r/AnimalsBeingStrange • u/DarkfireEclipse • 5d ago
Funny animal The turtle get scare.
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u/AUREL-FOR 5d ago
If it is an aquatic tortoise should have ancestral memory of it enemies
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u/ForeHand101 5d ago edited 5d ago
Not saying you're wrong, but calling it "ancestral memory" makes it sound like some sort of mystical thing when in reality their brain is just programmed to fear the general look and shape of sharks because those that didn't got killed by said sharks.
Literally the same reasons and ways humans have fear of things without usually having had a traumatizing encounter with said thing, yet we don't typically say humans have "ancestral memory". Sorry for the mini rant, just felt like I wanted to say it, so I did lol
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u/Puzzled_Stay5530 5d ago
Feels mystical to me
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u/ForeHand101 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's just biology and other sciences, nothing mystical about it besides a lack of understanding. That's really the big difference between magic or mystical things and science; science is exploration and understanding while magical or mystical things are that which hasn't been explained yet by science.
Idk, maybe It's just the autism thing or a big pet peeve, but I can't stand real life things being given "magical" properties by people when those things have an explainable reason within an actual understanding of the world around us.
Like you wouldn't describe a plane as mystical, yet someone a few hundred years ago absolutely would. Look up cargo cults, it really changed how I viewed science in the modern world. Isolated humans worshipped and created culture around the planes and ships and people they seen and sometimes even interacted with up close during WW2. Technology so advanced to them that it defied any explanation, yet less than a hundred years later and that tech they witnessed is considerd obsolete by us today or is rarely used, treated as antique.
I suppose what's mystical is just a matter of perspective really, that's my conclusion at the end of this high info dump / rant lol.
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u/Ok_Return_4101 4d ago
Any sufficiently advanced extraterrestrial intelligence is indistinguishable from God. Arthur C. Clarke
To every other life form on Earth, we would seem like gods..........or lunch. One of the two.
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u/ForeHand101 4d ago edited 4d ago
I've heard that quote before! It pretty much summarizes what I think about all that I said
Edit: well adding the whole shark thing after made me laugh lmao (I'm like high lol)
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u/Several-Bluejay-190 3d ago
insanely pedantic. you could just let someone call instinct what they want.
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u/ForeHand101 3d ago
Well they didn't call it instinct, that's what I'm calling it (and you lol). They called it something that doesn't exist and some people will find misleading. Memory is not passed into offspring, fears and behaviors and whatnot are, but memory is unique to every individual.
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u/Several-Bluejay-190 3d ago
i can’t imagine being so wrong and obtuse at the same time honestly. your response is about what i expected tho just more irrelevant trash.
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u/NinjaDad_ 3d ago
Yeah, it seems like there's one "well actually" every thread if it gets big enough.
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u/AlexandriaLitehouse 3d ago
Yeah "ancestral memory" is just a succinct way of describing the biology to develop the fear of sharks even if you're a reptile wrapped in a blankie watching TV.
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u/ForeHand101 3d ago
It's misleading tho because there is no "memory" involved at all, it's just instinct. If memory got passed to offspring, then that's something we as animals would likely experience. But we dont and there's no evidence that any other animal experiences memory passed genetically. Fears and behaviors and whatnot can and often are passed genetically, but memories are unique to every individual.
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u/SigmundFreud 4d ago
I've actually met people who were scared of some things. It's pretty crazy.
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u/ForeHand101 4d ago edited 3d ago
No way man, you sure? I've heard people can lie tho too and that scares me lol
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u/NinjaDad_ 3d ago
Look at this poor fool that doesn't even have ancestral memory. Do not mock him. Pity him for he shall never know the empowerment of ancestral memory.
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u/LazyLich 3d ago
No. You're wrong.
This turtle has genetic memories of his ancestors' lives, and he experience them first-hand by hooking up to Abstergo's Animus.
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u/cryptic-coyote 2d ago
What is an instinct developed through millions of years of evolution if not the phantom touch of long-gone ancestors?
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u/blueavole 3d ago
There is actually some studies with mice and pain that apparently connects ancestral memory.
The mom mouse was taught to associate a mild shock with a sound.( if I’m remembering this right).
And her babies born later who had never experienced the shock also reacted negatively to the sound.
So there is some scientific backing to the idea of genetic memory
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u/ForeHand101 3d ago
That's learned behavior passed genetically I'd say. Like some mouse on the other side of the world isn't suddenly going to be scared of getting shocked because that one mouse did. Only ones that would get scared are those related to that first mouse. And especially the mice don't actually have a memory of anything, which is why it's not "genetic memory".
And that's basically how evolution works lol: a change happens in a parent that gets passed to their offspring. It's not memory, it's just instinct. The mice don't know why they get scared, they just do becauze that's how their brain reacts to that noise. If it is an actual threat in the wild, then those genes that are responsible for that fear keep getting passed down because the mice who aren't afraid get killed usually. If there is no threat, that instinct will slowly fade through the generations.
No memory, just instinct. Memory is something unique to every individual experience of life. Certain things can subtly change our genes as we grow which can get passed into children, but children don't actually have any memory from their parents, obviously or else humans would experience this as well lol.
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u/ever_precedent 1d ago edited 1d ago
Memory as a word is quite a bit more expansive than that. We have cultural memories that are passed on through generations, the Australian aboriginal Dreaming is a great example of a very ancient cultural memory. And then the word memory is used in the context of electronics too, which has absolutely nothing to do your explanation. It's just information that is stored and transmitted, regardless of the physical progress of how it happens in each instance, this is still a description of what is happening. That's why we can talk of concepts such as genetic memory to simplify the understanding of a more complex underlying process. It's a symbolic abstraction, in other words. Because the meanings of words are arbitrary and the word memory has a much wider meaning than what you claim.
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u/Total-Improvements 5d ago
How people can question whether or not animals have consciousness is beyond me
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u/DenkJu 4d ago
Nobody questions whether animals are capable of detecting threats. That doesn't mean they are conscious in the same way humans are.
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u/FaithlessnessLoud336 4d ago
Everything is constantly evolving even still, without humans the race would still be on, we just don’t want competition, we see this energy now more than ever. I say all of this to say, ranking consciousness by “the same way humans are” is power based, there are various forms of consciousness we might not even have access too, some could better tap into nature, planets, or unseen forces but just don’t matter in terms of survival. We rank things by “consciousness” to take away the guilt that comes with necessary murder needed for our survival
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u/Temporary_Fee1277 4d ago
I say this all the time but ppl don’t believe me to think I’m crazy 🫤 Everything is conscious one way or another the plant is a living breathing thing
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u/Gl0Re1LLY 3d ago
Turtle reacts just like a person watching a scary movie and covering their eyes just to part their fingers to see what's happening.
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u/Jingotastic 1d ago
The way she tucks up feels like a little old granny saying "Oh, my goodness" and clutching her pearls 🤣❤️
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u/No-Mix-7574 5d ago
That reaction time…lunch