GOP defectors help Senate advance resolution to cancel Trump tariffs despite White House veto warning

[u/Mr_Inverse]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/gop-defectors-help-senate-advance-resolution-to-cancel-trump-tariffs-despite-white-house-veto-warning

[u/dottedoctet]

Oh look. Lefties getting all excited. Guess they don’t know how government works.

They can advance the bill all they want. They don’t have the votes to override a veto

[u/social_dinosaur]

The RINO globalists strike again. McConnell can't retire fast enough.

[u/you_cant_prove_that → u/social_dinosaur]

So Rand Paul is a RINO now??

[u/TheYoungLung → u/you_cant_prove_that]

Rand Paul has been a free trade advocate for literally ever of course he opposes tariffs

[u/BarrelStrawberry]

Just remember all the political talking points on how American consumers are stuck with paying tariffs through higher prices.

And then remember those exact same politicians demand corporations pay their fair share in corporate taxes... which are paid by the exact same consumers through higher prices.

You can be against tariffs, but you're an economic simpleton if you are also in favor of corporate taxes.

[u/Tasty_Explanation_20]

Color me shocked that Susan Collins did a flop. You can always count on her to vote when the consequences don’t matter and her vote won’t actually effect the outcome

[u/GiediOne]

The border states with Canada will bear some temporary economic hurts so I understand Main and Alaska. Mitch is as demented as Biden is nowadays. I'm disappointed in Rand. I don't think he understands that Tariffs are being used to encourage Free trade, not destroy it.

[u/Freespeechaintfree → u/GiediOne]

Just curious - how do tariffs encourage free trade?

[u/bZissou → u/[deleted]]

But the numbers are based off of trade deficits, not reciprocal tariffs. Vietnam will never buy as much from the US as the US buys from it.

[u/lolyoda → u/bZissou]

Its based off of percentages though.

Tell me this, if tariffs are so detrimental to the American consumer, why is it that other countries think its ok to tariff themselves? Are they trying to make lives for citizens harder?

[u/bZissou → u/lolyoda]

Honestly, I don't think they make sense outside of national security or specifically as punishment. I don't think America is trying to or should try to become like other countries.

You can use them to protect an industry that you require to maintain sovereignty - if your food supply becomes 100% outsourced you become extremely vulnerable.

Protecting is different than creating though - I don't think onshoring T-shirt making from Bangladesh is big economic win and Bangladesh is never buying expensive American products - high American wages + strength of US dollar makes that near impossible. You can try and lower your dollars value but it's difficult when you're the worlds reserve currency and tanking it to make exports possible will have a direct and opposite effect on America's strength globally when you lose the ability to put sanctions on countries.

[u/GiediOne → u/bZissou]

The reciprocal tariffs are from the opposing country's tariffs and their non-tariff barriers.

[u/bZissou → u/GiediOne]

I'd love to see the math on it. I work in manufacturing and sell to the US, there are 17,000 HTS codes for tariffs - there is no single number for a country. You can calculate all trade and calculate the tariffs paid to get a single number but that is WAY off of what was written here. For example in Canada and US trade the tariffs end up coming out to less than 2% each way - you could argue that the tariff is a barrier preventing trade and that isn't a great way to get the number but it would have to be based off of theoretical trade which has tons of 2nd and 3rd order effects.

[u/GiediOne → u/bZissou]

For example in Canada and US trade the tariffs end up coming out to less than 2% each way -

Again don't forget the non-tariff trade barriers that affect other industries.

[u/vampirepomeranian]

Let's continue allowing America to be the globe's piggy bank .. at our expense.

[u/AppState1981]

We have Canada on the ropes and Kaine is trying to rescue them.

[u/Erotic-Career-7342 → u/AppState1981]

Yup agreed

[u/StedeBonnet1]

This will never lass the House and even it it passes the House Trump will veto. They don't have the votes to override a veto. This is just performative politics.

[u/Hrendo → u/[deleted]]

Sure and that only applies to Rand Paul. Murkowski, Collins, and McConnell on the other hand are doing this out of blind disloyalty towards Trump and voters, which is also not a virtue.

[u/LastManSleeping → u/[deleted]]

and it's trump and the others responsibility to convince them and their constituents that it's a net good. So far the only thing they've heard is that it will bring back jobs and not be the world's piggybank without any concrete discussion of what will actually happen between then and now, how they plan against the immediate fallouts etc etc. It's like they expect support without guarantees, ala what they expected with ukraine