r/Documentaries • u/margiiiwombok • Apr 30 '22
Society Burnout: The truth about overwork and what we can do about it (2022) - Why do we work, and why are we working more than ever? Overwork is damaging our lives and the planet. This film takes a look at the past and also asks how we can change the future of work. CC [00:42:26]
https://youtu.be/Q98aCklzCBE199
u/Peacemaker1855 Apr 30 '22
Truth. FFS, we are killing ourselves to make an elite few richer. Why? If we don't show up for these assholes, we can own them....
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Our societies are collectively sick with delusion about what efficiency, growth, productivity and good living truly is. They are systemically designed to ensure endentured servitude of the masses, for the benefit of a handful of uber wealthy lords. We are so deeply rooted in the system we cannot even see how sick it is. We feel it, we all do. But we have Stockholm syndrome, and breaking free of such a system or trying to change it while maintaining any quality of life is such a mammoth task, that we relent and continue on with cognitive dissonance and shallow forms of entertainment and false joy. I am guilty of this to... watching this made me feel physically sick for the state of workaholism I continue to operate in. This is not some far-left communist whacko concept... this is fundamentally true.
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Apr 30 '22
We’ve all been gaslit by slick advertising our whole lives. I saw through the bullshit and opted out but only to some extent. I still have engage with a system I cannot alone change and work to make someone else be able to afford a fucking top of the range tesla and fancy lame bullshit he’s gaslit into believing is desirable. Still I only work part time and use my spare time to make stuff myself and help others not have to work to pay for things.
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u/ninpuukamui Apr 30 '22
How do you help them?
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Apr 30 '22
Do their gardening, help them handyman type jobs and give them food I grow.
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u/ninpuukamui May 01 '22
Nice, good for you.
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May 01 '22
Yeah it’s simple stuff and within my capacity. Cutting out the middleman is the important thing. Helping people is it’s own reward
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u/insaneintheblain Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
And the individual - each of us - has this same sickness too.
Edit: you don’t have to like it for it to be true…
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u/Mother_Welder_5272 Apr 30 '22
That's it, the solutions have to be societal. I hate when the solutions are just "learn how to have a different perspective" or "try these breathing exercises on the way to work". No, our society is fundamentally sick, capitalism is failing us, and we need a big solution, not minor personal bandaids.
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u/willowhawk Apr 30 '22
Imagine putting people into situations which cause depression, anxiety and instead of fixing the situation, you just teach them how to cope so they can endure it for longer. Twats!
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u/ComparisonAdvanced98 Apr 30 '22
And you get to experience antidepressants that "cure" your depression/anxiety, which is mainly caused by the way society values its people.
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u/Sigmar_Heldenhammer Apr 30 '22
"try these breathing exercises on the way to work"
I get in my car, take a deep breath and slowly let it out. Then I say "it's suffering time," and head out. This has been my daily routine since COVID started. It made my job 1000 times worse.
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u/grimorg80 Apr 30 '22
Indeed, my friend. At the end of the day, when you strip everything else away, what is left is the divide between individualistic people and communal people. That is the great ideological divide. Individualistic people crave the fairy tale told by capitalism, while communal people see the schizophrenia of capitalism for what it is.
I couldn't care less about giving a name to the alternative, but we must come together to create a new form of governance, where there is no top-down structure. There is no way any human can hold a lot of power and that's a good thing. And I'm thinking about both heads of state and billionaires.
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u/Crestina Apr 30 '22
Circular economy needs a lot of ironing out, but personally I would live very well in a world where every single person gets the basic security of food and housing, means of transport and decent health care, perhaps a few luxuries but not much more.
My time is worth a lot to me. I want to be with my kids, grow veggies, walk in nature, paint watercolours, read books and grow my mind. I've got so much i want to do. And I don't need superyachts and fifteen gold plated bathrooms to do it. I don't believe anyone actually needs that.
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u/grimorg80 Apr 30 '22
And you're correct. Nobody really does. What really bring happiness and serenity in life is healthy relationships and having time to just be. I second your perspective, I would be quite happy with that.
I believe we need radical change achieved via gradual steps. But we need a radically different vision. We can do it. We have to do it. There is no real alternative.
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u/thegodfather0504 Apr 30 '22
And you know what. I think this is the real reason abortion is opposed by them and having babies is encouraged so vehemently. People(especially poor people) who have kids to feed are far more likely to put up with bullshit jobs. More population means more human resources that you can exploit.
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u/depressedbee Apr 30 '22
If we don't show up for these assholes, we can own them....
Looks good on paper, fails miserably in practice. Bonus point for the embarrassment that follows.
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u/SongForPenny Apr 30 '22
To be a billionaire you are required to be a psychopath, prove me wrong.
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u/conscsness Apr 30 '22
No one will be able to. And if there is an attempt, the premise will be consist of fallacies!
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u/SongForPenny Apr 30 '22
Indeed. Let’s say you have $950 million. What do you do now?
Most people will say something like:
“Invest some so that it is sustained. Start a few charitable scholarships. Buy a cool house with 3 swimming pools. Buy a nice place for my elderly mom, and pay for her care, maybe start a no-kill animal shelter ... “ and on and on.
That’s because most people aren’t psychopaths.
But it takes a true psychopath to say: “So I have $950 million? Well I NEED a billion now. And when I get one billion, I will need 5 billion. Once I get to 5 billion, I’ll need more, still’” - that sort of thinking is kind of a prerequisite for becoming a billionaire.
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u/vettewiz Apr 30 '22
How is that psychopathic? It’s common sense to want to achieve more
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u/conscsness Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
Desire to achieve more is psychological corruption, and should be alienated by the society, since the corrupt mind corrupts rest to its submission.
Why is it psychological corruption? Because majority do not exhibit the tendencies to wanting to achieve more, to no end. Despite what the end goal might be.
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u/vettewiz Apr 30 '22
I would argue that a lack of wanting to achieve more is the problem. In general our society is lacking primarily because most have such limited expectations. That is the key problem, not the other way around.
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u/conscsness Apr 30 '22
Perhaps for you to disagree we need to determine what this ‘more’ is and what do we mean by appealing to ‘more’.
Nonetheless, it begs to ask: Is it to achieve materialistic status to overshadow broken and corrupt self-esteem?\ Is it to achieve more ‘stuff’ which again brings back to having more materials?\ Moreover, to what extent and where is the end to this desire of ‘more’?\
Is the end to accumulation of ‘more’ lays before degraded biosphere or after the biosphere collapsed? To achieve more, does it mean to overstep over humility and humanity?\ If so, then it is a psychological corruption since more stuff presupposes a deeper rooted cause. It can be a family trauma, post traumatic syndrome, alienation. Hoarding is also a form of psychological deviation.
Now if you talk about wanting more freedoms, freedom of self expression, more free time and leisure, to find the ultimate meaning of certain individual then perhaps we can agree.
Now if may tackle your premise.
I would argue that a lack of wanting to achieve more is the problem.
What is the problem, to not having the desire to achieve more? Again, define more. If it is material satisfaction, then it is a fallacious reasoning both psychologically and ecologically.
In general our society is lacking primarily because most have such limited expectations.
The society you are referring to, their experience of lacking and such limited expectations? Due to what was it caused? You need to determine the causation in order to argue for the claimed observed effect.
That is the key problem, not the other way around.
The problem is the limited expectation? Again, due to what? What caused the limited expectation to originate in the first place?
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u/vettewiz Apr 30 '22
The goal is to achieve more accomplishments. And yes, much of that is material in nature. There is no limit to that.
The problem is that the average person barely works enough to survive and wastes their capability.
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u/conscsness Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
Thank you for giving more substance to your disagreement.
Very well then. If a desire to achieve more accomplishments ends up in materialistic accumulation that speeds up ecological and social degradation, the no amount of reasoning knots can be twisted to justify such exuberant existence. It must be alienated by the society, just like society would alienate say pedophiles. Because even a pedophilic endeavour can be justified as self accomplishment.
Moreover, to quote you: “the goal is to achieve more accomplishments.” The goal must have a cause to exist, I perhaps speculate that you are going to agree with me. And so, if the causation that creates the goal to achieve more accomplishments in itself springs out of corrupt ideology then it makes the goal, desire, and achievement, corrupt as well.
The problem is that the average person barely works enough to survive and wastes their capability.
Now that is where I would side with you and agree that current work ethics and economic structure are anything but a creation of deficit, scarcity and alienation from self, community and ecology/environment. As a result, these forces create huge sink social holes that corrupt the chances for communities and individuals to self fulfilling betterment (outside of materialistic accumulations). Moreover the very system we all depend on yet criticize corrupt the three fundamental pillars that make freedom. Freedom to move. Freedom to create better society. Freedom to disobey.
We still free to move, sort of. But the other freedoms are taken away.
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u/Noltonn Apr 30 '22
I may not go as far as to say they are all psychopaths, as I don't believe in diagnosing people I don't know, but I will definitely say there's zero moral billionaires. The things you have to do to become one necessitate that you do not listen to your moral compass, whether that's because you lack one or you can ignore yours, either way, same result.
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u/SongForPenny Apr 30 '22
Also, I think some of them have some sort of weird hoarding problem. Like an ant programmed to almost mindlessly bring back sugar all day long. When you get $950 million, and something inside you says "I need even more!" - it seems like there's something 'broken' there. I'd almost feel bad for them, except for the harm they cause others by exploding the wage gap.
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u/TaskForceCausality Apr 30 '22
FFS, we are killing ourselves to make an elite few richer. Why?
In the 1400s, serfs were told to work until pain of death for feudal lords. Why? Because , the church said, their lot would be a reward in the afterlife. So they did as they were told.
In the 21st century the rap hasn’t changed much. Today the message is work until we die, so our kids can live a better life. One day the kids grow up and are told the same thing , yet somehow each generation lives a worse life than the last one. Hmmn……
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u/InHocWePoke3486 Apr 30 '22
Perhaps you can search on a different subreddit that isn't devoted to documentaries 🙃
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u/memyselfandi639 Apr 30 '22
This makes me think on how you hear the older generations constantly criticizing and patronizing millennials with their lazy work ethic.. maybe us millennials and younger generations who refuse to work through our lunch breaks, answer emails after 5, work on the weekends, and work at break neck speeds; maybe by respecting ourselves and our needs we will change this planet in a way that we so desperately need?
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u/kfpswf Apr 30 '22
This makes me think on how you hear the older generations constantly criticizing and patronizing millennials with their lazy work ethic..
The difference is that the definition of work ethics keeps changing between generations.
Every new economic paradigm begins with an aim to make life better for everyone, but then greed takes over starts demanding more and more with the newer efficiency.
Humans developed agriculture, it helped them thrive. Then kings and feudal lords took over, demanding more and more until the peasants were sucked out of their life. Then a new economic paradigm took over, industrialization. It got rid of kings and feudal lords, but in their place came the new breed of untouchables, the oligarchs, and they've pretty much cemented themselves as the only true untouchables since then. We're currently going through the exploitation phase of the new paradigm of technology and science. We either level the playing field again, or burn up in our capitalism induced stupor of relentless consumption and ever increasing growth.
maybe us millennials and younger generations who refuse to work through our lunch breaks, answer emails after 5, work on the weekends, and work at break neck speeds; maybe by respecting ourselves and our needs we will change this planet in a way that we so desperately need?
Here is a comment that I made in an unrelated discussion. The fallacy of modern work ethics is assuming the too much of a thing is always good. Unfortunately, maximizing the desirable (consumption, profits, growth, etc) is the core principle of capitalism. Unless we acknowledge that lifting our foot off the gas and coasting for some time, as against accelerating relentlessly, is actually good for everyone in the long run. But Bezos can't afford a super yacht with that attitude, so off you go slaving away.
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Apr 30 '22
I’m gen x and know lots of milllenials and genz and they all work harder than we did because the cost of living has increased. Every second one has a side hustle, two casual unsecure jobs or is studying and working full time. They just have the access to more information to see how they’re being fucked is all.
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u/Checktheusernombre Apr 30 '22
Genx here and I agree, I feel for the younger folks. While I've been lucky to overwork myself with just one job, I just barely grabbed the vanishing lifeline of that kind of life. The 'gig economy' was just a way to say to the younger crowd, "Sorry one job isn't enough any longer to cover the ever increasing cost of living."
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u/Benjilator Apr 30 '22
I feel like this phenomenon happens because back them people often stayed in one field for a long time and thus mastered a specific task/job
while today it feels as if everyone just works, does their job, not trying to be good at it or doing it well. It’s cutting into quality of life as well (in my area construction work is getting increasingly expensive and slower, even small jobs are super expensive and take up insane amounts of time).
It’s gotten so serious that a plan to replace a water park seemed to work out fine but removing the old water park took much longer than expected and the cost was like 25 times higher than estimated, so all budget for replacing the old and building a new one went into removing the old one. We won’t get a new one anytime soon.
Service industry is also loosing any type of motivation and I can totally understand why.
So many positions are rotating people instead of just keeping one person until they know what they’re doing.
At least in my country most companies hire someone new if they need to fill a position instead of training their own employees.
I’ve basically went years without work until I’ve found a company that tries to fill most higher positions internally, I just can’t work for someone that just sees me as something relatable, I want to be appreciated and educated.
I rarely if ever find people that do their work because of what it does, nobody is invested anymore. Obviously I don’t want old times back where your job was your life but I feel like we lack so much motivation to get better at our jobs and thus everyone just performs as needed instead of trying to improve every day.
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u/cerr221 Apr 30 '22
The older generation couldn't work on weekends as easily because that meant receiving a very loud phone call on your landline phone out of usual work hours and/or having to travel to your workplace to actually perform the tasks.
'Overwork'/Overtime was thus mandatory for (police comes to mind as an example) or sought after (business for example) by a much smaller subset of the population.
The older generation lived at a time where working 9-5 in a factory or in service meant you had enough income to be considered upper-middle class or at the very least, lower middle, and that was enough back then.
It's hard for those who experienced this 'Boom' to grasp the fact that this is no longer the case; workers in many fields that used to be viable 50 years ago, now barely make enough to afford to buy a small house house or they struggle to even pay back their student loans.
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Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
Dad was a cop. I struggled in my late 20's through my 30's (prime earning years) with a drug addiction and lived with the folks for a time. Dad always yapped to get into a company with a pension, go to Home Depot (I am an admin assistant type) and this was before high speed Internet and all that shit. This was also a tiny town in north central Arkansas that had barely any jobs available anyway. Ended up in a soul-crushing collection gig for the county hospital (very poor people living outside of the town, made me feel like shit every day). Dad, things aren't like when you grew up and it's even worse for Millenials/Gen Z than us X'ers who at least had pages of classified ads to mull through and most jobs offered EXCELLENT health and other benefits as well as a living wage. It went poof when I got into drugs, and coming out of that back into straight life and trying to navigate the way things are now is tough. That's why I WFH doing something very easy and at least make over $12 an hour, plus its part time. I will NOT dress up in clothes I never wear outside of work and load my ass on the ghetto bus just to work ever again. I'm way too old for that shit.
edit: right as the pandemic hit I was at a position at a cafeteria table manufacturer serving mostly schools. They remained open, and my job was to help write up quotes which meant also determining how product would fit on a truck and what carrier we would use. Which sucked ass because I am not a shipping clerk and that was way too difficult for my pay grade. The insurance sucked (WHY don't they tell you up front what plan they offer!?!?) and I decided to bail. Best thing I ever did because I imagine logistics today is more of a PTA than ever, and they shipped shit to ALASKA. Plus I don't think many schools are in the market for new cafeteria tables given the school-from-home we're just getting out of.
edit2: also worked for a company where I asked if I could add some hours in the afternoon and do work from home (it was just transcription work). They balked, saying the client was keen on security and didn't want emails going back and forth blah blah blah. Guess they changed their tune quickly with the pandemic because their newly renovated offices (hahaha) were closed the whole time. This pandemic really exposed the bullshit companies CLAIN to not be able to do to accommodate employees.
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u/madhura1599 Apr 30 '22
Its just few people in the West trying to save their lifestyle or living well above their means and on credit, Work has drastically reduced for millions elsewhere in the developing world majority of whom have transformed from working subsistence agriculture to manufacturing and service economy jobs with much higher and constant source of income along with other benefits. There are only finite resources in the world and Asians economies are quickly gathering pace to compete for these resources which might obstruct many in the West from continuing their opulent lifestyle due to higher prices on resources or the lack of it. Next few decade should balance out income inequality between nations while drastically increasing income inequality inside nations.
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u/tybjj Apr 30 '22
To answer the question, I would say its because some of us cannot see work in their inbox and not do something about it, and as the market is an environment of competition, everyone else must do the same.
With the advancement of technology, tasks that would take days or weeks to come back to us takes seconds... So there is always work to do. Imagine printing a report and adding it to the pile on your boss desk.... Now he preview on Outlook and gives you feedback immediately.
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u/PM_ME_GINGER_PUBES Apr 30 '22
My job before last started just before covid became a more seriously taken thing. As covid accelerated, due to the nature of the industry (logistics) I ended up averaging 11-12 hour days 6 days a week, graveyard shift, and for a while I was working fucking alone overnight in a trailer yard and warehouse due to lack of staff. It was the single most insane and worst thing I've dealt with. By the end of it I was a husk of a person ready to drive into oncoming traffic just to make it go away.
Plus I nearly died several times. Not fucking worth it.
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
I hope you've found yourself a role that is much more bearable and humane, good sir. That sounds horrific... and I know that reality all too well. No job is worth ending one's life over, even if it feels unbearable...
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u/FragrantExcitement Apr 30 '22
Almost dying is a footnote? That really is a terrible job.
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u/PM_ME_GINGER_PUBES Apr 30 '22
It's a hazardous work environment and I regularly did unsafe things, and was also constantly exhausted and operating tractor trailers with very very little sleep. In fairness, that's pretty much on me. I should have said fuck it and walked
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u/Nauin Apr 30 '22
It was well before COVID but I can relate so hard to the actual torture being forced to work alone for long periods of time with no human interaction can cause, especially when you're in an environment clearly designed for group work.
Like, I'm autistic, we're somewhat built for isolation, and even I couldn't put up with it in the work scenarios I experienced it in. It can be inhumane.
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u/baumpop Apr 30 '22
I fuckin love working alone. I actually prefer it but sometimes yeah you need to move heavy shit. Wish there was a robot to help me but instead I get to listen to a boomer who won't ever retire tell me I'm a commie or some shit.
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u/Nauin Apr 30 '22
Oh yeah for the most part I do, too. But I guess I need people to be nearby in an ambient sense. I was fine until somewhere in month three where I realized I was only speaking 3-12 words a day and starting to lose the social skills I'd spent years working my ass off to gain, and it just crushed me. I was supposed to be part of a team of three people and I had to pick up the slack for the two empty positions during that time, it was a lot.
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u/GraphicDesignMonkey Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
I have Asperger's, when I was my own one-person marketing/design apartment for 5 years it was great. It was an open office so I could still talk to my coworkers when I wanted to. I had my own system for planning stuff, got everything done ahead of time, even managed to massively increased the company social media and online presence. When they brought in a load of new managers, I suddenly had two bosses who micro-managed, interfered, sat literally knee-to-knee with me at my desk for entire workdays, changed my system, talked down to me, and took credit for all my own ideas and work. I was physically and mentally smothered, frustrated, stressed and pissed off all the time.
I burnt out and quit that job within a year of their arrival.
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u/MunchieMom Apr 30 '22
Not anywhere close to your situation but just to illustrate how bad the problem is, I work in marketing and our workload tripled during COVID. All our clients were rescheduling meetings and sending out COVID updates every day. The clients weren't even thankful, they became even more emotionally abusive (probably taking out their COVID fears on us). I would work straight through lunch for days on end and just lay in bed and cry after the work day was over
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u/r3dmist420 Apr 30 '22
I worked as a supervisor for inbound merch in a macys warehouse for 11 years until the pandemic really set in. We would get soul crushing amounts of product.. Spent many many nights in pain from a solid 7 years of pulling 10-12 hour days as you said 6-7 days a week. Except, did it for 7 years. I STILL hurt from that shit, and quit them 2 years ago. Often times even going 13 days in a row (the max they allow before forcing a day off) thankfully, I learned I at least needed a day off a week to do my damn laundry and get supplies. Literally felt like I was just living to work.
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u/PM_ME_GINGER_PUBES Apr 30 '22
Yup. Soul crushing amounts of product for sure. One summer past there was a heat wave (I live in part of the us where that's rare and nobody has ac) and full 28 foot trailers of portable ac units were coming in. You would open them and a tsunami of nearly 100 pound boxes would pour out. You had to pop the door and jump out of the way.
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u/Shjco Apr 30 '22
You must not live in New York State- the maximum days before you must take 24 hours off is 19 there.
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u/BalrogPoop May 01 '22
How the fuck did you do that for 7 years without looking for another job?
I'd walk out of a job like that after maybe a week tops.
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u/r3dmist420 May 01 '22 edited May 01 '22
Well, It was never mandatory for the hours, I actually worked for the place for 11 years overall, but the last 7 had “moved up”..Sadly, I considered myself lucky to be able to work for the meager pay when the overtime came into the picture. I needed the money, and was coming out of deep debt as well as was saving to get my own place and on my own feet. I liked them for job security, and as far as looking for another job, I had a criminal history and back then it was hard to get a job with it, plus for a while had my license suspended so I was lucky I knew people there for rides. It sucked but, the paths aren’t always easy🥹
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u/BalrogPoop May 01 '22
Understandable! Sounds like you made the best of a bad situation and did what you had to!
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u/aspitz24 May 22 '22
I just really want to say how proud I am of you for seemingly not only owning mistakes you made in your past, and also still achieving your goals to be the person you wanted to be. I know this may sound like a weird reply to make, but it seems we’ve ran into some of the same issues that impacted us job opportunity wise- you took the hard but correct road to get yourself back on your feet. I tried every shortcut in the book to avoid facing that the reason what was really going on and it cost me so many years of my 20s. Sigh.
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u/Aryako Apr 30 '22
“Immense harm is done by the belief that work is virtuous”.
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u/willowhawk Apr 30 '22
Inject that into my veins. For so long I’ve complained that there are so many people who struggling find meaning in their life, compare themselves to others and need to feel successful, are scared of their parents not being proud. That they go through a job and work hard just so they can have these needs “met” even though it makes them unhappy.
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u/Muggaraffin Apr 30 '22
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with working that finds meaning tbh. Working just so you can say “I work hard” is kinda stupid yeah. But if it’s good and valuable work that genuinely benefits society (or even an individual), then I think that’s fairly valid
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u/Nathan_hale53 Apr 30 '22
I work a very physical job and got in a debate with a friend/co-worker that I'd quit working at least a demanding 40hr+ a week job if I won the lottery. Not only did he say he'd keep working full time, he will keep voluntarily work Over time and when I said get some hobbies after he said he wouldn't know what to do, he said work was his hobby.
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u/Aryako Apr 30 '22
Recently had a conversation with my Greek neighbour about this issue. A lovely pleasant generous man, migrated to Australia as a young man and all he did was working. The only time he travelled was when he went back to get married. Now he is in his 80s with many diseases and full bag of drugs. Sure financially he achieved a lot, but never enjoyed it. Even his family is dysfunctional since he never had time for them.
He said it himself all that for what?
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u/Nathan_hale53 Apr 30 '22
By then it's too late to change anything. This co-worker is only 21, just had a kid and got married last year.
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Apr 30 '22
I had a similar conversation with a colleague a few days ago. He commented that travel would get old after awhile. That's a boredom I'd be willing to experience. Get tired of it, do a bit of volunteer work, etc. Such a rough life to lead.
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Apr 30 '22
I don't think you friend/co-worker is wrong. I think we all need to understand that we're all the minority in some way or another.
My biggest complaint is when people assume that their own worldview is the only worldview.
Yeah, I realize that some people can work 60 hour work weeks and enjoy it. That's not the problem. The problem is that I can do 40 on a good week, and less on a bad week. And a bad week is like, every other week.
But try to talk about that online? Bring on the gaslighters who understand your own subjective experience better than you do somehow.
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u/Twin_Nets_Jets Apr 30 '22
Are they calling you lazy for not being able to work that much every week?
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Apr 30 '22
For even suggesting that people should have the opportunity to work fewer hours, even.
All the older folk say they wasted their lives working themselves to the bone without stopping to smell the roses.
While simultaneously refusing to give anyone additional mental health/family/side hustle/personal education time.
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u/abrandis Apr 30 '22
It's "virtuous" for the ownership class that reap in the rewards of everyone's labor. There's nothing wrong with work per se, it's simply how it's value is distributed .
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u/CicadaProfessional76 Apr 30 '22
“Overwork is damaging our planet”
Good grief, so predictable yet so disappointing. So much hyperbole and nonsense in so few words
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Have you watched the documentary? It is of course more nuanced than that, and it does go deeper in terms of the history of work and paid labour, as well as the current insanity of our system.
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u/ShiningSparky Apr 30 '22
I take it this is NOT a documentary about the excellent series of racing games then?
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u/butterbike Apr 30 '22
The mode where you had to drive over a ramp into a petrol tanker or whatever and cause the most amount of damage possible was sick
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u/noyoto Apr 30 '22
This is the prequel to the racing series. People only sign up to bet their lives on high speed bumper cars after they collapse under the stress of work.
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u/Damndude-_- Apr 30 '22
I’m blessed to work in Western Europe, working for a listed company with some 5k workers. Since the job market is so tricky for companies I’ve seen work become so much more flexible, and off time so much more abundant. Not only the job market, but our collective work contract is negotiated each year by professionals with our board. We now have unlimited off days, a paid 3 month sabbatical every 5 years etc. What I’m saying is: once you unite yourself and make clear that the bottom line is also your priority, but you convince the board that more hours ≠ more profit you have a chance to improve your job satisfaction while creating a better life-work balance.
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u/RomeNeverFell Apr 30 '22
Bullshit, I also live in WE and what you're doing is straight up gatekeeping.
A regulated job market is good for those who are already in employment and sucks dick for anybody who has to enter or re-enter it. And never-mind the economic deadweight loss imposed on the whole economy, which lowers productivity and wages.
That's why the US' job market is so dynamic, unemployment structurally low, and still net wages so much higher than in Europe.
In my sector, finance, junior workers start with laughable salaries and are fired unless they work stupidly long hours. While senior managers do jackshit all day and just delegate because they know it's incredibly hard to fire them.
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u/noyoto Apr 30 '22
I for one am quite happy to live in WE, working 32h weeks as a junior worker, having no student debt and never fearing homelessness or towering medical bills.
WE definitely has its issues, but I'm fairly sure the odds of having a decent quality of life are way higher here than in the U.S.
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u/RomeNeverFell Apr 30 '22
working 32h weeks as a junior worker
Wow you must be working in the public sector, about to be fired, or living in La-La land. I don't know of anybody in an associate position who doesn't work overtime.
And still, you earn a fraction of what an American younger than you is making (yes net of taxes, benefits and costs). If you don't find that depressing.
never fearing homelessness
Wtf are you talking about, many EU countries have higher homelessness per capita than the US. Moreover, many cities in Europe have unreasonably high rents, you probably spend more than 1/3 of your income on housing.
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u/noyoto Apr 30 '22
I don't work in the public sector, but I do live in NL which on average has one of the shortest workweeks in the world. Most of my American friends struggle to make ends meet, work beyond 40 hours with perhaps 1/3 the vacation days I have. On top of that I never have to worry about staying home sick, because that's covered.
You are correct about the high rent. That's the biggest problem affecting me, although that's also a problem in many popular U.S. cities.
If I was wealthy or guaranteed a top notch job, I'd gladly move to the United States. But living in the U.S. with my education and skillset, I'm positive I'd be having a way tougher time. I'd work longer hours, be less insured and would likely live in a worse building/area or have to commute much longer.
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u/RomeNeverFell Apr 30 '22
I don't work in the public sector, but I do live in NL which on average has one of the shortest workweeks in the world.
Yeah man I also studied and worked in the NL for 6 years and I can tell you it's heaven on earth for that. Barely ever had to work overtime.
But even in Germany or Italy it's very much a different story. Much longer working hours for a similar wage.
Most of my American friends struggle to make ends meet, work beyond 40 hours
Tbh Idk of anybody who works less than that.
And, still, going beyond your anecdote it's a statistical fact that wages net of everything are higher in the US.
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u/Damndude-_- Apr 30 '22
Well, it sounds like we live in different realities. I’m also in finance but don’t have that experience at all. I started working 3 years ago for 3.5k before taxes and make double that now. It’s not a huge amount but enough I’d say. Maybe you chose the hard way up (consulting, big 4 type company), I didn’t and started working as a specialist from the start. In The Netherlands id like to add.
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u/RomeNeverFell Apr 30 '22
I started working 3 years ago for 3.5k before taxes and make double that now.
Yeah cause 3.5k before taxes is very much a laughable salary in the NL. That was my net salary in Adam in my first job (at ING, three years ago funnily enough).
And, still, the net salary in the US for the same position would have been way higher.
Also, after working in other countries I realised the working culture in the NL is much more relaxed, so that might be an exception.
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u/hamster12102 Apr 30 '22
How are we possibly working more than ever, producing more definitely, idk about working. 99% of office workers are not working harder than the coal miners of previous generations.
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u/dutchmangab Apr 30 '22
Working more and harder are not the same tho. More has to do with time and diversity of tasks, hard has to do with mental or physical demands.
Those mineworkers? Physically.. Absolutely, it's brutally hard work. Mentally? I don't know about that.
My stepmom used to do physical work in a warehouse (heavy lifting, cold storage, etc.)and transitioned to office work. She thinks the office work is a lot harder because of the mental demands of the work. With the physical work she did not have to think much. Now she has to think and worry at work 8-12 hours a day.
I still think those mineworkers worked harder, but that doesn't mean administrative or digital jobs aren't 'hard'.
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u/ynwahs Apr 30 '22
How many hours a week did hunter- gatherers work? Answer: like 15.
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u/canhasdiy Apr 30 '22
Source: trust me, bro.
How exactly are you defining "work" in this context? Hunter gatherers spent the majority of their waking hours either searching for food or avoiding becoming food, sounds like work to me.
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u/archetype776 Apr 30 '22
Don't think thag guy knows how hard it used to be to simply cook a meal (for example). Yeah might only be 15 hours at "work", but literally every other daily taks takes a ton of effort.
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u/ynwahs May 02 '22
I'm defining work by what anthropologists have found both in historical and present day hunter-gatherer societies. But sure. Keep talkin out yo ass.
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u/canhasdiy May 03 '22
Lol yea you're the one thinking cavemen had a better life than you do, but I'm the one talking out of their ass.
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u/ynwahs May 03 '22
When did I say they had a better life than me? Because I said they had to work less than our society requires of us? Do you think I think that's the only metric for "good life?" Are you capable of talking to people without engaging in logical fallacies?
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Apr 30 '22
And then we have the latest brand of consultants, who will calculate just how much you can overwork your employees when you intentionally short-staff your business to save money.
Sure, the quality will go downhill as people get increasingly more disgruntled but there’s no metric for that so let’s not think about it
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Ouch, right in the truth organ. There is a special place in hell for those who make a living from consultancy where they advocate toxic management principles, overly lean organisational structures and inhumane business processes.
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Apr 30 '22
It's like everybody has just given up on accepting responsibility for making sure society runs in a manner that's not outright harmful, in favor of worshiping on their hands and knees in front of the almighty money dollar shrine or some shit.
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u/Twin_Nets_Jets Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
It's like everybody has just given up on accepting responsibility for making sure society runs in a manner that's not outright harmful, in favor of worshiping on their hands and knees in front of the almighty money dollar shrine or some shit.
I can believe this. I recently bought a house and so many people have asked me if I plan to rent out the extra room we have. It's like they can't accept that I don't want to make money off of my house
I want to live here. It’s not a damn business opportunity
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u/lostmyselfinyourlies Apr 30 '22
These people are fucking sociopaths. They're the reason there's an epidemic of mental health problems. Fucking nurses are burning out in the midst of a pandemic, but so is pretty much every other person of working class because we are being drained of every last one of value by these fucks. Being gaslit by management into thinking we should be grateful to be treated like shit.
Every single minimum wage worker should go on strike at the same time, then we'd see who has the power to make or break the economy.
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u/apudgypanda Apr 30 '22
Unions are making a comeback. If they become widespread enough to the point where 50% of the US workforce is a union member, general strikes become possible. Then real change will happen again.
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u/baumpop Apr 30 '22
We fuckin shut the whole world down by not going to work for like 3 weeks. NOBODY seems to remember.
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u/Spidremonkey Apr 30 '22
My grocery bills remember.
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u/baumpop Apr 30 '22
Runaway inflation and profiteering is how they are regaining what they lost and more. They're also reminding us which boot is on which neck.
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u/Atrave Apr 30 '22
You say this, but we're unionized and can+are being 'forced' to work 5 12's\week in bullshit conditions. The concept of unions are great, however each one is different
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u/bedroom_fascist Apr 30 '22
This is not really a complex problem: our society is set up for the rich and powerful to exploit the rest of us. Until people start saying "no, fuck you," it will perpetuate.
Edit: ... and we're on Reddit (yes, all of us) we're not really saying 'no.' I'm not holier than thou; I'm typing this on a big screen TV as monitor, listening to my colored vinyl indie rock, in my oversized house. Narcosis.
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u/SassafrassPudding Apr 30 '22
as per my usual, commenting before consuming content. to make it work, our economic engine needs to not be consider-driven. so much waste is created just to keep things moving
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Oh man, I feel you... very similar work situation. I don't have children to support, but I also don't have any security net in my life, and I help look after my mother and siblings. It's hard to keep going at this pace, and I'm so scared of falling and hitting that burnout breakdown point. 🙁 I hope for your sake something better comes along soon to help alleviate that stress and burden. Sending much love!
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u/LongLongMan_TM Apr 30 '22
Take it from someone, who took the "risk" to become a freelancer. There are always better ways to sustain your live.
Your current job has a decent pay, yes? Are there other places that could give you an equally or even better paid position all while not having to suffer from burnout? 100%ly yes. What is stopping you from looking into something else? Shouldn't it be already beneficial to you to just not get burned out? Who cares about a 100, 200, or even a 500 currency a month more if it means you live miserable. Does our health not count? Is dollar the only thing that gives us "happiness"?
I went the route of freelancing when most people told me it's soo difficult and risky (no unemployment benefits, no pension/retirement, always on the hunt for more work etc.). However, in the end I'm not only earning way more, I also live way stress free (all that corporate bullshit like "visibilty", ass kissing, HR promotion discussions etc. all are gone)
I'm aware that not everyone can do freelancing as I did, but even in the corporate world you can always change things up.
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u/LongLongMan_TM Apr 30 '22
Good on you, for actually trying to change your position. I'm sure you'll eventually get a better job. Also, you shouldn't regret that you didn't accept the inferior offer. You did well by listening to your gut feeling. In my experience, guts often give solid advice 😁
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u/CokeNmentos Apr 30 '22
I think there's a key distinction to make between overwork, and working hard if you have your drive to do so. For me if I've found drive to do something I don't really feel like I'm working at all and it's alot easier mentally .
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u/mathmagician9 Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
There’s a lot of topics not talked about here. * Motivation vs self discipline * Peer pressure * Seeing boundaries and effective communication. They did talk about financial security, which can provide confidence to do this * Context switching * Internet addiction
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u/LovelyDayHere Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
As a civilization, we overwork because the financial system is set up so that people do not really own the fruits of their labor, much work is not fairly compensated, nor are people usually enabled to own what they need to establish an equilibrium where they can live without being overworked.
The researcher in the video, David Frayne, who said it's an economic problem and people do it because "they have to", is correct. People do it because they're forced to in order to survive.
We have the tools at our disposal now to change that, but the vested interests of the current system will fight against a change of the status quo every step of the way.
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u/memnactor Apr 30 '22
I quit my job a month ago. Just walked out after ten years. Haven't answered any calls from them yet.
I just fucking had enough. Felt exactly like finally ending a horrible relationship.
Fuck em.
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u/redditindisguise Apr 30 '22
Good for you! What’s the plan now? Do you lose health insurance?
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u/memnactor Apr 30 '22
Luckily I have had the opportunity to put a bit of money away so I'll take a break and figure out how I can use the skills I acquired at my horrible workplace.
I actually do lose health insurance, but I live in Europe so that is no worry.
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u/MidDayGamer Apr 30 '22
My last job during the pandemic was the worst. I left home depot due to having to cover multiple departments cause of lack of workers and then got yelled at cause my department looked bad.
Final straw was an email sent saying my area was unacceptable.....and I had to zone another area. I went to the back, told a boss I quit and left.
New job now is great and I love it.
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u/Infamous780 Apr 30 '22
I am tired. My eyes itch some days from being unable to get enough sleep trying to balance everything on my plate. Hopefully my kid has it better.
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u/Unnoticedlobster Apr 30 '22
Burnout is definitely real. When I was a CNA working in nursing home I qas forced numerous times to do double shifts due to others not showing up for their shifts all the time. It got to the point I just quit.
Now working in pest control amd isn't too bad but starting to feel it slowly creeping up.
I honestly think the concept of working for the big man is fking ridiculous and I just wish with this life that I have I could find something easy on my body and more relaxed. But nope, the fact I didn't go the ol college route, only good with my hands means I am forced I to this position.
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u/WarbleDarble Apr 30 '22
Gotta admit. I thought someone would have rejected the premise of the title. We are not working more than ever. The average worker is working fewer hours than in the past. I’ve also seen a study that I can’t find right now, but we are also spending more time with family than in the past.
You can argue for better conditions in the present, but you don’t need to distort what the past was like to argue for it.
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u/redditindisguise Apr 30 '22
I have to assume they mean the most recent past generations like Baby Boomers and the Silent Generation.
My parents are boomers and growing up middle class I watched them come home after working a 9–5 and not bring their work home with them.
My dad actually got one of his companies to allow them to not work Fridays. He’s worked random jobs his whole life, from factory management gigs, account management, to painting lines in roads, to working for the state lottery.
He told me as an account manager in the late 80s there was no rush to do any work. You’d get back to your clients days or even weeks later. Then in the early 90s things started getting competitive and you couldn’t put your feet up on the desk anymore.
With the power of compound interest and favorable savings account interest rates, my parents are millionaires now.
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u/WarbleDarble Apr 30 '22
But we are working less than Boomers and the Silent Generation. It's in the data I linked.
You can't say "we're working more than ever" when hours worked is on a downward trend for the last 150 years.
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Apr 30 '22
rubs lantern
genie appears
Me: "I wish for the power to end overwork"
poof
Me: "a gun and a copy of the communist manifesto?"
Genie: "educate yourself, organize, and [redacted]"
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u/canhasdiy Apr 30 '22
Lol imagine honestly thinking communism doesn't overwork people.
Ever wonder why the symbols on the USSR flag are a hammer and sickle and not a paintbrush and GameBoy?
Also look up "gulags"
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u/indoildguy Apr 30 '22
When money values reach states as now caused by hyper inflation we have to catch up or be lagging economically. So things are driven to new heights.
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u/striderwhite Apr 30 '22
Working more than ever? In the '800s many people had to work 16 hours a day...if you're working more than that you are a fool or a slave.
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u/toastedmallow Apr 30 '22
I've pushed myself to be at a point in my life, that's better off than most.. Im not happy, I've been burnt out for the last 4 years but keep going. I just turned 30 yesterday. I want to stop at times but I would have to give up everything I built for myself. I feel I've made my career grave and not much I can do about it. I can barely leave the house, no social media, it's all just too much. I use to be so happy and excited about life and goals, but now I have weed and booze and an lonely semi okay life. But at what cost? Having a garage full of passions and projects and love for what I use to do but can't bring myself to go down and touch anything. Outside work my motivation is stripped from me. I guess I hope that one day I'll find that part of me that enjoyed life and ignite a spark.
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u/AkashaEn Apr 30 '22
This makes me sad. You deserve a better life. Can you quit and take some time for yourself? Can you take a sabbatical? Dude, no job or money is worth life misery. What’s the point????
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u/toastedmallow May 01 '22
I've taken 2 month break and a 1 month break in the last 3 years. Also had a 1 week stay in mental hospital. My work has unlimited pto. And are willing to work with me but my mind is broken. Even taking time, I still find myself in a similar mental situation. But it has gotten better.. This week I will finally take my project car's motor to a new shop. And trying to get out and ride my bike and exercise. Something 3 month ago me wouldn't even think to do. Thanks for your reply, I do deserve a better life.. And I hope you know you do as well. Cheers!
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u/dogmom34 May 02 '22
This week I will finally take my project car's motor to a new shop. And trying to get out and ride my bike and exercise. Something 3 month ago me wouldn't even think to do.
Good for you. I hope you enjoy every second of it. Even if you didn't have a job and weren't burnt out, you'd still deserve to enjoy your passions as a living and breathing human being. Hang in there!
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u/xyloplax Apr 30 '22
We are losing people, especially management, and I'm getting battlefield promotions to take up the work. Too old to get a new job easily and too young to retire. I keep up with what I can. My new boss is a VP who answers maybe 1/3rd of my emails, and others have the same experience. He's not lazy from what I hear, he's also overwhelmed. I really should get a new job no matter how hard it might be.
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u/revertiblefate Apr 30 '22
I work as an IT and im so thankful that my work is easy and most of the time idle.
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Pray tell, what kind of IT work? I'm contemplating skilling up in that field to give myself more options and future-proof myself, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to where to begin (what pays well, where the demand is, what I might enjoy, what is relatively future-proof from automation, etc.?).
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u/stalkmyusername Apr 30 '22
Because since 1971 we don't have gold standard and central banks can devalue our currency as much as they want and pumping equities.
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Actually, fair point... this is one element of the conversation that is missing from the documentary, and warrants mentioning. The Money Masters is an excellent documentary exploring this!
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u/Nomandate Apr 30 '22
FYI Self employment is a TRAP. All of the sudden… you find you are surrounded by your work and an obligation to get things done. Time off? Not a thing. Vacations? HA! No not often. I do make an equivalent income to a well paying job but… I’d probably trade it all for a job in similar industry where I could clock out at 5 and not think of it again until 8 the next day.
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u/JPGer Apr 30 '22
At this point i have no problem with other people being lazy as long as it doesn't make me or others have to work harder to pick up the slack. Stop doing little extras its not worth it, Do the minimum u need for the job and keep at it. Coworker at new spot i had was very excited and motivated to do the job, kept doing 110% and doing a little extra....a few months into it, hes the one they would go for to ask extra shit constantly, it finally got to the point he just stopped doing extra and got mad everytime he was asked for more. I only worked as hard as i was ready to for the next 10 years, and they barely ask me for shit.
I keep reading how efficiency among workers has gone up while wages have barely moved, i say take back the productivity/efficiency until companies have earned it.
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
As someone who is slowly learning this lesson the hard way, I understand.... I feel a sense of obligation/responsibility/pride in being able to actually help my customers/clients/colleagues, to make sure things are done to a certain standard and that things are actually resolved. But 90% of workers don't, and with under-resourcing rampant, one can only do so much in a day. When you start getting in trouble for "over-servicing clients" (i.e. not just passing the buck to someone else, and ensuring they receive an actual resolution), and you're constantly struggling to keep up with the workload, and management simply will not hire adequate staff or invest in practical softwaresolutions, the insanity of this corporate dynamic leaves you with no option but to comply by also only doing the bare minimum... it's quite depressing and disheartening.
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u/dogmom34 May 02 '22
Stop doing little extras its not worth it, Do the minimum u need for the job and keep at it.
There's a name for this: Quiet Quitting
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u/diceberg Apr 30 '22
Adrian Tanner is the filmmaker. His work is incredible.
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Absolutely!! This may seem a superficial topic from the documentary title (derrr?) but this truly is an issue worldwide that has a very multifaceted and systemic basis. Tanner's dissection of the issues at hand is a fabulous exploration into why and how this came about, and encourages the audience to think beyond about future ramifications, and what the purpose of labour/income is in the greater scheme of life.
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u/DundunDun123GASP Apr 30 '22
I remember being short staffed when I used to do warehouse worker/driving. All because of a fucking consultant “he(I) can do X work within Y hours” . I ended being the ONLY driver to wake up an 3:30am and getting out of work around 4-5pm because of them. I even had to skip lunch sometimes because people kept “forgetting” to add things to the list so I was always in a rush to go to the warehouse and back.
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u/drewd2020 Apr 30 '22 edited Apr 30 '22
Hi from Australia where this is well and truly happening! I had hoped the pandemic had had some positive in the sense people would realise work isn't everything but I'm not sure it has...
There's so much more to do, to love and see and reap more rewards from than just sitting in an office or wherever all day every day and slaving when you know in a heart beat you'll be replaced easily.
Also add the fact that the older generation didn't have to work as many hours compared to how we need more than 1 job to have some level of "savings" and or a life.
Incomes at least in Australia haven't kept up with inflation and cost of living. My parents bought a decent house and block for $20k all up. They were able to pay it off with 10 years salary equivalent. Now you're talking a 35+ year home loan equivalent to wages / salary and house prices here in Australia are mostly in the $500k-$1m mark in most liveable areas with jobs, opportunities and facilities most people need and desire to live a "normal" life.
Then there's the whole "HR industry" as I call it. Woeful and over paid people who make you do a "match the shape that comes next" or "what is the answer of x + y" for even simple mushroom picking roles. I've had this so many times it's like c'mon I just want a foot in the door not 100 god awful questions about math or something complex as hell for entry level jobs.
Then there's the paperwork side. Human Resources making you fill in a 50+ page "bible" of paperwork just to get started!
Then there's the constant hawk eye and micro management. Look the wrong way at someone for a 1/16th second and you'll be hauled over the coals for harassment. Click the wrong web link by accident linked off a work website and suddenly you've breached some giant IT rule in the workplace you didn't even know about and threatened with warnings or more. Yes these things I've seen, for real, in Australian work places I've been in. And these people are paid more than the managers in most cases as they're untouchable "consultants" who have probably never worked an ordinary job in their lives but parachute in via who they know or suck up to.
Why and when did the world become so madly over complicated and over demanding when it comes to work and how much we need to work to get anywhere near a decent standard of living?
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u/margiiiwombok Apr 30 '22
Aussie here. Can confirm... honestly, I could not concur more. It's absolute insanity and it permeates every industry.
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Aussie also. I tend to agree but I’d say said consultants have the same kinds of middle management also and are probably fucked in an “i work so I can own a fancy car” kinda way. These arseholes probably do 50 hours a week too, but I agree they’re some of the worst parts of neocapitalism. There’s a doco somewhere I think about how consultancy is destroying the knowledge base of many industries but I can’t remember where I saw it.
I’m one of the last people who’ll buy a country home at only 3x my annual wage cost. It’ll take a while to pay off but I’m one of the luckiest people in the world in that I followed my dreams and somehow get to live it. I was also recently given a pay rise, which has been all but swallowed by cost of living increases but at least I’m not worse off.
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u/Shaunair Apr 30 '22
The single stupidest thing I hear adult humans in America say these days is “no one wants to work anymore.” Fucking what ? Not only have we traditionally been one of the hardest working people on the planet, but we do it for less pay, less time off, and less benefits than any other developed country.
The same idiots that say that sentence are soooo close to approaching the actual issue which is “no one wants to work for hot garbage wages and quality of life anymore.”
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u/maxrenob Apr 30 '22
I do think our culture pushes us more and more towards burnout. But are we really working more than ever? I would much rather be working today than 100 years ago.
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u/spamowsky May 01 '22
Is it bad that I like to spend extra time at work just because a have an empty house to return to?
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u/TOMapleLaughs May 01 '22
All these advocates are using, wearing and communicating with products that are made in a factory abroad. The products still need to be made in their work-free utopia, and they themselves admitted automation isn't coming to stop that. So... ???
The parks depicted would be quite overwhelmed when everyone alluvasudden invades them whilst not working on sunny days. Restful? Or just inevitable greenish people-flled hell holes?
There are scenes depicting people in a state of sleep or zen, and that would only be true if they were all drugged daily, or just too dumb to notice things. The scene in which there are activists hitting the streets would be more common. As when taken off the job, educated, undrugged people will look at their surroundings and start to complain about the situation. Honestly, this is one of the main reasons why work life was created. The alternative was being sent to war.
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u/eddyparkinson May 01 '22
What happened to work life balance in the US. Does the US have some good work life balance laws?
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u/PaddyW663 Jun 09 '22
So weird but the documentary just been removed from youtube
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u/margiiiwombok Jun 09 '22
Oh damn! 😕 Why? It wasn't even controversial...
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u/PaddyW663 Jun 10 '22
I have no idea.
Just found it i think on another random website though.
https://www.dokbox.tv/video/32058-burnout-the-truth-about-work/episode/0/0
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u/JennyIsSmelly Apr 30 '22
This YouTube channel can have some great documentaries. Good suggestion of what to watch next, thank you.