r/FlashTV • u/KaiSen2510 • 2d ago
🤔 Thinking If Thawne hadn’t taken Harrison’s body and we got the actual Earth 1 Wells in season 1, how would the story have changed?
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u/Deusexanimo713 2d ago
See that’s a good one. The first question is (spoilers if you’re not finished) Is E1 Wells still Timeless Wells? Does he retain his meta human ability to time travel along his personal timeline? because that would change the story immensely. If not if he’s just a human super genius then for one thing, it would’ve taken longer for the Particle accelerator to be built. I think thawne says in the og timeline wells and tess built it in 2020. E1 Wells presumably would not have been as good as Thawne at teaching barry how to be a speedster, though he himself is obviously incredibly intelligent and could work out things like phasing, lightning, water running, etc. There are a lot of changes
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u/KaiSen2510 2d ago
So for this, Harrison would NOT have his timeline jumping power. And let’s say Thawne helps him build it, maybe either by speeding the tools and blue prints to him or by become a lab tech so Barry can be given his power the day he gets his speed in Arrow.
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u/Deusexanimo713 2d ago
In that case the biggest questions are about what Thawnes doing since he’s not masquerading as Harrison Wells. And if E1 Wells still hires Hartley, Caitlin, Ronnie, and Cisco and everything otherwise proceeds normally (explosion, ronnie, hartley/wells friendship and subsequent falling out). Would Thawne create Grodd or could he be created naturally or at a later date? Would he still try to infiltrate Team Flash? I think that’d be a lot more difficult without Wells face. Does E1 Wells still get paralyzed?
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
I don't think he gets paralyzed what do you mean? That Grodd is created?
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u/Deusexanimo713 11h ago
No I meant how Wellsobard got “paralyzed” during the PA explosion (i think he did get actually paralyzed just temporarily due to his remaining speed healing). Would that happen to E1 Wells? As for the question about Grodd, Thawnes work with Eiling resulted in his creation, I don’t know if E1 Wells would go through with that or if Thawne would have to do it himself or if they’d give Grodd a new origin.
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
Maybe new origin or they keep the grodds origin the same I think
For E1 it may depend if it goes wrong like season 1 maybe did go wrong or it was meant to happen or so
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDxT4qrZ3ME
Like in this so wonder if it was meant or not for like will e1 wells make the same mistake as for thawne did too
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u/Deusexanimo713 11h ago
The s1 explosion was a plot by thawne he wanted it to explode and create metas. That's the whole reason for his beef with Hartley in s1 because Hartley figured out the accelerator would explode and thawne fired him and threatened to ruin his reputation to keep him from blowing the whistle. There was no mistake there. Now, in this situation if Thawne “speeds along” the creation of the PA like OP suggested, then he would probably set it up the same way as that's his plan
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
I mean how would that work he's gonna have trick wells he's a good guy and still gonna be a waste of his time which dont know how much time he had by season 1
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u/Expensive_Ad_1374 2d ago
For one thing, Barry wouldn't have gotten his powers until 2020 (source: season 1 episode "Tricksters"), so the series wouldn't have started in 2014.
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u/KaiSen2510 2d ago
Let’s just say that the particle accelerator got finished when it did in our version of events
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u/Brief-Outcome-2371 1d ago
He didn't take his body.
He stole his DNA (face, blood, and memories).
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u/loveisdead9582 2d ago
Idk. Thawne may have taken someone else’s body and life… it would kind of be wild if he took over Barry’s dad’s body and played pretend for years. Sneaking out of prison and leaving a speed mirage or something in place to cover his tracks.
If he didn’t then I could see Thawne working with Wells and Tess to ensure that the particle accelerator got done on time. He would likely replace Cisco in the grand scheme of things. At some point I feel like he may have tried to force Wells out and taken over as head of operations or something but idk. It might be more convenient for him to stay in the background. He might have even been running some experiments in sections of star labs that he added in secret. I couldn’t see this version getting wiped out of time by his ancestor though… he may have meddled enough to keep iris and Eddie away from one another.
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
I can see that for all this to be true because Thawne is a sneaky bastard
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u/NatKingCole891 2d ago
Don’t forget that since Earth-1 Wells didn’t die, he’d also have his wife, Tess, with him so we’d probably have a kinder Wells. Would also mean that Barry wouldn’t be the Flash until sometime later in life
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u/JB57551 Eobard Thawne 1d ago
The only way I could see a version of S1 with the actual Earth-1 Wells surviving, is if Thawne is still able to retain his speed and return back home after murdering Barry's mother.
Sure that'll contradict Season 1, but it makes sense. Thawne wouldn't find the necessity to use the likeness/DNA of a different person, if he didn't have to do so.
That all being said, we'd definitely get a more comic accurate Reverse-Flash. In the comics, Thawne murdered Barry's mother, yet is still able to run at superspeed and return back to his timeline
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u/Jasmeme266 Leonard Snart 1d ago
The timeline would've gone on as originally planned years in the future. Tess and Wells would've built up S.T.A.R labs and built the partical accelerator, which would explode and create Barry as the flash. But according to Thawne and Gideon, Barry's moms death prevents him from becoming the flash in the future. So he'd just have speed and do nothing with it, ig 🤷🏽♀️
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u/RulerOfAllWorlds1998 2d ago
Sooo, Flashpoint or something else? Deets plz
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u/KaiSen2510 2d ago
Basically everything’s the same except the car crash.
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u/RulerOfAllWorlds1998 2d ago
So like Wells and Thawne are two separate people? That’s gonna be confusing, does Thawne still make the accelerator blow up? What about Wells? Is he still in a chair?
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
Thawne is not the real wells
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u/BusVegetable7490 The Flash 11h ago
The original timeline would still happen without the interference of thawne
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u/KobraPlayzMC Supergirl 2d ago
So as in if the timeline ran its original course? or just the one change is Thawne doesn't take over as wells