Yup, the gender/class divide in my brain is officially broken

[u/Chase_The_Breeze]

In this case, gender as a Class, not gender as a performance. And I am not saying it like it's some big theory kinda thing. It's more about my own step in undoing years of social division propaganda.

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[u/CorsoReno]

I could be wrong, but Feminism was pretty far left until people like Gloria Steinem made it into the neoliberal thing it is today

[u/FakeMarissa → u/CorsoReno]

Even then, only white feminism is a neoliberal thing. Intersectional feminism is still very much leftist ideology

[u/Meritania → u/CorsoReno]

Even in the UK, the Pankhurst sisters had a falling out after votes for women. 

Sylvia Pankhurst believed in Marxist-Feminism and called her sister Christabel a Tory apologist that wanted to keep Edwardian power structures.

[u/MAGAManLegends3 → u/Meritania]

Oh noice, someone else knew too! I should have gone further down first.

yeah Sylvia was the only good one, the rest wanted "just enough" for themselves, and then to kick the ladder out behind them (especially for coloured women)

[u/Dante_FromSpace → u/CorsoReno]

To add to that: Middle class and centrist/moderate white women capitalized on the experiences and work of women of color/lower socioeconomic white women to get their demands met (significantly less than what was initially asked for) and closed the door behind them.

[u/CorsoReno → u/Dante_FromSpace]

As is tradition

[u/stuntycunty → u/CorsoReno]

1st and 2nd wave feminism was mostly based on advancing the rights of white women. It almost entirely left out women of color and also a lot of queer women.

[u/MAGAManLegends3 → u/CorsoReno]

And the Pankhursts*

Imperialistic feminism goes back to the first world war!

Look into Christabel and the White Feather campaign. She even went so far as to put on blast lords or military staff who were calling for a truce like Eyre Crowe and Edward Grey

Was also good friends with Admiral Charles Penrose Fitzgerald.

So "Clintonian war feminism" that supported the quo existed even then

[u/Mak_daddy623 → u/CorsoReno]

Yup, we can thank Gloria Steinem the Op for turning feminism into TERFism

[u/DocFGeek]

Gender, like class, is a social construct. Destroy both to be free of the Capitalist Patriarchy that divides Us.

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We really oughta talk about this more.

[u/themadscientist420 → u/DocFGeek]

Finally someone making some sense

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[u/Ok-Stand-4502]

Factories hired a bunch of women bc they can pay them a very low amount in the 1930s in the US. Just gonna say that for anyone who didn’t know or forgot that fact.

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"BuT iT wAs FoR tHe WaR eFfOrT."

No, it was for war profits.

[u/lapidls]

Feminists were among the first revolutionaries in russia. That's why there's international women's day

[u/ectoplasmfear]

Marx put the destruction of the patriarchy in the manifesto

[u/quasar2022]

Marxist and post colonial feminism ftw

[u/Gloskap]

Yes exactly right. Lots been said about intersectionality, but I still believe it's the core advancement of recent times over more economical deterministic orthodox Marxism.

[u/NickOlaser42]

Susan B. Anthony was an Abolitionist, as well as a Suffragette, its always been 1 Fight

[u/Niomedes]

Feminism originated within the abolitionist movement. So, "always has been".

[u/Maleficent-Pen1511]

Just finished selected readings from Kollontai. National women's day on March 8 was originally a national working women's day of solidarity and was used mainly to bring people into the cause of working class liberation

[u/brain_diarrhea]

How is gaining the right to property, employment and political / civil rights 'seizing the means of production'?

[u/VARice22]

I guess the US was completely out of left field here since woman's suffrage was a thinly veiled racism campaign by the time it succeeded in making the shittiest amendment to the constitution.

[u/owlindenial → u/VARice22]

Which amendment?

[u/MAGAManLegends3 → u/VARice22]

You forget the speed of communication in those days, it absolutely was not a unified effort

US/UK/France/Germany/Aus all formed in different ways, and chose different tactics

Some portions of the US did align with Klan goals everywhere else

And some UK feminists definitely joined the side of the war profiteers

But you can't say the Stantons separated by a whole ocean distrusted Ida Wells because they had Klan sympathies, that would be just silly

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The 19th amendment was worse than prohibition?