r/Drifting • u/Ars_and_Em_223zz • 3d ago
Driftscussion Best stock car to learn how to drift
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u/Th3yca11mej0 JZX100/ Foxbody 3d ago
350z or an E36/E46 but those are not new cars. If you want to drift you need to purchase a used car and modify it. What you are looking for does not exist and you’ll need to learn how to work on cars
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 3d ago
Understood. Guess my first drift car will also be my first project car. Preciate you g.
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u/diabeticjones 3d ago
BRZ/FRS/86
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u/dependablefelon 3d ago
best car to start that would be brand new
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u/diabeticjones 3d ago
I don’t do drift events exactly but oh boy, when it rains I’ll take my stock 86 sliding all over the work parking lot!
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 2d ago
Thats what the car is called?!! Preciate you esse. I have been wondering what that car called. Prolly on my top 10 favorites.
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u/diabeticjones 2d ago
To be more exact: Subaru BRZ Toyota 86 Scion FR-S
All have the same FA20 Subaru engine, they are the same car under neath
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u/cobrajuicyy 2d ago
Z’s do not drift good straight out of the box. Shit front suspension and tons of sensors make them hard to slide without modification
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u/DiceyRice_ 3d ago
Get a RWD manual car you enjoy and learn how to drive, handle, and work on it. Learn the in and outs of that car. Then drift.
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u/mr_j_12 3d ago
"i want to drift straight outta dealership" unless you have a lot of money, DO...NOT....DO.... THIS
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u/TastefulTriumph4261 3d ago
You won’t find anything that works straight out of the box from a dealership. You might be able to pick up someone else’s drift car, but that’s a whole other can of worms.
Be ready to learn how to work on your car. E36/46 is good and cheap but they’re a BITCH to work on. I’d stick to z33/g35 for ease of repair. S13/s14 is also incredibly easy to work on, but mostly just overpriced at this point. I started with not knowing shit and now I know enough shit to fix my car most of the time. You can learn and you’ll have to unless you can afford to bankroll the repairs. Even then, knowing how to fix something at a track day can be the difference between a full day and a $200 single lap day.
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u/ItsLikeiHaveNoHands 3d ago
Get a miata - cheap, easy to fix with basic hand tools (super easy cars to learn on, I had zero knowledge of cars until I got my first miata), will drift fine bone stock if you pump the rear tyres up enough, and cheap enough that if you bin it into a wall you won’t be too upset. It’s way harder to learn than something with more power or a longer wheelbase, but if you learn in a miata, jumping into any other drift car will feel like drifting on easy mode
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u/dependablefelon 3d ago
I love my miata. I got off the highway in the rain today, going a little fast, got on the brakes in the turn. got some oversteer going, they can be a little snappy w the short wheelbase, but sooo predictable. great cars!!
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u/ItsLikeiHaveNoHands 3d ago
Just make sure it’s either got a Torsen diff, or swap a welded diff into it
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u/Ballamookieofficial 3d ago
Anything rear wheel drive and manual.
I drifted a mostly stock Holden commodore for a while, it wasn't competitive but I got seat time.
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u/xdkumquatz 3d ago
with your limited knowledge and skillset just grab anything auto and rwd, go out on a rainy day and put it in a ditch, jokes aside though, to start just find something cheap and rwd, you’ll learn pretty quickly how to work on the car and Ittl be easier to drift when you do eventually upgrade cars to something with power/ a decent suspension setup.
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u/dependablefelon 3d ago
I would not recommend auto! rwd of course
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u/xdkumquatz 3d ago
I’m going off of the basis of “zero knowledge” maybe they can’t drive manual and need something they can kick the tires out on and spin out until they learn to control the slip angle and countersteer
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u/dependablefelon 3d ago
I think OP said their other vehicle is a motorcycle, so I assume they know manual. but absolutely agree w ya learning vehicle control and counter steering, weight transfer and such all so important
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u/Slothuel 2d ago
I think if anyone has a daily driver already, they should probably get a manual despite their current knowledge or skill. Learning the torque curves, shift points and what not alongside what y’all mentioned at a slow pace, they will overall be a better driver and drifter than if they got a higher horsepower auto or etc etc
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 2d ago
Nah I can drive Manuel. I got a motorcycle too, motorcycle are Manuel unless it's an electric.
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u/corbanx92 2d ago
Just an FYI, a lot of us also didn't have a dad to show us how to work on cars but still did. Anyone with half a brain and some will, can learn to be a competent parts-changer.
Just scoop a rwd from fb marketplace. G35/350z anfE36/E46 bmws are a good place to start. You are going to want to get the diff welded. So buy all the tools to pull a diff out. Wrenches, ratchets and shockets set, jack, jackstands, screwdriver kit, prybar kit, torque bar. And check either on YouTube or the manufactures replacement procedure how to do it. (Get some friends to help you because differentials are heavy)
Send the diff out to a welder shop to get welded properly. And then reinstall it.
Now you have a car to learn how to drift and tools to fix it when it breaks.
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 2d ago
preciate you, G!! I low key forgot about getting tools. I already know how to weld, though, so I don't think welding will be a problem. Pulling all the parts out might be though. Gonna start ordering tools later today. Thank you again.
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u/corbanx92 1d ago
He'll yeah brother. For welding the diff I only recomend a shop cuz u will need a 220v welding machine, and structural welding.
I weld good enough to do exaust work but when I did my first diff with a 120 welding machine, the thing broke. If you are however competent enough to weld it go for it.
For the G35/350z if that's what u get, I recomend pulling the swaybar and exaust out, it makes the job a whole lot easier. (If u got a stock exaust u can just take the axleback piece out).
Hope you get the car ready asap.
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u/King_Abes 3d ago
also depends on what’s common in your area. that helps a lot
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u/King_Abes 3d ago
only thing i can think of is something with an lsd. bmw m cars, 350z (though the lsd isn’t great), brz
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u/glasscadet 3d ago
honestly its not going to happen this way for every body who does this, but owning like a miata with a lsd in an area that has windy roads, for me a metropolitan missouri location (missouri is known to be very hilly), its a really good facilitator to teach someone what a car really feels like to be able to do more performance sorts of stuff and things to that level of engagement with how the machine can function
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u/Any_Performer_9487 3d ago
Like others said there is no dealership solution and I wouldnt reccomend it even if there was. You will spin out and brake things at points so a dedicated drift missile is always better.
350z is always my immediate stock drift car. Doesnt need anything to get going just things to make it better. Most tracks wont require you to have a cage in it with it being newer for safety regulations for doing tandems later when youre at that spot. To start just get some cheap extra wheels cause youre gonna murder those tires spinning out or fish tailing as you learn espicially.
From there do the tierods as your front doesnt have much steering angle as your rear so it will let you have a more consistent/more forgiving setup so you dont spin out as much. After the stock LSD is a good thing to mess with cause with age they lose that slip they once had, but youll be fine at first. Your clutch is definitely going to be something as well since car age + clutch kicks = burnt out clutch. Plenty more you can keep doing as well, but I feel like those are the importants. Have fun and be safe
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 3d ago
Preciate your advice. Is 350z also easy to fix, repair etc.?
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u/Any_Performer_9487 3d ago edited 3d ago
Easy enough. I cant think of anything that would be more difficult compared to other options persay! Oil is something to keep an eye on. Burning or leaking can be common for some, but might not be an issue at all like in my case. I picked up mine with 122k miles for 3k so just be patient and look. Id honestly borderline reccomend even waiting till late summer or fall/early winter as prices are lower then and in the stats the economy isnt going up atm so good chance prices will be even lower as people are off loading projects and extra vehicles in need of money. Right now were still in the spring tax refund price inflation season
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u/JPHam33 3d ago
My vote has to be a C5 corvette. You can get them fairly cheap, and with a mild angle kit, they aren't bad to learn on. That's what I'm doing right now. Just keep in mind that no matter the car things break and not everything is always gonna go smoothly.
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u/Murk_City 3d ago
Supra, NSX, Miata with ls swap, Autozam AZ1, Toyota Yaris, Kaiser M7, Yougo, Renault Le Car, BMW Isetta.
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u/KingTangOfShang6 2d ago
Anything with 3 pedals, that’s rwd, and that you can afford, there is no “magic” car or anything for learning get something to bash on and teach yourself how to wrench on it. It looks a LOT scarier than it really is. It’s just big legos. Yeah you’re gonna fuck it up, yeah you’ll have to watch countless hours of “hey guys, chris fix here” but eventually you’ll get it, you’ll do it with no help from Chris the maintenance god and then you’ll have a brand new appreciation for these 2,000lb death machines we love so much.
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u/Exploring_Oneness 2d ago
Unless you are pro- level, you don't buy a car from a dealership to Drift. Lol, no offense, but buy a sim and start watching YouTube videos. Buy a piece of crap rear wheel drive car and start modifying it and building it to be a drift car. No car knows how to Drift out the factory, almost every car will require some mods to Drift well and will break things that will then require repair. Even getting a diff removed and welded from a shop can cost like $1000 depending on the labor time, so I'd be learning how to do some stuff on your own or you are going to be broke before you learn figure 8s.
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u/Ars_and_Em_223zz 2d ago
Thank you. What sim you recommend? I do have fh5 on my Xbox series x. Should I just get a wheel for it? I do know how to drift with a controller though but, you don't drift in real life with a joy stick. Do I need a PC for a good sim?
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u/SlimTimTheDimSim 2d ago edited 2d ago
Coming from a fellow brother who grew up without a dad, trust me when I say you can’t let that be your excuse. Read books, forums, watch YouTube videos, buy a basic lil toolbox and just expand your knowledge and tools as you go. Find a mentor, find a job at a workshop that will take you on to do some basic shit for cash. Offer to work for free for 2 weeks if that’s what it takes. Do a course in vehicle mechanics. You don’t have to be a become a “mechanic” forever but the experience will never leave you. Don’t listen to these people telling you that you shouldn’t or that you’re not ready. Just buy a decent old rwd car that’s in your budget, buy the tools and start driving.
Good luck.
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u/SadUnderstanding1619 3d ago
Dont you have Google?
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u/TBoiNasty 3d ago
Drifting ain’t gonna be for you right now man.
If you don’t know how to work on cars drifting is going to start being not so fun for you at some point unless you can bankroll a shop to fix your car. And a new car on top of that will cost even more
Best bet is to get a decent car for a daily then a dedicated drift car, like a 350z/g35 or e46 or something. AND learning how to work on the cars