r/BeAmazed • u/Super_Steve117 • Feb 25 '25

Miscellaneous / Others Strength of a manual worker vs bodybuilders

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u/RedHotFries Feb 25 '25

Same like ngannou who was a labourer before he dominated mma.

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u/WHALE_BOY_777 Feb 25 '25

What's even crazier is that Ngannou is huge in addition to having real strength.

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u/RedHotFries Feb 25 '25

Fast too

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u/TomGreen77 Feb 25 '25

Juiced too

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u/RoadWarriorKO Feb 25 '25

You gotta be, espscially if you are fighting other juiceheads

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u/MaccDaddyFist Mar 01 '25

juicy boys are everywhere.

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u/blanc_86 Feb 25 '25

All of the above

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u/QualityDime Feb 25 '25

Just the above

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u/cosmicjed Feb 25 '25

All the juice

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u/Rouge_Decks_Only Feb 25 '25

Being juiced doesn't change the other facts. The whole of MMA is enhancing performance, even the ones you like.

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

He's just all of the above?

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u/QualityDime Feb 25 '25

And that is my joke

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u/ZigZagZomby Feb 25 '25

Skip leg day

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u/Jaegernaut- Feb 25 '25

Every day is leg day

And every day I skip legs

My legs = šŸ— šŸ—

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u/Thexeira Feb 26 '25

And genetics too cuz Ngannou will beat all these roid heads

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u/Cuck_Boy Feb 25 '25

To the tits

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u/Simulation-Argument Feb 26 '25

He would be an idiot to not use performance enhancing drugs with how prevalent it is in ALL sports. Even tennis players are using them. It allows you to train more often because your recovery is substantially faster. Still requires a fuckload of work to maintain those kinds of physiques.

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u/Thexeira Feb 26 '25

Wipe the Cheeto fingers off your keyboard kiddo

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u/TomGreen77 Feb 26 '25

LOL okay Brendan Schob fan šŸ˜‚

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u/Thexeira Feb 27 '25

Nah Iā€™m fan of guys like Francis Ngannou and George Foreman came from nothing forged themselves into legends ya Jon jones fanboy

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u/TomGreen77 Feb 27 '25

LOL Jon Jones. Another northern hemisphere drug cheat.

Australia & New Zealand we donā€™t cheat like you and your heroā€™s.

We keep it honourable down here and it does cost us a hefty amount of attrition.

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u/Thexeira Feb 28 '25

Dude Iā€™m from Australia I look up to guys like Mark Hunt and Tai Tuivasa their all natural islanders fighting in an organisation where guys are on the juice

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u/TomGreen77 Feb 28 '25

HAHA. So weā€™re not that different then.

Iā€™ve been saying drug cheats from the US (and a bunch of other Northern Hemisphere countries) are going to be cooked when Aussie & Kiwi fighters get on board the juice-train too.

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u/Brodins_biceps Feb 25 '25

And has way more stamina than a guy his size should. All round fucking ATHLETE. I truly think heā€™s a once in a generation genetic monster.

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u/DiegoArmandoConfusao Feb 25 '25

Amazing cock too

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

What fo you mean by real strength

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u/yettedirtybird Feb 25 '25

People on reddit for some reason think that bodybuilders aren't strong.

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u/yettedirtybird Feb 26 '25

No they aren't, go have anyone go bench or squat a shitload of weight for 15 reps, I bet the bodybuilders kick everyone's ass.

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u/Ave_Niko Feb 26 '25

Well, yes, we have to squat with a huge weight twenty times in everyday life.

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u/yettedirtybird Feb 26 '25

Man I bet you're so functionally strong, whatever that means.

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u/yettedirtybird Feb 26 '25

Have them go to a gym and watch the laborer get blown out of the water in any lift you could pick.

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u/GoNmanne11 Feb 25 '25

Laborer that activates a specific set of muscle group every day with work and has strengthen it. it's really not that hard to figure out.

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u/usrnmz Feb 25 '25

That's not crazy at all. More muscle obviously helps..

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u/PerpetualConnection Feb 25 '25

Jon Jones is the false champion of heavyweight. Without fighting Ngannou or Aspinal, he will always be questioned.

Cowardly king

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u/ballsjohnson1 Feb 25 '25

Idk if it's Jones fault for dana white being a cheapskate billionaire

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u/Shamscam Feb 26 '25

I was listening to a Joe Rogan podcast where he was talking about true strength like this. He was saying if you really want to get very strong work out every day, and then go do a manual labour job for 10 hours a day. If you can do both things. Then you will get both kinds of strength.

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u/dmoore451 Feb 25 '25

Huge=real strength unless it's all fat

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u/CarelessReindeer9778 Feb 25 '25

Wrists and grip strength are crucial for most work, but tend to be neglected by body builders. Not that lifting weights doesn't train grip strength, it's just that you're usually limited by other muscles.

Source: My grip strength, one handed, is nearly my max squat

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u/azsnaz Feb 25 '25

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u/dmoore451 Feb 25 '25

I'm sure you're an expert

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u/azsnaz Feb 25 '25

I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but I do know some basic words

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u/dmoore451 Feb 25 '25

"Huge in addition to having real strength" I'm saying in addition to is not needed as they go hand in hand.

I'm not struggling with words, are you?

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u/Conscious-Sir1762 Feb 25 '25

Might want to look at the video on this post. Not true 100% of the time, but large "glamor" muscles don't always have the anticipated result.

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u/dmoore451 Feb 25 '25

Those body builders are definitely stronger than the worker.

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u/Conscious-Sir1762 10d ago

I know this is way too late (just saw reddit had a thing for reply notifications [I don't post much]).Ā 

I 100% do not disagree with you in general. Though, you ever go to a gym and lift more than your friends on some lifts and less on others?

The muscles a manual laborer uses daily can certainly mean they could outperform those bigger than them. That does not mean in every single thing they do that result would be the same.

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u/mr_mgs11 Feb 25 '25

There are a handful of bodybuilders who also train for strength. Ronnie Coleman, Stan Efferding, etc. Honestly if you are just trying to increase size there isn't a ton of benefit versus the risk of injury to go very heavy. I competed in powerlifting for over 10 years, and now I am pushing 50 I am doing more bodybuilding type shit because I don't want more injuries.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

Idk if that is what makes him that good lol. Dude was slaving in salt mines and crossed the desert and sea to flee his country. I can't even imagine what mindset that dude have, he is like the embodiment of survival.

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u/snorlz Feb 25 '25

sand mines

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u/ScroogieMcduckie Feb 25 '25

you're getting downvoted but you're right, they were sand mines not salt mines

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u/snorlz Feb 25 '25

yeah idk why; this is factual information

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u/Expensive-Border-869 Feb 26 '25

Sounds mean and people are uninformed. Me included I'm not looking up his wiki lol

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u/Gullible_Raspberry78 Feb 26 '25

Thatā€™s even worse.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/Simulation-Argument Feb 26 '25

To be fair she is a monster. Unreal strength for her size.

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u/DeliciousMonitor6047 Feb 25 '25

Itā€™s not really crazy at all. Itā€™s an exception when someone smaller is stronger than someone bigger. Thatā€™s just biology. Additionally in this situation the person build a movement pattern, learnt the good technique, necessary muscles developed that doesnā€™t look big (forearms, fingers).

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u/ilikedevo Feb 26 '25

Iā€™ve been an electrician 30 years. I can hold my arms straight above my head indefinitely without strain. I didnā€™t know this was a skill Iā€™d gained until a gym class I had used it as a stamina test and everyone looked miserable. Your body adapts to things you do daily.

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u/DressureProp Feb 26 '25

I respectfully disagree. Thereā€™s many instances of climbers having more strength than body builders. Also, check out Anatoly on YouTube - a smaller guy with incredible strength. https://youtu.be/a7c9YFipcmw?si=4iIhpbuILDlsiH3v

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u/CakeDyismyBday Feb 26 '25

You're just proving is point. You pinpoint some exceptions, for the regular population, bigger=stronger. That's physics.

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u/frolfer757 Feb 26 '25

Which climbers are those? Climbers typically have just insanely strong fingers in comparison due to no one ever training specifically for that outside of climbers and good core stability & endurance in their forearms.

Whenever there's some youtube video of climbers competing vs bodybuilders, it's always related to finger strength due to it being funny that a 70kg skinny dude shits on massive bodybuilders in grip strength.

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u/DirtLight134710 Feb 26 '25

Not just rock climbers but also people who mastered calisthenics

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u/NEIGHBORHOOD_DAD_ORG Feb 26 '25

Yeah letā€™s see their squat 1rm

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u/DressureProp Feb 26 '25

Anatolys squat is 463lbs

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u/NEIGHBORHOOD_DAD_ORG Feb 26 '25

That's pretty good

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u/Glittering_Sweet1537 Feb 26 '25

he is not a climber

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u/Massinissarissa Mar 01 '25

Anatoly is not that small and not that strong. He's a powerlifter and would not compete at top level given his lifts. He's strong but in his category he's not crazy strong.

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u/No-Garbage-2958 Feb 26 '25

I remember watching a YT video that it shows finger related grip power is the key and most bodybuilders don't have that. This video also is related gripping the cement properly by the looks of it.

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u/Ikcenhonorem Feb 25 '25

Do you know what Ngannou did? It is insane. He dived in muddy river, like 12 meters deep, strong current, to take sand from the bottom with big metal bucket, and that 8 hours per day. That is how they get fine sand for building in Cameroon. It is very dangerous, And nothing is even close as training strength.

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u/RealCathieWoods Feb 25 '25

Ngannous strength and size is the only reason he's a champ. He did not have to work on his technique at all - until he had to start defending the belt.

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u/russbam24 Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

Ngannou has plenty of skill. I'm shocked people seem to disagree. He displayed tremendously crafty clinch work and movement in his fight with Fury. And he defended his UFC title against Gane with a torn ligament in his knee. He didn't do that with just strength. He did it by pacing himself throughout 5 rounds, choosing his moments and selecting his shots in a very competitive fight.

He is a highly skilled fighter.

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u/RealCathieWoods Feb 25 '25

Brother... I am going to argue my point in good faith. Im going to give you specific reasons that support my argument. You can change my mind if you have a good argument against me.

Ngannou is a skilled fighter. He is ranked among the top heavy weights in the world. That, by definition, makes him a skilled fighter. I am not arguing against that.

What i am arguing is that Ngannou had quite poor technique its better now but still not great - a bit below average i think. He lacked control. This is evident if you watch his fights before he lost the belt... You interpret his technique as being good because both of the fights you mention are after he lost the belt - and had to experience what losing was - for him to start honing is craft.

Visual evidence can be obtained from watching both of his Miocic fights. This is pre- and post- losing belt - and observing the change in his behavior. I think he probably studied technique before he lost - but he knew he could always rely on his size - and so he didnt take it very seriously. But he lost to Miocic (one might even say Miocic "fucked him up" or Ngannou "got his shit stuffed in", as the kids say) - then he honed his technique.

He learned how to control his size. He learned how to save energy. He acquired a better economy of motion.

In Miocic #1 - he would chase after miocic and while miocic was on his backfoot - ngannou would throw punches while on his front foot. He would frequently drop his hands after throwing a punch (this is how he got rocked in round 1). His motion is overall just more jittery, wiry, and disorganized.

Miocic #2 - he's more controlled. He's not wiry or jittery. He has a decent economy of motion. He doesnt chase (as bad). He keeps his hands up.

Think about it from Ngannous perspective. He's a huge dude. His loss to Miocic - might actually be the first time hes ever felt physically less than someone else. The first time he ever felt physically helpless. Im sure that catalyze a deeper dedication to technique in his mind.

But his technique is still not championship level. If he was 150 lb. I don't think he'd be a UFC fighter. My evidence for this is the fight with Anthony Joshua.

I agree that he looked okay for the Tyson Fury fight, but watch Fury, and watch Ngannou. Boxers get that economy of motion - like a flow state - a rhythm. Ngannou just moves with hesitance.

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u/Silver-ishWolfe Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 26 '25

So... a talented and genetically gifted athlete is superior enough, physically, to reach the pinnacle of their sport before having to ever get his technical skills super refined, plus being able to be competitive at the pinnacle of a different sport, and....

You say it like it's a negative. Reddit fight fans are so weird. We always have been...

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u/RealCathieWoods Feb 26 '25

Dude that is literally the name of the game of the heavyweight division. In both boxing and MMA. Everyone knows this. Its not a technical division. You dont watch the heavyweight division to see someone put in a gogoplata (though Volkov did submit tuivasa with an ezekiel). Color commentators talk about this all the time - comparing lighter weights to heavyweight.

Ngannou arguably isnt even competitive at a different sport. I love how people just disregard the anthony joshua fight. This could obviously never be confirmed - but I read Fury wasn't even really in a camp, was drinking etc in the days up to the fight.

Like, I love watching Tai Tuivasa fight. That dude, like Mike Hunt, was a street brawler and one dimensional. He ranked something like 5th off of one move - tuck your chin and throw. Just watch for when tuivasa puts his head down - hes going to throw - its the exact same move every time.

I mean i like watching ngannou fight. But I don't know that i would say hes athletic in the way that Michael Jordan was athletic. I can't see him being amazingly good at baseball or basketball or football randomly.

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u/Silver-ishWolfe Feb 26 '25

You're all over the place, bro. You say he's a good fighter, then say he's not. You say he's a gifted HW, but not a Michael Jordan. You cite individual moments from fights, instead of his entire resume, as a reason for the backhanded shade. And of course he's not a world class boxer. Duh... But he Rocky'd the shit out Fury. No one can deny that.

Not sure what your point actually is, but Francis is a beast and it's been a joy watching his career go so well. Couldn't have happened to a, seemingly, more deserving dude.

Have a great one.

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u/RealCathieWoods Feb 26 '25

Him being "a beast" is not mutually exclusive of him "not having technique" or "not being a technical fighter". I am being precise with my words. You are not.

That is the basic premise of my argument. Yet you didnt even re-state it in your reply.

If youre going to attempt to criticize my statements - I think you should at least state my one premise, no? Maybe thats why you think im all over the place- because you dont understand my premise. I mean, I literally write my premise essentially word for word in 2nd reply up. I make specific reference to it in my last reply.

If you don't understand the premise - you should ask me to clarify, because maybe im not being clear, but you shouldnt dance around it and make irrelevant points.

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u/Silver-ishWolfe Feb 26 '25

I understand the premise...

The former UFC champ that took the heavyweight boxing champ the distance isn't "skilled" enough for the Redditor.

I got it.

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u/queefgerbil Feb 26 '25

Youā€™re missing the point. I can tell you donā€™t follow the sport.

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u/gerwen Feb 25 '25

Stipe exposed his weakness in their first fight. Took him down and held him down for most of the fight. He had to learn some skill to beat Stipe.

Helped a lot that the heavyweight division is about as deep as a pie plate. Now and then.

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u/UlleQel Feb 25 '25

Exept workers and Ngannou's muscles arent made of water and steroids like the bodybuilder's ones

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u/Holdmabeerdude Feb 25 '25

Well, thereā€™s probably some steroidsā€¦..

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u/the_inebriati Feb 25 '25

made of water

I'm sure you know this deep down, but this is a total cope you tell yourself to justify being unhappy with your own body.

It is a lie. A fabrication. A fantasy.

These people are very strong and much more disciplined than you can hope to be.

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u/UlleQel Feb 25 '25

talking about cope lmaooo

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u/HenryDeanGreatSage Feb 25 '25

If they are not disciplined enough to do it without steroids, then they are still cheating.

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u/Main_Wear_9760 Feb 25 '25

Steroids are allowed in bodybuilding. Every body has a limit to how muscular and strong it can get. Steroids push that limit a bit

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u/HenryDeanGreatSage Feb 25 '25

Yes, there is a level of discipline they will never reach, also.

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u/DecaForDessert Feb 25 '25

Thank you for calling it out lol

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u/L6P9 Feb 25 '25

Synthol = all fluff

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u/deuseyed Feb 25 '25

Just say that you donā€™t know what the difference between powerlifting and bodybuilding is lmaoo

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u/trispann Feb 25 '25

Double the muscle šŸ’Ŗ half the strength

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u/eGzg0t Feb 25 '25

Same as Ippo Makunouchi

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u/itscolossal Feb 25 '25

I have one word "steroids"

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u/VastTradition6250 Feb 25 '25

don't forget poatan

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u/HyzerFlip Feb 28 '25

For decades the top of pro disc golfer was a carpenter. All that time swinging hammers built up the specific right muscles.

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u/IHateMylife420000 Feb 25 '25

he didnā€™t dominate mma he was a successful heavyweight champion but didnā€™t dominate the sport

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u/KingKoCFC Feb 25 '25

His run to the championship was pretty dominant letā€™s be honest, by the time he left there was nobody else other than Jones whoā€™d been avoiding him for 2 years and only recently Aspinall has emerged.

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u/itsavibe- Feb 25 '25

Didnā€™t have time toā€¦ Dana stripped him of it. I full on believe heā€™d STILL be champ and actively fighting unlike Jon duck jones.

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u/IHateMylife420000 Feb 25 '25

Probably not Jon and aspinall would be able to outwrestle him only thing is Jon donā€™t like taking risky fights so it would aspinall vs Francis and aspinall most likely wins

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u/technicalityNDBO Feb 25 '25

There's a reason "farm boy strong" is a term people use

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u/Durej Feb 25 '25

Love that this was the first comment! Dude is so strong and powerful, it's scary.