r/BeAmazed Feb 25 '25

Miscellaneous / Others Strength of a manual worker vs bodybuilders

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u/drmarting25102 Feb 25 '25

Muscle strength doesn't equal muscle mass

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u/Minibeebs Feb 25 '25

I mean. You need SOME mass in order to have strength

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u/NoTurkeyTWYJYFM Feb 25 '25

Not directly but it's extremely correlated

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

it's as direct as it can be. adjusted for genetic factors which determine specific tension and assuming good technique/recruitment, strength is proportional to physiological cross sectional area.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

No, it's direct/causal too.

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u/Sandbox_Hero Feb 25 '25

They’re not equal the same way water and glass isn’t.

But when muscle is the glass, strength is the water in it. The more muscle you have, the bigger your strength potential.

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u/rendar Feb 25 '25

Individualistically, yes it does.

You can't generate force without force generation units. Strength is a skill but that only extends so far. Some of the best tests for strength are predicated by measuring diameter of muscle.

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u/randomblue123 Feb 25 '25

It does when the training is the same. Research on powerlifters clearly show that muscle cross section area has the greatest correlation to results.

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u/lurkerer Feb 25 '25

It would be silly to assume they don't correlate strongly.

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

That's delusional.

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Vast majority of a force output is to do with CNS and synchranistic muscle tissue firing.

You basically train the muscle to engage faster and simultaneously more than you create more contractile tissue.

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

this is hilariously untrue, lifters reach diminishing returns in terms of neural adaptation within 2-5 months of doing an exercise. and it accounts for little variability even then.

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Source or on ya horse

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

T. Moritani, D.Ha Neural factors versus hypertrophy in the time course of muscle strength gain

For a newer review see Škarabot et al. The knowns and unknowns of neural adaptation to resistance training

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Not a source

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

That is literally a source.

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u/[deleted] Feb 25 '25

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u/gabagoolcel Feb 25 '25

yea, i dont have to spoon-feed you a line. 10 seconds to find the full text on google and it's entirely concerned with the timeline of neuromuscular adaptation and the extent to which it impacts strength.

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u/1104L Feb 25 '25

It’s not that hard I promise

Your tone is especially hilarious from someone who didn’t cite a source for the ridiculous “vast majority” claim

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 25 '25

You're wrong in so many ways and I can tell you know nothing about how muscles work. Just do some research on the internet.

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u/DickFromRichard Feb 25 '25

https://www.strongerbyscience.com/research-spotlight-muscularity/

Muscle is contractile tissue, if you create more of it you are creating more mass

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Then from whence does the strength discrepancy displayed in the video originate?

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

All that is demonstrated by the pic is the worker has better technique, and only the muscles required for moving 4 bags of cement are developed (back and forearms).

Bodybuilders muscles are more developed everywhere else and have no technique for this movement.

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u/DickFromRichard Feb 25 '25

Technique. For the carry, notice how the worker has his hands on opposite corners whereas the other guys are grabbing the outer corners and making the stack unstable. For the overhead, the big guy has no issues with the strength to hold it up but he can't get it balanced.

It's not completely wrong that there is a neuromuscular component to any activity, that's part of what's being demonstrated here. But maximum potential force output is strongly and directly correlated with muscle cross sectional area, which is what we typically think of as "strength".

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u/werttit Feb 25 '25

This is why all the strongest men in the world have no visible muscles!

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u/TriageOrDie Feb 25 '25

Not the claim I made.

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u/Solanthas_SFW Feb 25 '25

Surprised no one has mentioned fast twitch vs slow teitch muscles yet

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u/Nick-Moss Feb 25 '25

Not much slow twitch in upper body

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u/retroly Feb 25 '25

Where do rock climbers store their strength, they seeminlgy have super human strength with very little muscle.

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u/ntonyi Feb 25 '25

They're light and only have certain muscles developed.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

its relative strength too their weight. Also largely upper back and forearms only.

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u/retroly Feb 25 '25

But their fingers and hands can support their bodyweight, even with their low body weight the strenght is pretty incredible. I get it though, a lot of the "stength" will be endurance, holding on for long periods of time, not "peak" instantaneous lifting of heavy weights.

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u/Neither-Stage-238 Feb 25 '25

It is but you dont look huge by having just big fingers, forearms and upper back

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u/the_real_zombie_woof Feb 25 '25

Sure. But one tastes better than the other.