for example. It goes back far and wide
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago edited 1d ago
Christianity was ripped from ancient Egypt and Samaritans, sorry to hurt your white supremacy bubble
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u/Hot_Currency_6199 1d ago
Uh, there are a number of crossover concepts between Christianity and the Greeks especially which is an indo-european tradition. But, Christianity is definitely derived from Judaism.
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago
Aren't the Samarians older then the Greeks? Because that's where Christianity came from mostly. Its just a mixtape of the top religions of the ofl world wrapped in authoritarianism
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u/TheTurdtones 1d ago
giggitymesh and the bald immortal U dude from the flood....but but cultures spread beliefs look at the snake representing access to knowledge ion rhe biblical myth and aspects of vishu standing on snakes of knowl;edge or wearing them many cultures have snakes tied to knowledge and yet we tie them to sneaky by observation of thier nature....yet many cultures tie snakes to knowledge
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u/Hot_Currency_6199 1d ago
How in the hell are you making the claim that Christianity is mostly from the Sarmatians when it is directly derived from the Jewish Old Testament and all the people who wrote it were Jews?
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago
Because its history ? You can do 5 minutes of research brother
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u/Hot_Currency_6199 1d ago
Provide evidence for your claim
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago
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u/JoyousFox 1d ago
Sumer is just the oldest culture of the fertile crescent and gave rise to Semitic/Babylonian people groups. Which became Jews and eventually Christians. You think you are saying something compelling and clever, but really just essentially saying the equivalent of "they stole their ideas from their grandparents." Yes, we know that already.
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u/Hot_Currency_6199 1d ago
Alright, first of all, you misspelled Sumerians so I thought you meant the Sarmatians who are more contemporary to the Christians.
However, yes, the Sumerians are a people (we don’t know where they are from) who began the Semitic tradition and likely had influence on middle eastern religions like the Semitic Jews through things like the flood myth. They were then picked up by Christianity.
But they were gone thousands of years before the Christians and the Jews who wrote the New Testament definitely got the ideas through Judaism and not directly from the Sumerians. However, some ideas were adopted into Jewish traditions through thousands of years of history in the Middle East.
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u/LOST-MY_HEAD 1d ago
Most religions are older religions and beliefs remixed. That's all I'm saying. And used to control the population
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u/TheTurdtones 1d ago
we know exactly where the sumerians were and the citys they built and where the major ones were..there is a huge collection of cunieform tablets written in sumerian we even know the greek who first reported the ruined city in a retreat from the turks IIRC..your ignorance of other relgious beliefs and myths from other cultures seems somewhat lacking hence your ianbility to see shared conections ..dont look at the dreamtime or zorastrianism you wont like the comparisons there either
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u/DannyMannyYo 1d ago
Yes and I’m Africana. You know because our ancestors came from Africa. Everything derive from Africana.
Me also Good Samaritan /s
…what…
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u/GreatCaesarGhost 1d ago
This book was published in 1870. Generally speaking, historical works published more than 30 years ago are outdated in significant respects, and this author’s biography does not indicate that he was formally trained as a historian, linguist, or in some other relevant field.
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u/YourOverlords 15h ago
"Hindu" is the term the British popularized in the 19th century to describe the people in India who weren't Christians or Muslims and who worshipped various gods. Some people worshipped Shiva, other Brahma, others Vishnu, Rama, Ganesh and so on. All different in various ways, more or less pigeon holed for the convenience of colonialism.
There was knowledge of a pantheon, but like ancient Rome, each god had it's own religion.
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 15h ago
No. That’s a mistake many people make. Hinduism, or more correctly, Sanatan is not a polytheistic religion. It’s monotheistic in a way that all the Gods are manifestations of the same divine. There are several occasions where Rama says - whoever worships me but disposes Shiva will not get benefit from my worship and will instead stay in Naraka (not exactly Hell, but assume for simplicity) for an eternity. Rama worships Shiva. Shiva worships Rama. This is just one example. Indian Sanatan deities do not compete, but they supplement.
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u/YourOverlords 14h ago
"Hindu" is the term the British popularized in the 19th century to describe the people in India who weren't Christians or Muslims
This is no mistake. Read my post again. You are reading into it without reading the plain and matter of fact thing I said.
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 14h ago
My comment was more in response to your last line where you said each God has his own religion. This is not true in Sanatan. The “religion” is the same. Either your worship Devi or Krishna or Ganesha or Shiva or Rama or Kartikeya or Vithhala or anyone - religions is the same that ic the very very core tenets are the same. There are more like different sects that appeal to people of different social, psychological and emotional make up.
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u/YourOverlords 14h ago
I think that we are saying the same thing. Paganism recognizes the whole of the cosmology while individuals, families, cohorts of people etc will adhere to worship of one of the deities in particular.
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u/SaviturJyotish 4h ago
What u/Civil-Earth-9737 is closer to being correct. Saying "Hinduism" historically is one religion is like saying that Judaism, Christianity and Islam are one religion called "Jordanism" because they all appeared around the Jordan river. There are differences in even in terms of core tenants. For example, Adi-Sankara says that Krishna is a manifestation of an impersonal Brahman, while Ramanujan, Madhva and others (including Krishna Himself) say that actually his personal aspect if fundamental, not a product of Maya, and that only fools say otherwise. Krishna condemns worshiping anyone besides Himself, calling those who do so unintelligent.
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u/VirginiaLuthier 1d ago
I thought Jesus studied in a Tibetan Buddhist Monestary.....
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u/Civil-Earth-9737 1d ago
Hindus treat Buddhism as a branch of- not a separate religion. Infact, Buddha is counted in 10 major avatars of Vishnu.
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u/ScurvyDog509 1d ago
And Sumerian religion predates them both while having striking similarities in themes -- divine floods, cosmic battles, creator gods with anthropomorphic traits, etc.
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u/gorillagangstafosho 1d ago
This is obvious if you have a brain. Krishna = Christ. Recycled religions to control the masses with adult fairy tales. When will humanity grow up and throw away its childish nonsense?
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u/JustALadFromLivapool 1d ago
What are the corollaries between the two stories I was coming here to ask about Krishna = Jesus. I’ve heard Buddha too
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u/MomsAgainstPenguins 1d ago
It doesn't matter europe owned india so long they hate their own skin pigment and incorporated european values into their cast system. What came first the jesus or the plague...
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u/PLUTO_HAS_COME_BACK 1d ago
Indo-European religion
Is Hinduism the only Indo-European religion which has been continually worshipped to the present day? Why did it survive when all others died out? : r/AskHistorians
(32) What is the biggest Indo-European-based religion today? - Quora
Who Was the First God? - Tales of Times Forgotten