i’m sooo confused about last chapters. Where the hell did the Fakesaw come from?? I’ve tried to read the last 10 chapters to understand it but i still can’t
Fujimoto got us all. To be clear we were intentionally led to believe this new character was Death(although some here were skeptical for some reason) and Fakesaw is obvious proof of that. He's almost like the reader insert in this situation. Fujimoto used the fanbase's tendency to read deep into things and make predictions against us to pull off this trolling and it began ever since "Famine's" appearance with the tilted earrings resembling scales from the "Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse" painting as well as the right to left appearance order of the Horsemen. Even if not for the "desu" pun in her introduction, her power of sucking lifeforce, and talk about "saving" humans, by process of elimination this character should have been Death, had the real Death been telling the truth. Fujimoto had never faithfully adhered to "rules" so perhaps we should have expected this, but it also feels like he cheated us too much to set this up. After all the big appetite, powers that seem to work by depriving the brain, association with a Falling devil that is passionate about food, and the scales-like earrings did make sense for a Famine devil while being a reach for a Death devil.
But it's sure a fun way to interact with fans to acknowledge and troll the fans' tendencies so I can't be mad. And he does like his meta commentary.
That said, Nayuta seemed not to give any indication that Death was lying and it makes sense since she lost all her memories as Makima. Then what about Yoru? She had initially told Asa that she had no clue who Famine was and I had always assumed she was lying, but was she in the same boat as Nayuta and only had a vague recognition they were "sisters" belonging to the Horsemen but not recognition of the specific devil? Or did she just go along with Death's huge lie because she saw no disadvantage to it? I'm now leaning towards this theory. Because Yoru did remark on how "crazy" "Famine" was, showing she was acquainted with this incarnation of whatever devil "Famine" was. And as far as War's ambitions, they seem to align quite well with Death's so there should be no big reason to oppose her and instead be part of the great devils that flanked her during the apocalypse if you think about it(which Yoru was also the one to mention to Denji about). No one will believe me now but War's decision to join the fight against Death always bothered me as incompatible with her own goals, so when "Death" first appeared so casually and as a cringey character I had a small doubt in the back of my mind that perhaps Yoru was suddenly willing to work with "Famine" because she was actually Death herself and the cringey "Death" was just switchbait. Such a development would also fit Fujimoto's chaos well. But all the other clues led me to confidently abandon that idea, all according to Fujimoto's design.
This also means Barem was also played for a fool by Death, because we know Death is his enemy as well ever since he was working with Makima. Perhaps manipulation of Barem and the rest of the weapon hybrids to do her dirty work is the main reason why Death would pose as Famine in the first place. Well that and to hide in plain sight from PS.
Also this whole lying about names thing is almost certainly setting the stage for CSM to be revealed not to be the "chainsaw" devil. As well as practically confirming that the devil Falling killed for throwing up not being "Justice".
I haven’t reread part 2 in awhile so it may not just be about the Death Devil reveal, but with more context in the story it seems Bucky’s role in the story is a parallel to the Death Devil.
Teacher wants to show the class the sanctity of life by eating Bucky… who doesn’t want to die. Death seems to want to be eaten and die but can’t.
It gives me something to dwell on with how the Death Devil’s fate may play out.
i guess it must be due to the Fire Devil, since Justice was confirmed to have died in the Falling Devil arc (Justice was that caterpillar-looking thing that threw up the Falling Devil's food)
Was it though? Cause it was also supposedly Asa's friend in the beginning but that doesn't seem true either and how would full devil justice return so quickly to the earth, I admit I was really confused during that whole escapade though but I don't think we have seen the justice devil, why would it be a slug
How was it confirmed?
Death being fami also has me confused, I get it but it's so random how she wanted to starve war devil but doesn't actually have that power anyway, im confused lol
Barem also straight up confirms it was the fire devil everyone was making contracts with, not the justice devil, so this Fakesaw is more than likely contracted with Fire as well. Ya'll seriously need to re-read part 2 lol.
Lol honestly I was so confused the entire time, so there is 0 evidence besides this guy who is a bullshitter saying it was fire, we have no proof justice devil was ever actually present, we had a fake fami and a fake chainsaw man, this entire part 2 has been so random and convoluted I can't tell if author is just messing around or if this was actually intended to just be confusing for the sake of it, why was fall devil even under famis influence? Why does she have voodoo dolls? Nothing made sense lol and h and why I enjoy chainsaw man because it is just a ridiculous ass story so even when it's like this it's still fun to read
If you read it carefully, that giant slug isn't the Justice Devil, the two of them are referring to the Chainsaw Man clone, who defeated the giant slug "...AS THE JUSTICE DEVIL".
That giant slug was a Gluttony Devil or something.
The Justice Devil would resemble a human more than an animal or insects.
yeah i know exactly what you mean, i only noticed it b/c this chapter made me want to re-read everything. it's in chapter 145 pages 6-7, doesn't look like Fujimoto left any room for arguing.
i think the point of including that scene was to hint to us readers that devils are allowed to "lie" about who they are EXACTLY for this chapter
Someone actually replied to my original comment to clarify that 108 is a significant number in Buddhism! I was a little off the mark, and mostly made the association because of Death Note ending at 108 chapters (and vaguely recalled that being significant.) The more accurate context is that it's related to preparing for death, at which point you'll either be reincarnated or escape the cycle of rebirth by achieving nirvana.
Here's a quote from wiki:
In Japan, at the end of the year, a bell is chimed 108 times in Buddhist temples to finish the old year and welcome the new one (Joya no Kane (除夜の鐘)). Each ring represents one of 108 earthly temptations (Bonnō)) a person must overcome to achieve nirvana.
I cannot believe the first thing she did in the entire manga was offer to save someone from death and when she said she was an unrelated devil I completely believed her
Is it possible for any devils to fear the concept associated with themselves? If CSM instills the fear of death to the death devil, does she become a perpetual power up machine that keeps feeding on her own fear of herself?
Bro wtf are you talking about? This is twist that literally recontextualised a huge portion of the story up to this point on it's head, same way with Makima's true intention reveal.
I knew something was up when "Fami" broke into Asa's apartment and asked if she could eat her bread! The real famine devil would've just eaten the bread without asking.
It could go one of two ways either she originally showed up to die or since coming to earth and enjoying new experiences like making friends and eating and stuff she might have changed her mind. She’s evidently attempted to off her self for such a long time even removing her organs but, the panel about savoring meeting people and food would make no sense unless she’s possibly changed her mind, which leaves her open to be eaten by chainsaw man in a fight. Or that panel was just her pretending to act like fami but everything else she’s said has been significantly linked to the death devil in hindsight so idk. I’m probably wrong and she just wants to die but that’s too easy when denji can just eat her.
Another thing I realized upon re-reading is that it seems plausible that Nayuta knew Death's real identity. Shortly before the Falling Devil appears, Nayuta comments that she's smelling the foulest devil she's ever smelled and that it is nearby. I think it's not entirely unreasonable to guess that Yoru knew either. They're devils after all, they're hardcoded to want the exctinction of humanity. But then again, if they wanted that, Death could likely have done that by herself without a problem. Is death just a depressed emo girl wanting to die without wanting humanity to die? I'm skeptical, but then the plausible theory I can see is that Death wants the Makima solution, where she as a person can die but the concept remains. Kishimoto clearly loves the concept of time fucking with your sanity, so to me it checks out that Death has lived forever and is simply fed up with living, and that's her dilemma - the only way she can die is by being eaten by Chainsaw Man but that would come with the cost of the concept, eventually destroying the world due to everyone living forever, or some shit.
Kinda insane to go back and read part 2 again and think about what Death was plotting with the aquarium and the church -- and the prison raid to save Denji was Death's doing almost entirely.
This really is a story about how Asa was posessed, manipulated, mentally destroyed and likely killed by two of the most dangerous entities in existence. Poor girl.
I feel like we're headed towards a weird fucking existential ending for this series. Like Fire Punch or Evangelion style.
late edit: just realized upon re-reading this comment that I accidentally typed Kishimoto rather than Fujimoto. Oops.
It wouldn’t be far stretch to guess Nayuta and Yoru already know Death’s true identity since the real Fami immediately recognized her as Death when she saw her. And they are sisters, it only makes more sense that they know each other’s scent well.
I mean, she command hell devil to teleport her? I mean, Hell devil does have that ability. And consider how Falling Devil obey her, I can see it happening.
Some devils have the power to travel between Hell and the living world, like the Hell devil. There's no reason to assume the ability is exclusive to it.
Y'know, it feels poignant that the Death Devil's machinations resulted in the death of Eternity of all devils. Quite the poetic way to state the old maxim that "no one lives forever".
Famine in the world at large, in the current day & age, has been mostly eliminated.
You know what's also been heavily reduced in the last thousand years?
Death.
World population estimates say in 1000AD, there were around 275m people in the world.
In 1800, estimates give about 1 billion.
The day's current population estimate is over seven billion people.
It took about 800 years to quadruple the world's human population.
200 years is all it took for us to multiply that by 7.
Infant mortality, disease, and food insecurity have all mostly been eliminated. General technological and medical advancements have contributed to a world where significantly fewer people die.
Why am I bringing this up?
"Fami" has been shown to be pretty weak, but not as weak as the actual Famine Devil. Most people are not afraid of famine. Nearly everyone is at least a little afraid to die, but nowhere near as much as they used to be when it was an everyday concern. Hell, these days people actively do dangerous things under the assumption that they won't die! Death & War aren't gone, and they're more present than Famine, but aren't as feared as Conquest.
more people are alive, with means there are more people to die and more people to fear death.
Famine in the world at large, in the current day & age, has been mostly eliminated.
how to say you are a westerner without saying you are a westerner. that lack of empathy is what explains why you people cannot understand the global south not supporting ukraine or israel.
Seems kind of disingenious to say that famine has been mostly eliminated. It may hardly be the case if we only account for 1st world countries, but the rest of the world has it as an inevitable threat it seems
Actually we're 8 billion now, and it took 100 years to double our numbers from 1mil to 2mil (1800-1900-is), but another 100 years to quadruple that to 8bil.
Anyway ""Fami""\Death isn't really weak at all. She can control devils, can't die and probably has a lot of powers we don't know about. She's still a huge threat, but she probably wants to die so not quite the threat for our protags.
the total number of dying people in the world increased by a lot with a higher population.
what decreased was the fear of specific deaths (certain diseases and violent acts). fear of death itself is still on everyone's minds. devils gain power equal to the total fear in the world, so nowadays they would gain much more than in the 1800s (provided that the cause of fear stays the same, which is the case for death in general).
The rise in the human population and improved living conditions doesn't necessarily heighten the fear of death. However, with longer lifespans, this fear tends to linger for a greater duration.
In the past, death was often seen as heroic and even glorified. Today, it is more feared than ever, as people seek to extend and enjoy their lives for as long as possible. This fear may intensify with age, as individuals become increasingly aware of their approaching mortality.
Because Horsemen are able to recognize men or devils through scent, not appearence. Also it's the same "Fami" that presented herself as such to Yoru and Nayuta. Finally Yoru in chapter 110 stated that initially she hadn't recognized "Fami" considering how long time passed from their last meeting.
Ok but now I have questions. 1) is real Fami just a regular not death related devil how could she be able to move while cut up? 2) Death Fami’s powers what are they? She said starving people to control them but like?
She said she absorbed life from the ants, which allowed her to revive. I'm guessing her power is more specifically to absorb nutrients and turn that into life force or something like that.
Fami probably lied about her powers and I'm guessing it's more like "controlling whoever died" or something like that.
we've already seen that darkness devil can basically do whatever the fuck it wants and since the death devil is easily more feared than darkness i imagine she is just unimaginably powerful, like godlike levels surely?
I'm assuming Death can control/influence all causes of death which are kind of a lot. A lot of people die due to starvation. She's not the drowning devil, but drowning to death is still death, so
Real Fami is a horseman, so the sister of Makima, Yoru, Death and Nayuta, makes sense for her to be powerful enough to do that. It seems that her ability allows her to consume the lifes of the creatures she kills
One side thing about actual Fami that is odd, she came back from death by "feeding" on bandaid boy. But that doesn't actually fit with any Devil we've seen. No Devil regenerates when they do their "thing", like if you chopped off the falling Devils head, could she come back by throwing someone off a roof with her remaining body?
Its glossed over because it sort of makes comic book sense, she's feeding on their life, but all devils are feeding on the fear they represent. They get stronger the more their concept is feared, but they don't use the concept to regenerate themselves.
Yes Denji drinks blood and comes back, but that also never has made any sense of been explained either.
For powerful devils they are clearly more resilient to just physical damage and can survive even when chopped up. Falling you mentioned is a good example. In the last fight with her, her head got cut off at least once and she just simply put it back on. And that wasn’t even her head, she just cut it off some poor woman when she first appeared and attached it to herself. Like Aging she is unkillable. So here the real Fami is simply not as easily killed so she’s still alive even after chopped up. And her power explicitly allows her to regenerate by absorbing nutrients from other life.
My guess is Fami's powers is to absorb nutrients and turn them into life force. She is the embodiment of famine after all and more and more people starving to death is sort of what famine is. Doesn't make complete sense, but does make metaphorical sense the same way "control" and "conquest" does.
There are no 100% established rules or limits for how Devils can act, live, die and heal.
Makima, for example, exploited a hack by utilizing her national contract to offload every fatal wound she got to a random citizen she technically has ownership of via the contract.
I loved the twist! I hate how people are making these forced connections trying to find foreshadowing about it though. Everyone tries to predict Fujimoto and he stays winning
I too enjoy discussion and theories but people are posting things like "The color of Fami's hair is actually a certain shade of purple which is the color of some flower used in funerals in Indonesia which foreshadowed her being the death devil!" "Fami spoke 4 words in chapter 123 which is the number of death in China so she was the death devil all along! Fujimoto is such a genius!" (Overexaggerated examples that people didn't actually write so don't fact check it lol). It's just nonsense!
Authors/Artists are entirely capable of deliberately adding symbols and metaphors, so I don't think it's a fair shake to discount people's interpretations of things as being exaggerated. One of the best ways to engage with art is to question the artist's intent and parse what was and wasn't put there on purpose.
Refusing to entertain that discourse with "the blue curtains are just blue" logic is a denial of art. I mean, yeah, sometimes they are just blue, but most of the time people include details with intention. Can it be cringe when some takes are super out of left field? Absolutely. I don't think most people propose "nonsense" though.
I am all for good interpretations of the author's intent. One example I can think of is the frog symbolizing darkness from some cultures when the darkness devil was introduced. HOWEVER, the frog was very blatantly placed and even had its own panel dedicated to it. It came out of nowhere so without the symbolism it would have been completely random. What I hate are the forced interpretations or as you put it the ones "out of left field." People are free to interpret things however they want just as I am free to hate their interpretations lol
My guess? Most of what she said was lies, and what she actually wants is to die but she can't do it conventionally so she orchestrated this super convoluted plan to get the few possible beings who can to try and kill her. Pochita may be able to "kill" her by eating her. Meanwhile I'm not sure if Yoru can actually have a power to kill devils, or if she's just a backup to still pochita's powers via making him into a weapon. Because Fami has manipulated everyone the entire arc, possibly the whole Nostradamus prophecy was a lie she spread, meaning she was never going to end the world and it's always been about manipulating others to manipulate Denji.
It's implied based on her past behavior and this chapter's revelations that she both enjoys humanity's company but also knows that per the prophecy she's fated to annihilate them to usher in the Age of Devils, so she's been setting up this convoluted scheme to kill herself to prevent humanity from being wiped out by her hand. This is seemingly also why she's been attempting to kill herself in other ways, which clearly never took.
It's probably just something as simple as her getting tired of shit and wanting to die (but not being able to so she has no choice but to either kill everyone or use Chainsaw to end herself)
Guys i am sure someone else already figured this out and posted it but i haven't read it yet because most comments are focused on the foreshadowing of Fake Fami being death, with her head always tilted as if her neck was broken, her appearing near edges like a suicide jumper, her lack of emotion like a corpse, her bottomless unfulfilled appetite, and her lack of any substantial weight
HOWEVER!!
Real Fami also has a bunch of foreshadowing in her behavior, with the small amount of chapters what are her character traits? she is super weak like a malnourished or famished person, she is also overly dramatic and a crybaby! and why do babies cry? because it is their only way they have to signal their parents that they are hungry! this is why Fami is always tearing up and crying because she is hungry like a baby! hungry to the point of tears!
The Justice Devil appeared during the Falling Devil Arc and was killed, it is probably also a pawn to Death, seeing as It was working with Falling.
About Fire, I have absolutely no idea. We know It was working with the CSM church, and we know that 'Fami'(Death) is the true leader of said church. But Fakesaw seemed to be trying to impede Death's plan (although seeing as Death may want to die this could be not as contradictory as It seems)
Think I got confused after I caught up and started reading weekly. The fire devil is pretending to be the justice devil pretending to be chainsaw man? The death devil was pretending to be fami?
Basically yes, but it seems more like the fire devil gave someone devil powers pretending to be justice devil and that person is pretending to be chainsaw man as they see them as a "justice" figure, but thats just my speculation
Hmm, I mean why wouldn't the Death Devil of been along for most of the entire ride? "Fami" was the one who was using the Primal Fears way back when and she was consuming shit ton of sushi at the Sushi place with way too many shis. Nice nice nice. Also, she can't self-terminate. Means Pochita is the only way to stop her.
This will be fun to see a Horseman as cunning as Makima running amok now.
Since that ch I've always subscribed to the theory that the 'festival comitee' that 'Fami' mentioned were actually the primal Devil entourage that Yoru mentioned were going to receive Death.
She must be light af considering she doesn't have any organs..but besides that her friends may be the only source of entertainment/fun for her in this perpetually depressing life of hers
You know, now that I think on it, "Fami" reminds me a whole lot of Death from Supernatural. From her cold indifference to her taste in food (especially the kind that'll kill you). Probably just coincidence, but I remember vaguely thinking about what the Death Devil's personality would be like and struggling to come up with anything because "Fami" was already how I pictured Death, largely because Death from Supernatural was the best depiction of Death I'd ever seen.
Also, Death Devil name when? We can't just keep calling her the Death Devil or Fami, now can we? Lol
The fear of guillotines has completely run dry. No one fears them anymore due to them not being used anymore. Therefore, the Guillotine devil would be near death, making Fami-Death have an easy way to make a contract with them.
It’s not the “starved” that are Death’s pawns, it’s the people that are near-dead/completely dead
i was thinking more so she had guillotine with her cuz it was a method of execution / death penalty but thats an interesting perspective, i could be wrong
Meanwhile Pochita is chilling even though he had fought against the Death Devil and should know what is her skillset. Death wasn't even afraid of Pochita snitching on her
to be fair, a devil "straightup lying" about who they are is "established" and "canon" no? with fire devil lying about being justice devil? and power lying about having any IQ at all
you know what else is "established" and "canon"? denji wanting to lose his virginity. and a lot of people are scared of dying before losing their virginity. dying. virginity. what is fujimogoat cooking???????
Man it's so fucking hilarious to think the way Death was able to pretend to be famine was eating a ton of food and have it just sort of pile up in her legs because she doesn't have a fucking stomach
I feel super retroactively justified when I insisted "fami" was death while people piledrove me
Also, this is the most insane chapter since Makimas reveal as the control devil
My "fan of chainsawman" thing was also true! She is literally trying to kill herself and probably hopes Chainsawman can actually finish her off somehow
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