All planets are flat but they are all carefully oriented to only show the faces towards us. The religious folks say that the various gods did it, but those of us who have studied this scientifically know that the residents of each planet set up their cities in such a way that the planets are weighted optimally to align with the most important planet that is universally known as Earth.
Depends , if you're an ignorant that's the correct answer haha
If you have some brain you do some questions , like why that pseudoscientist talk like the sun is the same distance to both ?! In flat earth sun is up to 6000km from the earth and smaller than earth
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They have plenty of brains. Have you never seen some of the very clever explanations they've come up with to explain various phenomena? Their brains fail only by never noticing that half the explanations contradict the other half.
I'd say it's bearable because you know you're watching idiots. I'd have been all kinds of irrationally angry if I'd been under the impression those knuckleheads weren't at least ignorant.
some of these people are decently educated. i think a lot of the time it boils down to emotional problems. a need to feel smarter than academic authorities. the fantasy of being a rogue who advances science by rejecting the establishment. couple that with a fundamental misunderstanding of the direction information flows in and how truth and facts are determined scientifically and you've got these guys.
Honestly I'm waiting for the flat earther show that is filmed like one of the Bigfoot shows on animal planet, just like ten dudes who all have unwavering faith, constantly proving themselves wrong with each experiment, gleefully in denial, with the same enthusiasm for the hunt for flat earth that the rednecks looking for Bigfoot have. It'd be infuriating by the second episode and lose all entertainment value because you know they're never gonna find their Bigfoot (flat earth)
I want a movie where the hero defeats the Russians or whatever thr bad guys are by using his knowledge of a flat earth. Everyone else thinks the earth is round and tries to go about capturing the flag as you would on a round earth, but this guy knows it's flat and does something based on that and wins and saves the day. Make him super cool too. Like Han Solo crossed with the MiB character that Will played back in his golden years, mixed with Tom Cruise in Top Gun.
Just do Hollywood bullshit to make the flat earth guy the hero and cool and hell and everything and see how many you can convert just with this stupid movie.
Just to make the world even stupider. Just to see if you can.
What's funny is that you rightfully call flat Earthers idiots and boastfully call them out but probably fully believe a man can change his gender and become a woman,
Or is it because one is socially acceptable and one isn't?
Wow, that has got to be one of the stretchiest stretches I've ever seen to jam some transphobia into a conversation...
I'm actually impressed
If you're inclined to alleviate your ignorance on the matter, I'd start by looking at how relatively recent the "rigid gender binary" was adopted, and the absolute mountains of historical accounts of gender dynamics beyond "there's only men and women."
You can call it a stretch all you want but I'm just calling out bullshit that's acceptable and bullshit that's not,
Also I don't care if the accounts are recent or 100s of years ago the idea that a man can become a woman and vice versa is as wrong as ANY flat Earth theory
Except it's not, and there's very recent studies in the matter that support those historic accounts. Gender is very much more dynamic than the "common accepted binary," unlike flat earth claims, that constantly fall apart even under the most gentle scrutiny.
My question from here would be, are we aiming towards a genuine discussion, or are you just going to dig your heels in and say "nuh uh!" to everything?
Sure , but after watching clips of idiots doing idiot things every day of social media , it can have a negative effect on viewer. I just try to watch more positive things when I can.
They aren't idiots though, and this is the problem. Lots of flat earthers, creationists, climate science deniers, antivaxxers etc are actually smart, and they know it. EG the mathematics used by lots of flat earthers is utterly impenetrable to most of us. They know they are smart, which means when people write them off as idiots they are able to take the higher ground because their arguments haven't been addressed. They just can't seem to understand how ignorant they are. There's some really fascinating psychology going on in these people.
This is not what I've seen at all. I've seen flat earthers struggle with something like converting meters to kilometers, not knowing the angles between the sides of an equilateral triangle, failing to utilize the simplest equation of physics. The almost totality of them are either grifters that know they are lying or extremely lacking in intelligence. I've seen very very few people that were actually smart that genuinely believed in flat earth.
I'm in a lotto syndicate. One day I looked at the whiteboard to check our numbers vs the numbers that came out. I nearly exploded and was about to yell "WE WON" when I realised I was looking at the numbers for our entry. I kept my mouth shut, drank my coffee, then went back to work like nothing happened. I didn't feel any need to double down on my stupidity and try to prove they were the winning numbers.
The thing is that they always invent new stuff to explain why the proof that the earth is round is not enough.
Like in this case, I know what their counter argument is: the sun is supposedly very close to earth (like idiotically close, and also idiotically small), so it casts different shadows at different places on earth. That being said I don't know what their counter argument is against our measures of the sun-earth distance, which invalidates their close sun argument.
What do you mean what happened? You don't think there's a lot of people that point and laugh at flat earthers? It's probably one of the most mocked beliefs.
Rejecting them immediately without reason will only grow the resolve that they are actually right. Though pressuring them too much will also has the same outcome on the other extreme.
will only grow the resolve that they are actually right.
But I don't care. And so shouldn't you. You're giving them the only thing they crave: attention.
Videos like that one above are not made for flatearthers but people curious how world really works. Whatever flatearthers think about it, is none of our concern.
Until you consider that those same people vote, some of them sit on education boards, and a few hold influential positions of power that reach other people. This lack of critical thinking skills isn't a consequence-free mindset
And so what? Do these kind of videos make them consider and change their mind or only get them more heated and fuel their conspiracy midnset, that everyone is against them?
The time you spend pathetically pleading with idiots to stop being idiots would be exponentially better spent doing literally anything else to further your cause.
because the recent and massive rise in this type of stuff tells us a lot about how misinformation can spread these days.
in the 90s, if you believed the earth was flat, you probably didn't have shoes.
today it's a whole movement.
maybe tomorrow it'll be a university course if we're not careful.
It all went downhill when we stopped calling people morons and re*ards because it made them sad
To be clear, I would never call anyone with any form of mental retardation that. Just the people who are fucking idiots
Unless people receive immediate negative reactions to behaviour and ideas that are contrary to human civilisation, they will only become more entrenched in their stupidity. Add that to the overwhelming available of echo chambers, and you begin to get swaths of the human race trying to beat each other to the bottom.
It's because we're answering a question they're not interested in. To them, it isn't about the shape of the earth, it's about the evil deceivers who are keeping us from the truth of god's glory.
The absurdity of their conclusion is so distracting that we sane people rarely ask "who's behind this lie, and why?" Spoiler Alert: It's the christ-killing jews.
It's stops being cute real quick once you scratch below the surface. Even those clean-cut flat earthers from the netflix doc are on record being very antisemitic about the root of their beliefs (Andrew from All Gas No Brakes/Channel 5 is one of the few journalists who let them talk long enough to go full mask-off, I suggest checking it out).
Flat Earth Astronauts. Make it a documentary/show whatever. We've sent men to space before..monkeys, dogs..but what about an idiot? Okay, my bad. An ignorant.
Very intelligent people can believe in very stupid things. I'm sure we can all relate to being embarrassingly ignorant about something at some point if we are being honest.
It would be interesting to see their reactions and maybe we can find out just why they held on to such beliefs for so long...maybe some still will. With reasoning that, most assuredly...
I also would like to see this, but unfortunately, they wouldn't believe it anyways, they would put it down to 'fishbowl windows' or fancy screens with cgi.
Even if you sent them out in a spacesuit, the helmet visor would be 'tampered with'.
The only way is to kick them out the space shuttle with no 'barrier' between their eyes and what they see, obviously no one would survive to pass on what they saw so ultimately would do nothing to persuade other flat earthers.
Maybe..even so! That would be a great watch, I think. You know what I've noticed? People will often find out they are wrong and still maintain/defend their stance when in public or if a debate got particularly heated/embarrassment sets in. I'm sure being filmed could enhance that. You ever have a back and forth with someone and suddenly just go "yo you know what? Actually you're right" it throws people off like it's super rare >_>
Maybe they'd come to terms with it with some time off cam, and the conversation could be revisited. Maybe flat earthers at home, watching all alone would be more inclined to adjust their views. Hell maybe it keeps some from ever becoming a FE.
I think the biggest challenge would be finding one of them that would actually go all the way with it. The foundation of their beliefs comes from a mistrust of NASA, the government etc so you would have a hard time getting them to trust them to put them in a rocket. They would probably expect that they'd stage an accident that kills them so they don't uncover the truth.
obviously no one would survive to pass on what they saw
Actually not true. Astronaut suits are bulky and heavy because they are meant to allow for regular spacewalks with minimal health risks to the user.
If you just want to show someone how the earth looks from space without anything "tempering" with their perception you only need to protect their eyes and any bodyopenings from direct exposure to vacuum. So technically a latex gimp suit, a high quality diving mask and breathing mask would work for a few minutes of exposure. It of course wouldn't be very healthy but also not deadly.
The "instant freeze to death" modern media likes to associate with exposure to space isn't the most likely way to die as space isn't cold, it's terrible at transmitting heat, that's why the ISS needs those big radiators to get rid of the heat of the inhabitants and their equipment.
The most likely cause of death cause by sudden exposure to vacuum is the normal pressure air in your lungs "rushing out" in an attempt to fill the low pressure environment around you, shredding your lungs in the process and killing you with internal bleeding.
How I know this? Charles Stross mentioned it in one of the first books of his Laundry Files series and I couldn't believe it so I looked it up.
Did you ever go on that ride which was a rocket and they played video of going into space then onto another planet etc? As a kid I thought we had been to space. They will just say they switched the windows over to monitors and played video. You'd have to get them to do a space walk to overcome that, then they'd probably say they were drugged or something when they were floating around outside the ISS.
Well, this will for sure prevent their reproduction and that's a plus for me. Fu.cki.ng id.io.ts in positions of power and influence is a problem for society in the long run.
I've thought of that before, but you know what, why let these idiots experience something that very few humans have ever gotten to experience? Why let them do it all because they are morons? I would kill to go up in space.
The counter argument is that if the sun were positioned in such a manner, it would never be able to dip below the horizon. It would never set. We can observe that it can be dark in Europe and light in North America simultaneously. In a flat earth, that would mean that the sun would still be overhead, but we can watch it cross the horizon and disappear. Not to mention that if the sun were very small and very close, the sun would change apparent soze due to distance as it travels across the sky in the same way that a car seems to get smaller the farther away it gets from us.
Yeah you are right that this in itself is not enough. That being said, there is a difference between saying that it's not enough, like you did, and saying that it proves that we are being lied to and that the Earth is flat, like flatearthers do.
Plus for Erathosthene, I'm pretty sure people at that time already had a very good idea of the earth being round, with the boats hulls disappearing first and other stuff like that. In reality, Erathostene was one step ahead of that, what he did is measuring the Earth circumference.
Never forget that flat earth theory is a modern day mental illness.
But how did they measure the shadow at two places at the same time. This is impossible to do with certainty without a telephone or Internet. By the time they got to the second obelisk the sun would be in a very different spot. It's illogical at best.
Yeah that's because the story is a bit shortened. What he actually notice is that in Syene, which is very close to the Tropic of cancer, around the 21st of June, there were no shadows around noon, whereas in Alexandria, at the same date, even when the shadows were at their shortest (so around noon) they where still there. That's how he did it, you don't need clocks or telecommunication, the sun is your clock.
Yeah, before the internet and cell phones, nobody could tell time. Let me tell you, 1983 was crazy. Wait, was it 1983? I have no internet, heeeelllllppppp.
Well..one of them tried to measure the temperature of the sun with a portable Infrared thermometer. You know point at the sun and measure the temperature. How will you counter that kind of ignorance?
The distance from earth to moon is wider than all planets in our solar system and it doesn't even matter what a planet is because of you get to Pluto it's way too small.
Quite simple if you look at the numbers but also quite difficult to grasp if you only rely on your eyes.
What some dude did some hundreds of years ago and was repeatedly done by other dudes who questioned it and got prove. But the simple answer is: no. I'll show you why and even if I fail that must be the truth.
yet they cant measure a local suns distance, what materials/chemicals its made of, or how to reach a supossed firmament - or what that ones distance is, or what its made of, or produce a sample of it.
At least we have numourous ways to measure a heliocentric sun and its effects on gravity.
FE's cant produce shit, outside bad experiments and hypotheses.
I think he meant that some flat earthers did an experiment and ended up proving the earth was round.
There is probably more than one experiment and I am sure in many of them they probably argued the results were wrong or the experiment was wrong. How dare experimentation prove that the Earth is round.
Can we just stop giving these people the time of day? They thrive on attention and they have no relevance in the modern world. I hear 100x more ABOUT flat earthers than FROM them. We don't need to bring them up every single time the shape of the earth is mentioned.
Motherfucker figured out the earth was round and the circumference over 2000 years ago… this motherfucker explaining that on tv 40 years ago… and a bunch of motherfuckers with pocket supercomputers connected to all of the information recorded in the last several hundred years their own research and saying the earth is flat.
That’s why I really enjoyed the Netflix special on flat earth. They had a zest for experiment all the way till the end with the lake experiment and $10k instrumentation equipment. It was the conclusion they came up with that was so devastatingly stupid unfortunately.
except no, on flat earth, the shadows would always have different lengths. I don't want to hate on him, but facts are - he's had a simple job and he's still fucked it up.
Sure, in very specific circumstances, but you wouldn't have no shadow + long shadow like that, or multiple other cases.
What model are you using that would have similar shadow results without violating observable reality? Sure, a close local sun could cause variable shadow lengths much like a light bulb on two broomsticks-
But there would be observable effects of a close and local sun, such as varying size of the observable sun throughout its travel path, easily-altered shadow length of objects by rapid relocation, etc.
So again, what model are you using that would accurately reflect our reality?
This video isn’t about flat earthers. Flat earthers aren’t really a thing outside of a circle jerk on Reddit that’s primary goal is to make the user feel smug and smart.
If the number of flat earthers that have managed to create novel methods to prove the earth is flat (but managed instead to prove it is curved) is any indicator, at least some flat earthers have the zest.
Bit if a flat earther believes that the sun is close to the earth and it was directly above stick one (no shadow) stick 2 would certainly have a shadow.
I'm still wondering how Erastothenes measured time, so as to know there were different shadows at different places at the same instant.
And another thing I'm wondering too: given that the earth is almost a sphere, the sun will appear to go faster from "east" to "west" in southern Ecuador than it will as far as northern Germany. This is true for any location in the earth that is close to the equator when compared to any other that is not; and, of course, implies that anything in the equator technically moves faster than anything close to the poles, because as the whole sphere turns at a certain speed, anything in the equator will cover more distance along the rotation of the sphere than anything close to the poles in the exact same amount of time. Proving this can be reduced to simple geometry that Erastothenes sure knew.
I'm wondering: didn't he noticed that the sun appeared to go from east to west faster in some places, and slower in others? Because if he did, he probably would've been able to deduce that, at the very least, the surface of the earth must not be flat for something like that to happen.
I'm thinking this because I sort of feel bad for that guy that walked 800km; measuring the speed of the sun when it goes from east to west wouldn't involve having someone walk 800km. Jesus, poor guy.
I'm still wondering how Erastothenes measured time, so as to know there were different shadows at different places at the same instant.
He just needed to know when it was noon in both places. You can just measure the shadows when they are the shortest, meaning the sun is at the highest in the sky.
It doesn't matter how fast the sun will set, as he only needed the noon sun measurements.
Before he measured the earth's size, he already knew it was not flat. This was not about proving it was round, but about measuring it.
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u/Abject_Film_4414 Nov 11 '23
It’s the zest that most flat earthers miss out on.