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u/SomeSome92 23h ago
Benny Johnson is a multi-millionaire.
He can easily afford if the prices for rent, grocery, utilities and etc increase by 50%. The average US citizen can't.
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u/BearBeaBeau 23h ago
No new IPhone for you
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u/Cossack-HD 20h ago
There haven't really been new iPhones for like 5 years.
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u/BearBeaBeau 20h ago
That doesn't stop apple from making them run all buggy after two years. All my friends have iphones and they get new ones every 2-3 years like clockwork. Meanwhile my Samsungs typically last 5-7 and only because the battery starts to get weak do I care. I went from galaxy 3 to 8 to 22. All my friends have had every model of iPhone. It's insane.
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u/lycanthrope90 Dr Pepper Enjoyer 20h ago
Yeah I have a 12 and the fucking non wifi internet barely works at all at this point, ridiculous.
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u/Ok_Comparison_2635 12h ago
I just use a cheap android phone. They last about 3 years even if I abuse it. They only cost $200 each.
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u/Away-Individual-6835 20h ago
Your friends are not great with money or getting a deal from their carrier, I always keep my iPhones for 5-7 years and I do not have any problems with slowdowns. Unlike my experience with android I also get updates much longer.
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u/TheManyVoicesYT 22h ago
They could if they recieved a fair share of the company's profits, instead of giving all the profits to like... 1 guy.
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u/No_Style7841 21h ago
Than just tax them or have stronger union protections, but oh trump is doing the opposite.
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u/OdaNobunaga69 20h ago
What is this commie talk? A true patriot doesn't need wealth equality, affordable healthcare or those pesky unions!
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u/Healthy-Yak-2763 WHAT A DAY... 13h ago
Taxing the rich and tariffs do the same thing... It just gets passed to consumers...
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u/argumenthaver 20h ago
everything has already been inflated more than 50% and has been on track to inflate more
"oh no, what if we skip ahead 5 years?" isn't a very compelling argument against radical change that could be beneficial
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u/Cirisis_ 14h ago
Actually for many people that's the difference between living 5 more years and not living 5 more years.
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u/MoisterOyster19 22h ago
Is he arguing that the US the richest country in the Earth isn't prosperous either?
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u/Electrical-Bid-8145 18h ago
Same Benny Johnson who took russian money without asking questions via Tenet Media?
This guy is anything put an average US citizen and people should call his shit out every time he pretends he is.
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u/1730sRifleman 22h ago
And what percent of our housing, food, and utilities do we import such that they are subject to tariffs?
The average US citizen will benefit from reducing "free trade" and creating a more self sufficient nation.
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u/Battle_Fish 21h ago
These things aren't mutually exclusive. You don't have to tariff everything at a single flat rate.
Typically congress apply tariffs in a very targeted way. For example there was tariffs against non US steel even before all this trade war stuff. There was also tariffs on foreign vehicles. Under Obama there was tariffs on Canadian made vehicles where the cars had to be 50% made in the US to be exempt. Trump raised it to 75% during his first term. These are targeted tariffs on specific industries
This across the board style is kinda....retarded. You will target stuff like Coffee which you can't grow in the US. Not even in your dreams. This won't bring a single job back to America. It's just a flat tax on American coffee drinkers.
Even stuff the US Grows like tomatoes, cucumbers, watermelon, etc etc. People forget these items are seasonal. Tomatoes are largely from Mexico during winter. Watermelons comes from Guatemala during off season. It's not like you can increase production during the summer and create more jobs to offer the winter season. No, you're just going to be importing for 25% more or whatever the magic number is.
These are just the pitfalls of the tariffs. I'm not saying no tariffs should be applied. US manufacturing can definitely use some protection but tariffs on farmed goods just doesn't make sense in the short term or the long term.
People need to be able to put down partisanship and be able to criticize their own party.
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u/rooftrooper 22h ago
I'm not educated in economics, so my question is genuine: how globalization negatively affects housing, food and utilities prices? Shouldn't the global market offer higher competition for producers and lower prices for end customers? I am under the impression that these "Tariffs" are just a weapon in economic war and not intended to improve common people's lives
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u/1730sRifleman 20h ago
We aren't trying to create the "lowest prices" possible. We are trying to create a more self sufficient nation that does not need the slave labor of other countries to support us.
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u/Electrical-Bid-8145 18h ago
Stop pretending you care about slave labour in other countries.
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u/1730sRifleman 15h ago
Yes, I'm sure you can divine my real state of mind, somehow being the complete antithesis of my statements, from a series of comments.
You can pick up your reddit Phd from the local printshop on the way home.
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u/Electrical-Bid-8145 14h ago
You are correct, I cannot read your mind.
However I think it's a pretty educated guess on my part, seeing as most people did not care about slave labour before and here you are bringing it up in defense of Trump tariffs. I think that's enough clues for me to deduce you didn't actively care about ending slave labour before and you only bring it up now because you feel it necessary, for one reason or another, to justify this policy.
But I guess you can always indulge me in listing what you were doing before Trump took office to combat this issue.
Where you ethically sourcing your clothes? Where you steering clear of any electronics that only function due to components not mined by children? Did you avoid all the big chocolate brands? Do you even know how many products would even fall under that category?
Alternatively; what are your thoughts on Trump sending people without due process to a prison where they are forced into labour?
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u/rooftrooper 20h ago
Well, slave labor is absolutely another topic. I only had a basic economic course in university, but "self sufficient" nation is isolated nation, and you can check USSR history to see how it ends (in shambles). I sincerely can't see anything negative in globalisation
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u/Fit_Fisherman_9840 $2 Steak Eater 20h ago
The problem remain, money already flow in the US, simply its all setup so the money ends in the top, not the bottom of the country. Trickle down economy don't work, you need to change that or it will not change anything.
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u/One_Unit9579 19h ago
Pretty much none of it, but people are dumb.
Food: we import a good amount of food, but also export food. It might require shifting things around a bit, but American can feed itself.
Utilities: almost 100% domestic. Sure, the power company might import some random part for something once in awhile, but most of the cost there is the employees, which is not an expense that will change due to tariffs.
Housing: biggest costs are labor and land (location, location, location!), which are not affected by tariffs in any way. Some materials may be imported, but the bulk can and will be produced in America. For example we have capacity to fulfill about 95% of our lumber needs - we don't, because we import lumber, but the capability is there and will certainly be utilized if needed. Maybe some random doorknobs and screws will increase in cost due to tariffs, but we are talking about 2% of the total construction cost increasing by 30% or so, makes for a pretty much insignificant overall impact. Houses are not sold at cost anyway, developers pad the price tremendously to make a profit and allow for random issues, so I don't see tariffs having any true effect. At worst, you will get some developers who think it's a good strategy to try to sell houses above market rate and blame it on the tariffs, but any buyer who shops the market would easily avoid these.
As I see it, tariffs will hit mostly on the luxury semi-annual purchases like a new computer, new game console, new big screen TV, etc. When you average out the cost over the lifespan of the item being bought, you find that you might be paying dollar or two a day for the tariffs.
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u/Fearless-Director-24 23h ago
$1200 for a phone…. Cheap?
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u/Kaizen420 22h ago
The person who put it together in a factory made 2 dollars that day.
If it was made in the US the worker would have been paid 58 and that's if they were working at the lowest wage legally allowed.
Companies aren't going to take a loss in profit so you can be sure that any increase in the cost of production will be passed on to the consumer, hell they don't even need a increase in cost to justify raising their prices.
They will just say 'inflation yo' and the price for the next model will cost a couple hundred dollars more.
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u/Sregor_Nevets 22h ago
There isn’t an open roof to prices. Apple will likely have shoulder some of the cost if the consumers drop off at higher price points.
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u/Vahyruhl 21h ago
The phones also won’t have to travel across land and sea to get here. How much does the exporting and importing cost when these goods are getting on an off multiple barges to get here?
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u/adialterego 20h ago
Shipping matter little. A standard container can hold up to about 40k iPhones, and can cost between $2.5k to $4k to ship. Even if these numbers are off by 100% you can see how little it matters.
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u/Kenneth_Pickett 18h ago
Thats the price to ship an empty container lol
Prices are around $5/kg. A container of iPhones would be $75k port to port. Not including customs, domestic freight, dock/loading fees etc.
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u/KiSUAN 12h ago
You have no idea wtf you are talking about, container cost by size, no weight, a 40f from china to us costs around 3K and customs, terminal and so on are less than 500 bucks, most costly thing about a container of iphones would be the insurance that would probably be 0.2-0.3% of value.
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u/Kenneth_Pickett 3h ago
How many containers have you shipped? Ive shipped pallets for more than $3k.
$500 customs fee for 40,000 iphones? LMAO yall are so stupid. Google made the average moron think he’s a champ.
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u/Fit-Personality-3933 20h ago
Practically nothing. Container ships are so massive that the cost of transport for small goods is minimal.
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u/One_Unit9579 19h ago
Companies aren't going to take a loss in profit
you are working under the assumption that companies can raise prices with no consequence.
If that was true, that means they are currently operating under a loss of profit compared to the potential profit they could be getting.
That might be the case in a few places, but most companies put a lot of effort into pricing at the optimal level to make the most total profit, based on profit per sale and number of sales. Simply raising the price to absorb tariff costs WILL result in fewer sales, and may result in a larger drop in profit compared to simple eating the tariff costs - you and I do not know the full story.
I suspect it will most likely be something in-between, prices will rise but not as much as the tariff would indicate, because companies will try hard to remain competitive and some will trade a little profit to look better than the rest.
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u/Yousaidthat 15h ago
Price gouging occurred during the pandemic and there was no oversight - it will happen again with tariffs taking the blame this time.
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u/lastoflast67 20h ago
As it is now with the advancements in smart phones the avg person not only does not need a high end phone, they likely don't even need a phone from this year or the previous year, and they could easily go 5 years before replacing it.
Phones are massively overconsumed because of cheap east Asian labour and its not a bad thing if that goes away. On that note its wild that to oppose trump you people are arguing that you should be allowed to exploit sweatshops for cheaper devices you don't need.
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u/krileon 23h ago
Have you forgot history? or just never learned it? The great depression lasted 10 years. The long depression (a recession) lasted 5 years. A LOT of people suffered immensely during those periods. Not "no iphones!" suffer, but "no food, no healthcare, no home, no job" suffered. You think putting tariffs on essential goods like ores, metals, and food is good for us? You're trolling right? Please say you are.
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u/PhantomSpirit90 23h ago
Bots and shills are gonna be working overtime the next few months trying to tell us how these tariffs are 5D chess and the tanking economy is good for us, actually.
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u/celestial-milk-tea 15h ago
It seems one of those bots and shills is Asmongold himself.
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u/turinglurker 12h ago
it pisses me off so much when multi millionaires tell the average citizen they should just put up with these tariffs while their retirment savings get wiped out, mass layoffs happen, and the cost of goods including food, cars, electronics, skyrockets.
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u/cylonfrakbbq 20h ago
The great depression also only fully ended because of the US getting pulled into WW2 and emerging from the war unscathed from a geographical perspective.
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u/k3v120 23h ago
Great Depression also further radicalized the German lower-middle class as they latched onto Fascism as their great white hope while they struggled for everyday necessities. Smoot-Hawley tariffs only deepened the cuts.
Not only are we fucking over your average everyday American, but we’re actively creating enemies and sowing discord globally.
Seems like once every 80-100 years retards need to find out the hard way by living through blanket tariffs personally. There’s a reason this shit is attempted once every century - because anyone alive for the stabilization wasn’t outright ignorant enough to ever repeat the same grievous errors.
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u/douchelag 22h ago
A lot of people are already living on the brink of that though. I feel like people don’t understand how poorly some people are doing.
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u/krileon 22h ago
Living paycheck to paycheck isn't living "maybe I'll get to eat this week". You have no idea how bad things can really be.
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u/douchelag 22h ago
Well considering that I know some homeless people, and people who have had drug addiction in the past, I think I have a pretty good idea actually. But it’s good that you can read minds, that’s impressive that you have that trait. I was unaware random dipshits on Reddit had that ability.
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u/krileon 22h ago
Your anecdotal evidence of knowing a few homeless people, that presumable with your own admission are drug addicts, doesn't mean shit dude. You seam happy to add to those numbers though so go on you be happy about about tariffs some more.
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u/Catslevania 20h ago
depends on what the details of the tariffs are. Tariffs are usually differentiated based on the type of goods being imported; high tariff are usually reserved for end products, not raw or intermediate goods.
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u/krileon 20h ago
These are blanket tariffs in addition to targeted tariffs. That's why they're such a terrible idea.
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u/CarolusRex667 Dr Pepper Enjoyer 22h ago
Not at all an even comparison. We are in a much better state currently than in 1929.
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u/Routine_Version_926 23h ago
The issue is that your kids will not have either.
With inflation going up, and dollar going down the future looks bleak. There is a good chance most people will lose their job, houses, and will live on some sort of "basic" assistance like in Expanse universe.
US has like 4% unemployment right now? That is very close to full employment. Any company that would like to move its business to US will have to build facilities (increasingly expensive due to construction costs spiraling), logistic infrastructure (again huge investment). Aaaand then they will either employ full automation, which means other companies adopt it as well to compete and people will get lay off (again huge investment), or they will have to lure in workers from other segments, with huge salaries and bonuses.
Some companies made bold claims to appease Trump, but they will not do it. It is not in their interest.
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u/Gaap321 21h ago
Oh come on give it a rest. Not a single respected economist has given any approval of the shit trumps doing. The tariffs are retarded and that the way trump implemented them are even more retarded
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u/cylonfrakbbq 20h ago
Imagine if Congress actually grew a pair of balls and actually did what the founding fathers actually intended them to do, which is acting as a counter balance to the executive branch, rather than a bunch of yesmen?
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u/Crimsonstorm02 23h ago
Well the Great Depression was only short term pain, right?
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u/Oofric_Stormcloak 19h ago
Short term pain (Republican president) long term gain (4 terms of a Democrat)
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u/Zashua 16h ago
It's amazing and like clock work. GOP POTUS destroys the economy, Democrat POTUS fixes it. Always. Been like this for like 100 years lol.
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u/MrPinkleston 22h ago
Technically, yea it was. But isn't really comparable now is it? It's outrageous to compare the state of our economy and job market RN to that of the great depression, pretty disrespectful to the people who lived through it to minimize the depths of their struggles as well as melodramatic and attention seeking on your part to claim we are experiencing the same rn.
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u/DemonicBhemoth 22h ago
So tired of Great Depression talk, when the economy isn't remotely the same as it was then, btw the market crashed in 1929 before tariffs were enacted which caused a snowball effect and this was all during the Gold Standard which didn't allow for the flexibility the current monetary policies offer.
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u/widowkiller 20h ago
You goofballs don't seem to understand we are not saying there's a great depression now. We are saying we are friggin speed running toward a new one, one who will not be caused by the same forces as last time! Buckle up
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u/DemonicBhemoth 19h ago
and thats an idiotic take when the world isn't the same as it was then... The US GDP was 1 Trillion under a gold standard, 1929 stock market crash, bank runs, and then tariffs in 1930. The modern monetary policy is way more flexible it is highly unlikely anything like a depression occurs...
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u/West-Mango-1666wwka 14h ago
No amount of monetary policies is going to fix their relationships with countries and companies. Not only companies are thinking of moving business due to the idiotic tariffs this retarded administration put forward but then you have countries that are ending relationships with us. Germany already said they are thinking of taking their billions of dollars they have in us banks and many can follow along. So that means the shit the federal reserve does won’t mean shit. If US dollar isn’t the global currency then confidence in the fed is lost and without that they can’t prop up companies all around the country.
But keep on sucking your dad off
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u/realquidos 21h ago
This guy was exposed for being paid by Russia, and it shows.
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u/Oofric_Stormcloak 19h ago
The funniest thing is that the people who were being paid by Russia say they never changed their content. So Russia felt like they were so good at pushing Russian propaganda without their involvement that they felt guilty not paying them
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u/Little-kun 20h ago
Except iPhones are already overpriced, and WE ALL KNOW IF ALL OF THIS WAS HAPPENING UNDER A DEM PRESIDENT THIS WOULD NOT BE THE TALKING POINT. hypocrite fucks.
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u/ExtraLargePeePuddle 18h ago
Massive price increases are always a talking point.
A 10% price increase in a few days in something
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u/Metaphix1990 Dr Pepper Enjoyer 23h ago
lol you guys are gonna fuck around and get us President AOC I swear. Please understand that the ONLY reason you won in November is the normie every day non political people. If the economy goes tits up you lose them immediately.
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u/Satch1993 20h ago
This. When Smoot and Hawley put on their tariffs in the early 1930s, Republicans lost the House and the Senate for 60 years. When President William McKinley put on tariffs in 1890 they lost 50% of their seats in the next election. The tariff was not well received by Americans who suffered a steep increase in prices. In the 1890 election, Republicans lost their majority in the House with the number of seats they won reduced by nearly half, from 171 to 88. In the 1892 election Harrison was soundly defeated by Grover Cleveland, and the Senate, House, and Presidency were all under Democratic control.
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u/Variant_Shades 20h ago edited 20h ago
LOL. I cannot agree more with this. These folks are going to be speedrunning this country to an AOC presidency with this type of messaging.
Voters were pissed off about inflation and high prices. Every exit poll showed this was the number one issue that voters cared about. They took their anger out on Kamala Harris and the Biden administration, the party in power. And unless Trump and the Republicans fix the problem, the voters are going to take their anger out on them next. And it's not like the GOP can blame anyone else, because they control everything.
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u/Shot-Maximum- 18h ago
Yep, 2 most important reasons for voters during the election were "Economy" and "Inflation/Prices"
Now you have the GOP advocating of decades of austerity so little Jimmy might fulfil his dream of working in a shitty factory one day for minimum wage.
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u/8a6je6kl 16h ago
we are on a fast track to socialism that’s for fucking sure. thank you daddy trump!
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u/ApprehensiveCheck702 23h ago
I wouldn't be so sure if they don't drop the identity politics. Spite, grudges, and revenge can last a long time. I wouldn't doubt if trump tries to run a third term people willingly will vote for him to win a 3 times just as a middle finger lol.
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u/PhantomSpirit90 23h ago
Nah I agree with the other guy. When election time comes one of two things will have happened:
1) Trump’s tariffs paid off and things got better. People will vote for more Trump (republicans)
2) Trump’s tariffs failed miserably and everything went tits up. People will vote against Trump (democrats)
And it’s going to be based on feelings, not facts. On paper Biden actually had a stellar economy compared to the rest of the world, but nobody felt that way and thus Trump won. If people don’t feel like their lives got better, they’re voting against republicans. It’s really that simple.
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u/Routine_Version_926 23h ago
Depends, with 401k fucked, and everything getting more and more chaotic, and expensive, that might be much harder to swallow then some dude in women skirt dancing in the street.
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u/Snekonomics 22h ago
Idpol is annoying, but Trump won because of the economy more than any other issue.
It is a massive right wing cope to assume Americans are gonna get behind an administration screwing them to create manufacturing jobs that almost no one actually wants and are primarily done by capital today anyway. This is woke if woke was also screwing my ability to buy groceries.
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u/ExtraLargePeePuddle 18h ago
don't drop the identity politics. Spite, grudges, and revenge can last a long time
Only the rich care about those things and the morons who only listen to the opinions of rich.
Everyday Americans care about grass prices, grocery prices and the cost of all the other things they want
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u/Shot-Maximum- 18h ago
You do understand that the GOP and Trump are fully running on identity politics like "blue collar workers", "Christians", etc.
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u/ApprehensiveCheck702 17h ago
You do understand in other thread I also said both parties fighting imaginary battles no one actually cares about instead of solving real world problems.
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u/hendrix320 21h ago
When i’m gone? How long is this process of “short period of pain” suppose to take i’m only 32
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u/XopZopClopPlop 21h ago
Such intellectual dishonesty. If you had asked this guy a week ago he'd have said Trump is gonna create the best economy the country has ever seen. He's a cunt and y'all are the cuntspittle.
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u/Open_Face6290 22h ago
Only the rich will be prosperous. OP believes in trickle down economics LMAO
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u/Whiskeyjck1337 21h ago
People are not worried about IPhone. They are worried about being to feed their kid and provide a roof for them. To be able to afford electricity and school's supplies for them to gave a future.
All this so Trump feel like a big man and billionaires get a few more billions in their bank accounts.
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u/Normans_Boy 18h ago
We don’t need iPhones. We did just fine being addicted to AOL instant messenger instead.
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u/SnapCrackleCock 18h ago
MySpace taught me HTML
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u/Furrystonetoss 16h ago
for fucks sake put a nsfw tag on this, i know leftist are horrifying, but we didn't meant LITERALLY
geez mate this shit is terrifying.1
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u/Capn_Chryssalid 23h ago
The iphones aren't the issue. That's luxury good shit.
The mutual funds and 401Ks are the issue.
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u/anusfarter 9h ago
also food. America for a long ass time had extremely cheap food as a percentage of monthly income relative to other countries. Covid changed all that and people have been shitting themselves for the past 4 years because of it. if food prices spike again, it's gonna be bad. the magas will blame DEI or come up with some retarded conspiracy theory to explain it, but regular sane people will know who is responsible.
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u/MrPinkleston 22h ago
They've been fucked though. Every president but Biden has had to do something to prop it up from collapsing and never fixed the problem just passed the buck. Not saying trumps solution will work in the long run, no one knows it's all just bias painted responses for the most part, but facts remain shits been cooked.
Also, every generations 401k has been getting worse and worse as a prospect and less and less people have gotten one with each generation, this goes along with equity too. Gen z don't really care about this unless ideologically charged because they had no hope for this shit to begin with, with the job market being ass and equity being hopeless as well as the idea of owning property where in 30-40 years its gone up by over 100%. Point is, they knew they were cooked either way, playing field is just getting leveled in their view.
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u/Suuperdad 21h ago
Mutual funds and 401ks affect infinitely less people than wages (esp minimum wage), lower taxes for the working class, cost of living and affordability of housing.
Orange man and his team have ruthlessly voted against raising the minimum wage, have voted against regulations to corporations owning real estate, have voted to lower taxes to billionaires and raise them in working families, and now are installing tarrifs to make literally everything you need cost more.
The stock market doing well is good and all (and it's also not), but how the right convinced low income people that they are the party of the working man is absolutely astonishing.
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u/SanMasterpro 21h ago
I don't see why people worry so much. It's only going to be for a short time for most people. It only takes ~30 days to starve
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u/archangel5198 14h ago
My phone is 6 gens behind. I can certainly trade that for the future of my country
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u/Saxmund_Heath 1d ago
Willing to what…work in a sweatshop for $2 an hour?
How much was Benny Johnson paid by Tenet again?
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u/SethAndBeans A Turtle Made It to the Water! 21h ago
Willing to pay an extra 3% in taxes for universal healthcare for your children, or is it all performative?
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u/Melonpistol 19h ago
>Be republican
> Willing to crash the economy to absolutely no ones benefit
>Not willing to pay a tiny tax that would save millions of lives2
u/SubjectAssociate9537 16h ago
and worth noting that universal healthcare would lower the average expenditure in healthcare costs even with an increase in taxes
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u/DEMOCRACY_FOR_ALL 8h ago
'member in COVID they went around saying that Grandma had to die so the stock market wouldn't be impacted
Welp, Grandma did die bc these shitheads didn't get vaccinated AND they're tanking the stock market anyway, too.
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u/Burrarabbit 22h ago
So funny how quickly MAGA adopted "You will own nothing and be happy" for their own talking points lmao
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u/Shot-Maximum- 18h ago
It's literal cult shit
I honestly recommend them reading 1984, it describes quite well how quickly these ideologies adopt to the new talking point.
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u/International-Dot318 17h ago
I hope low iq politic andies like you leave asmon's audience so we can finally go back to fun content. After all, he only needs to say 1 positive thing about the other party for you blind zealots to completely turn your back on him.
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u/Pure-Ad2955 22h ago
We don't need to trade cheap phones because Apple has over 90% profit margin. They could make the phones in America, keep them the same price, and still have an 80% profit margin.
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u/danfmac 21h ago
You think it would only cost double to make it in America?
They pay their workers like a 3 dollars an hour. In America they would need to pay them at least 15 to 20 and health insurance. Land costs more in America, and utilities and maintenance and basically everything else. It would cost like 10 times as much and they would need to spend millions and millions of dollars to even build a factory.
Tariffs will probably not even last Trump’s full term. Once priced go up 20 to 30 percent and people are being laid off because exports are down Republicans will see the light and enough will turn on Tariffs to end them, if Trump doesn’t do it himself when his approval rating is in the 20 or 30s.
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u/ExtraLargePeePuddle 18h ago
You’re also forgetting a lack of economies of scale.
The more you produce the lower the cost but this america first factory would only make phones for the US market
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u/Xarnern 7h ago
Then do it
stop buying from apple, set on fire all their products YOU OWN (not other people things) and start spreading the message that you won't buy anything from them untill their products are made in USA
why must you wait for Trump to tarrif other countries when you yourself can be part of the solution yesterday
I see a lot of people complaining about the Tarrifs while others supporting them because they will bring the companies (not jobs necessary since automation is a thing) back to USA
but the Truth is you the Consumer had always the power to change that but you never did, you never needed Trump to do that for you only some self controll and restrain.
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u/Admirable-Buy-4337 23h ago
No! I'm not willing to have children just for them to work in a coal mine.
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u/Sensitive_Sun127 21h ago
"you will own nothing and be happy" - The republican party all along, apparently.
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u/Sensitive_Sun127 21h ago
lmao at the coward who replied to this and then blocked
go live in ur pod bud and eat your bugs, give up all your earthly desires for the sake of the kids you'll never have
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u/Shot-Maximum- 18h ago
They are speedrunning Maoist Marxism right now, it is kind of hilarious the hoops they jump through to defend dear leader.
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u/PotentialWhich 19h ago
I’ll pay $20 for a dozen eggs if he gets rid of every illegal invader and I can get my clean safe community back.
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u/Connect_Hospital_270 19h ago edited 19h ago
We are addicted to cheap Chinese goods and labor all around.
I doubt people are willing to take short-term pain for long term gain. (Real or perceived). It's how Boomers got us in this mess, but the younger generations know nothing different. Many don't even know what this country was even 30 years ago, only that something isn't right.
I still think for all their natural revolutionary spirit they think they have. They aren't giving up their literal or metaphorical iPhone.
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u/SnapCrackleCock 19h ago
True. Revolutionaries until they are asked to sacrifice, protestors until there’s a light drizzle.
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u/ExtraLargePeePuddle 18h ago
Many don't even know what this country was even 30 years ago,
In the mid nineties when we were buying cheap stuff from japan and Korea?
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u/Connect_Hospital_270 18h ago
Yup and it's only gotten worse. This didn't happen overnight, it has trickled in over a period of time, but, yes. The 90's was still better at the time, we weren't totally consumed, only mostly.
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u/ExtraLargePeePuddle 17h ago
So even though we’re richer now than in the 90s and our economy is even more diverse and advanced for some reason we need to try a massive trade war against the entire world even though you’re saying the problem is affordable products from China?
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u/boeglund 17h ago
Just a reminder, this guy took milions from Russia, for making pro Russia talking points
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u/CatGoblinMode 17h ago
Benny Johnson is probably one of the biggest morons on the internet, and that's saying something.
Classic multi millionaire talking about how he's willing to make a sacrifice that he'll never have to make, but his fans will.
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u/americanrealism 15h ago
Damn I miss when Asmon and this community was about video games. Now it's all culture war BS 100% of the time. This is exhausting and it's weird that everyone leans into this so hard now.
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u/Papastoo 18h ago
Yeah lets listen to the guy who literally took dark money from Russia on how the economy tanking is actually good
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u/Nepalus 17h ago
It's not going to be just the iPhones, everything is going to be more expensive.
There's no actual line of sight to how we actually guarantee that things are "better" tomorrow because of sacrifices made today. These people online are literally just copying very broad generalizations about how sacrifices can have payoffs without actually detailing how we get to the payoff.
They are trying to influence you to believe that the suffering will be short (it won't) and even if its not that there will be some kind of reward at the end of the tunnel (but they can't articulate when that reward will come, what that reward will be, etc).
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u/Unfair-Information-2 14h ago
Nah bitch politicians killed the middle class. We need that cheap overseas labor.
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u/AdministrativeAct902 23h ago
As a parent, absolutely. As a realist? The declining birth rates tell me millions won’t care, as when they’re gone, no one will come after.
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u/konsoru-paysan 22h ago
Even expensive iPhone have the same problems (overheating, laggy blah blah), idk wtf they are doing anymore, apple used to be reliable and now it's not.
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u/Naus1987 22h ago
Jokes on everyone. My iPhone can last me 10 more years, lol.
Tech peaking has its advantages!
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u/Longjumping_Visit718 “So what you’re saying is…” 22h ago
"Cheap".
IPhone.
Pick one.
Much more likely that Apple sells them at the same price but accepts a dramatically lower margin since it was always a grift!🤣
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u/DefinitelyNotKuro 22h ago
I don't have children, so the question is more like whether or not I would sacrifice "cheap" anything for the future of...someone else and the answer is nah. For my own children, hypothetically, the answer is yes.
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u/nethstar 22h ago
"I will gladly give up my cheap iPhone"
[Buys cheaper Android]
"It's a sacrifice I'm willing to take"
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u/johnsongrantr 22h ago
Sure, shoot yourself in the dick. My popcorn is ready. But you better own it. None of this “you see what god just did to us man!?”
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u/KittenDecomposer96 21h ago
No, he wouldn't if it would affect him but it doesn't so it must feel good to say that.
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u/GForce1975 21h ago
Nope. Not willing. I'll sacrifice my iPhone when the ultra rich sacrifice.... anything.
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u/Conscious-Feeling328 18h ago
You guys not it only take $30 to make an iphone. And then they charge us around $1000 for it. Yeah. I chose jobs over company greed any day.
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u/Chemical_Coach1437 18h ago
I am constantly flabbergasted by the willingness of people to accept literal slave labor in lieu of cheap goods.
It's like easy and far removed, but the sheer amount of hoops people will jump through for frivolous trivialities like drama and for comfort, you'd think they'd at least a little hardship so some brown kid somewhere isn't being beaten for not meeting his quota.
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u/Breadsammiches 15h ago
Nah, iphones saved my life during tornadoes, for one main reason, they NEVER stop supporting their phones. Android on the other hand, stopped supporting my phone the day of a tornado when I needed it most, like exactly right after it hit.
That next gingerbread or cupcake update would have significantly increased my phone’s battery life
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u/GrueneWiese 15h ago
Okay, and what about industrial machinery, raw materials, rare earths, optical and medical devices, food and much more? Oh, that's right, without them the country will probably not propserous.
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u/Gurdmungus 15h ago edited 13h ago
What stability? They will be paying for their parents retirement. Also isn't daily wire in the midst of bankruptcy after that russian oligarch funding scandal?
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u/Iwubinvesting There it is dood! 8h ago
So inflation wasn't a big deal then was it? An economic collapse is going to be glorious to see for Americans. Nobody deserves it more.
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u/Immediate-Machine-18 8h ago
As i said at the start of trump presidency, Wannabe tough guys make times hard.
Normal people that have been through hardship try to avoid it. Bunch of surbananite kids living with their parents about to fafo.
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u/Simmumah 23h ago edited 23h ago
Ok, there's alot wrong here. What Trump is doing is almost assuredly going to lead us to a recession. I voted for him. I support most of his policies, this is not one. All he is going to do is get Democrats to slab Republicans off the political map in 2026 and 2028, who will then reverse Trump's policies resulting in a net negative for America. His plan takes YEARS of working together, we dont do that in today's America. You have 2, maybe 4 years of power to do what you will.
One thing you don't do, you don't fuck with people's retirement overnight and say oh it will come back in 5-10 years. Some people rely on that money now, or next year.
I understand what Trump's vision is, but he's not being smart about it.
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u/Hellbringer123 21h ago
Trump literally have been saying he is going to put tariff before election. . . are you retarded? if you voted for him then you should be ready for this. you're the one being not smart and misleaded.
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u/Simmumah 21h ago
He said he would do it but never gave numbers. The reason I voted for Trump is the border and immigration and I'm pleased with what he's done on that end.
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u/Shot-Maximum- 17h ago
But he did though
Harris Tax Plan vs. Trump Tax Plan | Election 2024
- Impose a universal baseline tariff on all US imports of 10 percent to 20 percent.
- Impose a 60 percent tariff on all US imports from China.
- Consider replacing personal income taxes with increased tariffs.
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u/Vahyruhl 22h ago
Of course I’m willing. I love my kids, more than life itself. And realizing that I had them when our country is in such a bad state will leave me sick to my stomach some days when I’m thinking heavy. If this truly means a better America for the future, then sure. I will bite down and hold. I will do whatever that is needed to make it through.
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u/Final-Engineering-88 22h ago
I had to wait until I was 11 to get a phone and it was a Nokia c3-00, I had to wait until I was 16 to get my first iphone, I never complained...
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u/Skunkape666 19h ago
More cope from you scabbing and pulsating invertebrates. Keep posting your cope.
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u/wetiphenax 19h ago
Just lol. So lame. Magats will get nothing but a depression. Republicans couldn’t lead their way out of a paper bag. Good job “ owning the libs.” You have no allies in the world. Utter failures.
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u/Shot-Maximum- 18h ago
Benny Johnson who is such a philanthrope, who without hesitation took Kremlin money to spread bullshit and pro Russia propaganda for millions of dollars.
I don't see him working in a factory for $15/h making widgets.
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u/Ok-Transition7065 17h ago
........ yeah if that its the only problem there
can some one stop the chetos man, please
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u/RealisticSolution757 16h ago
Guy literally concedes no American will see a benefit in his lifetime (remaining what, 50 years?) but sure dude, trust the plan. It'll pay off when you're dead for sure!
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u/Bondguy_25 16h ago
We have a stable country since WW2. Globale market and us being the consumer made us strong, our allies made us strong.
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u/areetowsitganin 23h ago
Is there anyone talking about the situation in a non-shiteating way?