r/BeAmazed • u/Super_Steve117 • Feb 25 '25

Miscellaneous / Others Strength of a manual worker vs bodybuilders

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u/IcchibanTenkaichi Feb 25 '25

Functional muscle versus Show muscle.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

no such thing, how does this shit get upvoted. literal brainrot. Muscle corellates 80% with strength, the other factor being CNS adaption.

All that is demonstrated by the pic is the worker has better technique, and only the muscles required for moving 4 bags of cement are developed (back and forearms).

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u/Alldawaytoswiffty Feb 25 '25

lets be honest, anyone making these comments most likely don't lift or exercise. They like to act like these big muscles are just air

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u/im_in_the_safe Feb 26 '25

It’s always someone with the dorkiest looking custom designed avatar too lol. And usually most frequently posts in gaming or anime subs.

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u/DickFromRichard Feb 25 '25

Guy who does something for living is better at it than guy who doesn't is a really simple concept that gets lost on people whenever "guy who doesn't" has muscles

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u/Sandbox_Hero Feb 25 '25

This is false. All muscle is functional. But strength and balance are learned skills and very specific to the movement performed.

If these bodybuilders spent a a few weeks lifting bags of cement like this daily they would quickly catch up.

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u/Spiceman_01 Feb 25 '25

Functional muscle for this particular job and lift yes

The body builders would be way way stronger on a broader spectrum of strength tests.

This is one specialised lift

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u/ILikeLimericksALot Feb 25 '25

I suspect correct.

You get match fit for what you do and only what you do. 

Now get the labourer to bench the gym goer's max. 

I renovate houses and am functionally very strong for the things I do but I'm not really 'barbell' strong at all.

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u/HarshilBhattDaBomb Feb 25 '25

It's also practice and technique imo. Give the bodybuilders a couple of weeks and they'll do better than the labourers.

You'd also be better at the barbell than an average person once you practice more.

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u/Solanthas_SFW Feb 25 '25

Agreed, it's a completely different kind of strength because different muscle groups are being used

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u/cthulucore Feb 25 '25

This is just it. I'm a lifter, albeit strength focused, not bodybuilder focused. When I was working in a warehouse, after about 2 years my regular bag carry was 4 x 50# bags on my shoulder. Dozens of times a day for a hundred yards at a time.

I got really good at just heaving 200 lbs from the floor and rolling it on my shoulder.

Fast forward 5 years, and I'm stronger than I've ever been, but I won't push more than 100#. 150 for funsies once in a great while.

"Functional" strength, in this context is just very specialized strength, and it's very temporary.

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u/the_windfucker Feb 25 '25

Does this apply even for the above head lift of 1 bag at the end of the video? I don't see many cases where the worker would need that specific lift/motion, it is possibly even something closer to some gym excercies..

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u/aneditorinjersey Feb 25 '25

But the laborers probably move a lot of heavy things in a variety of motions. Would it be the bodybuilders who are doing only a handful of specific motions to train?

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u/PopeGucciSofaVI Feb 25 '25

As someone who did a lot of labour growing up and has been bodybuilding for 12 years since I was 16, the bodybuilder is 100% stronger overall, and the labourer has more efficient strength having trained muscles that would otherwise be neglected doing particular movements in the gym.

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u/Acceptable_Candy1538 Feb 25 '25

When I worked in construction, I would still weight train after work. You sort of have to if want to get well rounded strength.

Like how many times are you actually working your lats in construction?

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u/dismal_sighence Feb 25 '25

Body builders do a variety of lifts, with a variety of motion ranges, and generally higher range of motion leads to better muscle gains.

It's impossible to say what two random individuals are doing, but the most popular lifts are generally compound lifts that use a variety of muscle groups in large motion ranges (squats, deadlifts, rows, etc.)

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u/aneditorinjersey Feb 26 '25

Thanks for all the info! I don’t really know much about construction or bodybuilding.

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u/Modo44 Feb 25 '25

As long as the strength tests are spaced out in time, because bodybuilders have zero stamina.

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u/Stellewind Feb 25 '25

Yeah, body builder will like 30% stronger on broader spectrum, but he did it with 200% more muscle mass.

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u/mikeyfireman Feb 25 '25

But if you compare body builders to strongman competitors body composition is totally different. Those guys are way stronger in a functional capacity.

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u/SukottoHyu Feb 25 '25

You are missing the point, it is not about what they can or cannot lift. A bag of cement is about 25 kg, so 4 bags are 100 kg. He is half their size and can lift 100kg very easily, and can easily hold 25 kg above his head with one arm. They are way bigger than him so they should be able to lift anything he can lift. Pound for pound the worker is stronger, if they all weighed the same and had a score-based lifting competition, the worker would win.

When you lift weight you have to think about it in terms of how much it weights relative to your own bodyweight. If you weigh 160 lbs and can lift 230 lbs above your head, that means you can lift 143% of your own bodyweight. If someone who weighs 210 lbs can lift 294 lbs, while 294 lbs looks more impressive, it is only 140% of their bodyweight. You are therefore stronger because you are lifting more relative to your own bodyweight. If you both weigh the same, you will be able to lift 3% more than the other guy. To put that in perspective, if the other guy's max deadlift is 440 lbs, then you, being 3% stronger could deadlift an extra 15 lbs. That's very significant and it can take months of training at those weight levels just to add an extra 15 lbs.

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u/Acceptable_Candy1538 Feb 25 '25

But that’s not what they care about. Like, you’re right in powerlifting and wrestling.

In bodybuilding they are going for maximum raw lean mass and aesthetic. That’s it. There’s zero reason they would care about strength to weight ratios. And a heavy object doesn’t care about your strength to weight ratio either

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u/insecure_about_penis Feb 25 '25

There is no doubt that the bodybuilders could deadlift 100kg, that's quite "light" in terms of deadlifts. What they don't have here is the technique and grip strength to lift it - you can even see in the video how they're adapting by bending their arms to get more under it because otherwise their grip would slide off.

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u/LimpAd5888 Feb 25 '25

Yes and no, I think also proper lifting techniques are another thing here.

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u/Altruistic_Chemist12 Feb 25 '25

The funny thing about your comment is that body builders only train with weight on a bar. They are also only good at specialized lifts. In real life, things are bulky and uneven and awkward to lift heavy.

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u/BandzForDance Feb 25 '25

This comment is always in any thread about bodybuilders, made by someone that most likely neither has functional or show muscles.

I can guarantee you that to get this big you need to lift a shit ton of weight. Go look up videos of Ronnie Coleman working out and then come back here to tell me about his lack of functional muscle.

Exercises such as the barbell squat, bench press, shoulder press and deadlift (this one is probably not done as much by most bodybuilders) all translate to functional strength.

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u/Stranger188 Feb 25 '25

The drugs help too

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u/BandzForDance Feb 25 '25

You're telling me that Performance Enhancing Drugs, in fact, enhanced their performance? Wow thank you, I did not know this!

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u/Stranger188 Feb 25 '25

druggie coleman

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u/LimpAd5888 Feb 25 '25

While yes they may be strong, but to get that look it's more definition training and not all pure strength. Many of the strongest guys literally are built big with very little definition. Strongman competition is a good example. I'm not going against builders, it's hard work and dedication and they are definitely stronger than average, it's just it's not quite the same as building to be strong. This is coming from someone who used to do powerlifting. Both have their place and shouldn't be insulted, but there is a difference.

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u/anp1997 Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Hahahaha "definition training." Typical Reddit comment. There's no such thing as definition training.

Why do reddit nerds always have so much hate for bodybuilders.

This guy simply has better technique and longer arms, that's why he's able to lift the cement bags easier. I can guarantee those bodybuilders would lift it easier if they got the technique down

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u/LeAlthos Feb 25 '25

"wow, a bodybuilder cannot perform a task as well as a pro who's been doing it for decades, clearly this means that it's all inflated with hot air!"

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u/johnnybarbs92 Feb 25 '25

Definition comes primarily from cutting to a lean body mass.

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u/Teeshirtandshortsguy Feb 25 '25

What you're seeing is just fat mass.

Strongmen don't really have to cut weight for anything. Cutting weight reduces the amount of fat you hold, but it also reduces muscle size and strength.

For bodybuilding, it's a necessary tradeoff. For strongman, it isn't.

If elite strongmen decided to cut weight, they could look both huge and shredded.

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u/iWolfeeelol Feb 25 '25

Just look up eddie hall transformation if you don’t believe this guy. he literally won worlds strongest man years ago and did a body builder cut recently. he looks like a body builder after. crazy people think that lifting heavy weights all the time doesn’t make you strong outside of the gym lmao. sure, some niche lift like this might give you the wrong impression but if these body builders worked this man’s job they’d be doing the same shit he’s doing in like a month. you put this worker in the gym for a year and he’s not touching anything close to a body builder.

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u/Chrop Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

What is definition training?

Almost all strength training is the same, some just put on more weight than others in order to get stronger. Some focus on specific exercises other others.

But generally 90% of the time, strongmen are doing the same things bodybuilders are, they just put on more weight in order to put on more muscle and be stronger, compared to bodybuilders who want to stay around 8% - 20% bf.

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u/Slackslayer Feb 25 '25

definition training is sets of keeping the fridge door closed until failure

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u/smallpotatofarmer Feb 25 '25

Man who trains for very specific lift is very strong at specific lift.

Man who doesn't train for specific lift is not as strong as man who does.

The shadenfreude everytime something like this gets posted is crazy.

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u/thorpie88 Feb 25 '25

While true the guy struggling with three bags is still kinda surprising. I wouldn't think 60kg would be beyond him even without doing it regularly

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u/smallpotatofarmer Feb 25 '25

No me neither but strength gains are often quite specific. I do powerlifting and am often surprised by how "poorly" it carries over to general tasks that require abit of technique. Its a tremendous advantage for tasks that just require brute strength but the human body is extremely good at adapting to specific tasks and i think thats what people here are missing.

Give these dudes a month and they will do this without much problem, give "non lifters" 6 months and they MIGHT be able to do this

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u/delfino_plaza1 Feb 26 '25

I’m pretty sure it’s because they are physically too big. The bags are further from their center of mass than the worker.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Weakling redditor detected.

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u/throwawayfinancebro1 Feb 25 '25

Tell that to Ronnie Coleman, squatting 800 for reps while being the goat of body building. 

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u/azuredota Feb 25 '25

No bro if you train in a gym and get big your muscles are fake and can’t actually do anything trust me bro this construction worker is stronger than them because reason bro

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u/drmarting25102 Feb 25 '25

Muscle strength doesn't equal muscle mass

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u/Minibeebs Feb 25 '25

I mean. You need SOME mass in order to have strength

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u/NoTurkeyTWYJYFM Feb 25 '25

Not directly but it's extremely correlated

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

it's as direct as it can be. adjusted for genetic factors which determine specific tension and assuming good technique/recruitment, strength is proportional to physiological cross sectional area.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

No, it's direct/causal too.

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u/Sandbox_Hero Feb 25 '25

They’re not equal the same way water and glass isn’t.

But when muscle is the glass, strength is the water in it. The more muscle you have, the bigger your strength potential.

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u/rendar Feb 25 '25

Individualistically, yes it does.

You can't generate force without force generation units. Strength is a skill but that only extends so far. Some of the best tests for strength are predicated by measuring diameter of muscle.

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u/randomblue123 Feb 25 '25

It does when the training is the same. Research on powerlifters clearly show that muscle cross section area has the greatest correlation to results.

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u/lurkerer Feb 25 '25

It would be silly to assume they don't correlate strongly.

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

That's delusional.

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Vast majority of a force output is to do with CNS and synchranistic muscle tissue firing.

You basically train the muscle to engage faster and simultaneously more than you create more contractile tissue.

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

this is hilariously untrue, lifters reach diminishing returns in terms of neural adaptation within 2-5 months of doing an exercise. and it accounts for little variability even then.

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Source or on ya horse

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

T. Moritani, D.Ha Neural factors versus hypertrophy in the time course of muscle strength gain

For a newer review see Škarabot et al. The knowns and unknowns of neural adaptation to resistance training

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Not a source

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

That is literally a source.

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u/1104L Feb 25 '25

It’s not that hard I promise

Your tone is especially hilarious from someone who didn’t cite a source for the ridiculous “vast majority” claim

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

You're wrong in so many ways and I can tell you know nothing about how muscles work. Just do some research on the internet.

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u/DickFromRichard Feb 25 '25

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-muscularity/

Muscle is contractile tissue, if you create more of it you are creating more mass

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Then from whence does the strength discrepancy displayed in the video originate?

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

All that is demonstrated by the pic is the worker has better technique, and only the muscles required for moving 4 bags of cement are developed (back and forearms).

Bodybuilders muscles are more developed everywhere else and have no technique for this movement.

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u/DickFromRichard Feb 25 '25

Technique. For the carry, notice how the worker has his hands on opposite corners whereas the other guys are grabbing the outer corners and making the stack unstable. For the overhead, the big guy has no issues with the strength to hold it up but he can't get it balanced.

It's not completely wrong that there is a neuromuscular component to any activity, that's part of what's being demonstrated here. But maximum potential force output is strongly and directly correlated with muscle cross sectional area, which is what we typically think of as "strength".

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u/werttit Feb 25 '25

This is why all the strongest men in the world have no visible muscles!

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Not the claim I made.

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u/Solanthas_SFW Feb 25 '25

Surprised no one has mentioned fast twitch vs slow teitch muscles yet

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u/Nick-Moss Feb 25 '25

Not much slow twitch in upper body

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u/retroly Feb 25 '25

Where do rock climbers store their strength, they seeminlgy have super human strength with very little muscle.

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25

They're light and only have certain muscles developed.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

its relative strength too their weight. Also largely upper back and forearms only.

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u/retroly Feb 25 '25

But their fingers and hands can support their bodyweight, even with their low body weight the strenght is pretty incredible. I get it though, a lot of the "stength" will be endurance, holding on for long periods of time, not "peak" instantaneous lifting of heavy weights.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

It is but you dont look huge by having just big fingers, forearms and upper back

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u/the_real_zombie_woof Feb 25 '25

Sure. But one tastes better than the other.

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u/old_man_MODOK Feb 25 '25

it's this time of the week again where the usual Reddit user needs to fill their pencil neck self esteem with "bOdYbUildiINg sTUPid" while not doing sports since grad school.

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u/Link-Glittering Feb 26 '25

Well it is stupid to a lot of people. Putting that much energy into fitness to be less mobile is wild. Training for size like these guys absolutely baffles me. To each their own, I'm not hating, but I'm allowed to think it's really weird

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u/old_man_MODOK Mar 05 '25

I have more mobilty since I started lifting then in my running years. Squats, deadlifts will do that. There are so many people talking strawmen-points like "bodybuilding is bad for mobilty" while not been able to touch there own toes or do a proper squat. Fucking bullshit. Working on your mobilty in general is a good idea, lifting or not. Bodybuiling and lifting is way more than "much more muscle bro". Its about taking care of your body (that includes mobility), eating good and well and having a healthy and long lasting effect lifestyle.. But yeah, make more excuses for yourself..

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

Their muscles do have function., it's just not to lift things. It's to look goog on stage in a body building competition. These guys don't train to be strong, they train to be big

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u/dakhoa Feb 25 '25

Functional fitness is just people defining what they deem functional and judge other upon those standards.

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u/dmoore451 Feb 25 '25

Functional fitness is just something people say to make them feel fit without exercising. "Oh I might not look strong but my strength is functional"

It's like the people who think they'll be deadly in a fight without any training because "I'm different when I get mad and see red"

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u/Cute_ernetes Feb 25 '25

"Haha, gymbro body builders are so weak! I'm glad my strength is functional and not just glam muscles" They chuckle to themselves as they struggle to get up from the couch or bed without using their arms for leverage.

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u/PopeGucciSofaVI Feb 25 '25

Such an ignorant statement lmao. Reads as someone who’s mad they’re too lazy to hit the gym. I’ve been bodybuilding for 12 years and have also done years of manual labour. Bodybuilders literally have to strength train to gain that amount of muscle. At a certain point it’s impossible not to get stronger as a bodybuilder.

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u/Little_Whippie Feb 25 '25

I can almost guarantee the guys in this video could outlift you on any movement

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u/Rock_Strongo Feb 25 '25

These guys don't train to be strong

but they are still incredibly strong. Both of those guys are stronger than 99.9% of people in this thread will ever be in their life.

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u/IcchibanTenkaichi Feb 25 '25

So show muscle.

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u/ADAMracecarDRIVER Feb 25 '25

They are, without question, stronger than 90% of people. You call it show muscle because it makes you feel better, but they’re literally training to look good and are stronger than most people. I don’t know why Redditors hate bodybuilders so much, but you could at least not spread misinformation.

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u/bacan_ Feb 25 '25

Yeah, people who aren’t strong at all like coming into threads like this to try to laugh at body builders..

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u/Thomas-Lore Feb 25 '25

training to look good

Then they failed. They look like bubbly cartoon characters. :)

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u/Cadoc Feb 25 '25

Or maybe they don't train to look good to you

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u/IcchibanTenkaichi Feb 25 '25

Im a laborer. I have functional muscle, I also lift weights for the exercise on 3 rotating gym days. Im not a hater, i just know the difference.

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u/ADAMracecarDRIVER Feb 25 '25

If that’s true, then you know all muscle is functional. “Show muscle” is just a way to put down body builders (for some reason.) Their muscles work really well at being big and decently well at moving weight.

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u/IcchibanTenkaichi Feb 25 '25

It depends on build. If you want to look like a big body builder then get huge but it’s not practical at all and hard to maintain. I prefer being muscular and toned with practicality in mind. I have to be able to fit my clothing, get in and out of tight spaces, and do so with keeping the stamina to get through my days. I cant speak for the huge builders using anabolic steroids but I can say what i do works all around.

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u/ADAMracecarDRIVER Feb 25 '25

Bro… I don’t think you’re in the gym like that. Nobody in the gym 3x a week is looking down on anyone else with weekly dedication, especially the body builders.

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u/IcchibanTenkaichi Feb 25 '25

You are putting words in my mouth and assuming my attitude towards others. I don’t see the practicality in getting huge for my use. It’s not functional for my lifestyle. That is purely subjective to my needs. Stop with the presumption.

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u/ADAMracecarDRIVER Feb 25 '25

You keep calling it impractical like they have the same goals that you do. It’s very clear you have a disdain for big guys. There’s bodybuilding competitions, acting, modeling, social media, even just enjoying looking big - all reasons to get swole. It’s plenty practical, just not for you, and you’re coming across very dismissive about that idea.

Edit: They blocked me. No possible way that dude is the gym at all ever.

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u/Azod2111 Feb 25 '25

Try to lift even 10% of what the "show muscle" do and come back

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

no such thing, how does this shit get upvoted. literal brainrot. Muscle corellates 80% with strength, the other factor being CNS adaption.

All that is demonstrated by the pic is the worker has better technique, and only the muscles required for moving 4 bags of cement are developed (back and forearms).

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

Yes for show but that's not to say they don't serve a function..

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u/NoTurkeyTWYJYFM Feb 25 '25

The function is to upset redditors actually

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

Always amuses me when some people think there is some giant gotcha moment when bodybuilders who train for size not strength, aren't the strongest guys in a video... no one is surprised, the body builders in the clips are definitely impressed by a smaller guys strength, but they would definitely know the limits of their own muscles

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u/ZubacToReality Feb 25 '25

“Ah ha! You see I always knew going to the gym was a waste of time! Lifting these Cheetos in my mouth from the bag is all the exercise I need! I wouldn’t want to end up with all that show muscle”

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u/timmystwin Feb 25 '25

It doesn't serve the muscle's function of being a muscle.

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

Things can have more than one use

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u/ZubacToReality Feb 25 '25

Their brains is not one of them

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u/SituacijaJeSledeca Feb 25 '25

HHAHHAHAHAHH, what?

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

Not saying they wouldn't be extremely strong, of course they would be.. but if they are actually body builders then their primary goal would be size and appearance.. of course they need to lift really heavy shit to do that

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u/SituacijaJeSledeca Feb 25 '25

So how is the goal not to lift heavy things? Is 445lbs x 8 squat weak to you, can you do that? Is that lightweight?

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u/shallowsocks Feb 25 '25

The title describes them as bodybuilders... body building is a specific thing, not just working out or being big. The end goal is to achieve aesthetics not to be strong.. but yes of course you need a lot of strength to get there

It's similar to how a football player would run sprints in training and need to be very quick but they are not a sprinter

Just google "what is body-building?"

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u/TheSpicyFalafel Feb 25 '25

this dumbass comment again. it's not 'show muscle', it's just not 'pick up these specific bags of concrete' muscle. Someone can have lifted for years but be worse at the same exercise as a newbie if the newbie's body is acclimated to that exercise. someone who curls 45s and rows 200 for reps might not be able to do more than a few chin-ups, but the guy who's been doing chin-ups for a couple of weeks can.

it's always people who have no idea what strength entails who make these comments. some concept of 'I can also be that strong by not doing all that gym crap'. you have to train regardless- just how is the question

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u/Proteinreceptor Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

Redditors who have never stepped foot in a gym LOVE making these comments. I am sure you'd feel confident fighting guys like this that only have "show muscles", right?

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u/thisismysffpcaccount Feb 25 '25

This is such a painfully stupid take lol. You are good at what you do. If these bodybuilders did this mans work for a month they would blow him out of the water in both work capacity and raw strength for this specific task. They simply are not good at this skill because they have not performed it.

Show muscle, lol. They muscled are perfectly functional for the function they have been trained to do. Reddit gets such a boner over bodybuilders not being good at something that they've never practiced, for some reason.

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u/Sukkamadikka Feb 25 '25

Aestetics? Whatever you call it

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u/dismal_sighence Feb 25 '25

It's just trained technique vs. not.

Guarantee the body builders are stronger in general, measurable ways, but the worker is trained on this specific action, while the body builders are not.

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u/tesmatsam Feb 25 '25

Muscle is literally muscle, this is literally just neural adaptation and technique

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u/NinjaChenchilla Feb 25 '25

If they would compete in proper lifts, bodybuilder would win, no doubt… there is technique and proper training to this.

The bodybuilders can most definitely out bench, press, squat, etc the worker.

Just like a professional arm wrestler can beat a bodybuilder… it isnt rocket science. But a bodybuilder can beat a professional arm wrestler in their lifts easily…

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u/Smilloww Feb 25 '25

This is not a real distinction.

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u/Napalmeon Feb 25 '25

I can't remember where I heard this term, but I think that some people call it having popcorn muscles.

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u/csuszi11 Feb 26 '25

531 upvotes oh the stupidity. Sure a muscle knows what it lifts/pulls :D fuck me

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u/Front-Psychology7854 Feb 26 '25

Functional muscle? Are you trying to say that their muscles don't function, I'd argue that their muscles seem to function extremely well which is why they have such incredible tone and development. I'd assume if they didn't function that they'd atrophy and suffer from muscle wastage.

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u/Background-Baby-2870 Feb 26 '25

every single time a video like this pops up and its always the same garbage nonsense comment lol. you could put in multi-gold medalist lu xiaojun there and hed also struggle with the bags. who wouldve guess "man that specifically performs movement" beats "man that doesnt"

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u/Efficient_Caramel_29 Feb 26 '25

Literally moronic

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u/CocoTheMailboxKing Feb 25 '25

Here we go lmao, Reddit and their experts. I guarantee hardly anyone here even lifts.

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u/22416002629352 Feb 25 '25

Why cant soldiers beat professional swimmers in a race? Seems like soldiers are all weak and only exercise for show.

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u/bwedlo Feb 25 '25

Density > Volume

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u/ichhassenamen Feb 25 '25

Wrong. Stop reciting bullshit you read on reddit.