r/Foodforthought • u/D-R-AZ • 1d ago
Conservative group claims Trump's tariffs illegally usurp powers of Congress
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/this-unlawful-impost-must-fall-conservative-group-sues-trump-claiming-tariffs-are-unconstitutional-exercise-of-legislative-power/238
u/TeamHope4 1d ago
Oh, so the crashing stock market finally woke up the conservatives who should have been saying this about tariffs before the election.
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u/caribbean_caramel 1d ago
Better late than never.
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u/Hayes4prez 1d ago
Yeah, we’re going to have a lot of “I told you so” opportunities over the next few years… I’m not saying it’s morally right to point it out or wrong to say nothing, just that how WE (on the Left & Center) react to people coming to their senses will determine a lot going forward.
I lean towards the side of telling people I told you so (it’s a natural human reaction) but then welcoming them back to reality. We may not agree with everything they believe but we’re going to need them going forward.
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u/LitesoBrite 1d ago
I disagree vehemently.
These people haven’t come to jesus. They’re 100% still acting on the same selfishness and would absolutely back trump again in a second if this personal harm was removed.
I told you so isn’t stopping anything. The best response is ‘I told you he wouldn’t just hurt everyone but you!’
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u/Mrhorrendous 1d ago
My entire adult life has been a series of "I told you so"s, because conservatives are pretty much wrong about everything. Every time they get in power, they crash the economy, they send us to stupid wars, and they make people sicker.
They don't care. They will never learn on their own. They are either too stupid, or too selfish.
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u/NecessaryRhubarb 1d ago
The way to keep a child from crying when they let go of their helium filled balloon isn’t to tell them they shouldn’t have let it go, it’s to buy them another one. When they do it again, scolding them still won’t get them to stop crying. Only buying another one and tying it to their wrist will stop the tears.
I’m all for buying it again, but at this point, they keep cutting it off their wrist, crying about it, and demanding another balloon. They can fuck right off until they come back with their tail between their legs, apologize, and then we can move on together as a country.
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u/Helpful-Economy-6234 1d ago
I like the analogy. However, the child eventually grows up. I’m not sure Trumpers do.
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u/henrywe3 1d ago
Absolutely NOT
Donald Trump is a traitor to this country and our Republican(God I hate that word because of him) form of government as guaranteed by the Constitution.
It shouldn't even have to be the conservative groups suing the president: it should be the citizenry themselves. CONGRESS NEVER HAD THE AUTHORITY TO DELEGATE ITS POWER to the executive branch in the first place. Otherwise, the President would have the power of the line-item veto the office lost in Clinton V. City of New York. ANY competent Judicial Branch officer shouldn't even need to hear this case for longer than five seconds to strike it down dead. When this makes it to SCOTUS, it SHOULD be 9-0 in favor of the opposition. No written order. No hearing. There is NO justification whatsoever to delegate Legislative Branch prerogatives to the Executive....
Except Donald Trump exercises total control of the NSGOP. The "loyal" Republicans who still believe in this country are too afraid to stand up and fight, and the MAGATS who hold power in the Capitol are prepared to strip judges of their authority for having the blind audacity to gasp actually uphold the Constitution and enforce the law. And even if SCOTUS says it's unconstitutional, that won't stop this President, for the SAME SCOTUS that says it's illegal also says the President is immune from being prosecuted for official acts, and so long as he can frame anything he does as an official act, he can't. Be. TOUCHED.
The Republican Party has either ushered in King Donald the first or the Fourth Reich. Maybe both. And people want to make nice with them and move on? No way. They re-elected him. They fucked around. I say it's time they found out. And even of they were to come crawling to me on hands and knees through broken glass and razorblades covered in lemon juice and rubbing alcohol, you know what they're gonna get from me? If I haven't been locked up in El Salvador by then a loogie in the eye and a hearty middle finger
The time to make nice with these people is long gone. And it may never come back
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u/harperluutwo 1d ago
Telling someone I told you so can be done with kindness. For instance, “It’s good to hear you’re taking a closer look at that issue. “It’s good for all of us to ask questions when something doesn’t click.” Welcome them back into the fold, because we’ll need all the people that have seen the light.
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u/IMeanIGuessDude 1d ago
When someone you love finally leaves the cult then the joy of having them back will hit you before the rage of vindication. Being sucked into a cult is a lot of mental illness or a sign of it at the very least.
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u/D-R-AZ 1d ago
Excerpts:
According to the nonprofit group, the statutes under which Trump purported to issue the levies — the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 (IEEPA) — grants the executive sweeping authority to quickly combat international economic crises, permitting the president to “order sanctions as a rapid response to international emergencies.” However, the NCLA asserts that the emergency statute does not allow the president to usurp the legislative branch’s control of the country’s purse strings through the unilateral imposition of tariffs.
“Congress passed the IEEPA to counter external emergencies, not to grant presidents a blank check to write domestic economic policy,” the complaint states.
The right-leaning legal group is seeking a court order declaring that Trump’s tariffs are an “unconstitutional exercise of legislative power” and enjoining them from being implemented and enforced.
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u/WollyBee 1d ago
Never mind the fact that the emergencies act - in regards to Canada - was a bunch of strawman bullshit. There is no fentanyl crisis here leaking into the US.
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u/HelloMcFly 1d ago
The idea that Canada sends more fentanyl to America than America does to Canada is absolutely absurd
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u/Hauntingengineer375 1d ago
I agree! They need to focus on those wobbly penguins and otters. They're the real threat and should be taxed heavily! You go orange clown king!!!
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u/andrewsmd87 1d ago
There is no fentanyl crisis here leaking into the US.
The call is coming from inside the house
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u/ALTERFACT 1d ago
Just like with his stupid border wall national emergency declaration. Of the some 70 national emergency declarations, it was the only one to be declared just to go around Congress' denying him funding, so he stole it from congressionally allocated military infrastructure funds.
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u/PrincessOake 1d ago
It’s all fun and games til you mess around with the ultra-wealthy’s money.
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u/andrewsmd87 1d ago
I've been saying this for a while when this comes up in our friend chats. Once the old rich white dudes start losing money, things will change quick
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u/SnoopyisCute 1d ago
Oh, we still have LAWS? Who knew?
NOW, they notice that it's their bank accounts!
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u/atroutfx 1d ago
That is because it does. Tarrifs are a tax and the house of representatives are the only body authorized to levy taxes on the people.
He is using emergency powers to do this. He falsely claimed there is a crisis at the border and this is the pretense for all of this shit.
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u/FanDry5374 1d ago
Does anyone think the Congress is going to actually do (or even try) to do anything about it?
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u/atroutfx 1d ago
There are signs of life. Rand Paul was on the floor of the senate saying all of this shit.
The House of Representatives are still pretty cucked, but as things get worse, and they will get worse, more and more republicans will start to flip. The magat cultists will never flip, but actual conservatives will. It just depends on what their threshold for pain and suffering is.
Sad as hell that it has come to this. I would expect these people to have a spine and never let it get to this point, but I guess it is naive to demand better from politicians.
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u/MRSN4P 1d ago
Where is the Lincoln Project to rile up opposition to Trump/DOGE activity?
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u/atroutfx 1d ago edited 1d ago
They post to their YouTube channel daily. Shit just isn't loud enough.
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u/CuzCuz1111 1d ago
Remember when MOST Repubs actually believed in the Constitution? Now they’re mostly placed in positions of power, bought & sold by political mobsters.
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u/nana-korobi-ya-oki 1d ago
It will probably be closer to the 2008 financial crisis because we have a lot more fiscal safeguards in place now that they didn’t have in 1930s
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u/Puppy_Breath 1d ago
Let’s hope. We had a more technocratic admin that leveraged policy experts to guide the recovery. Not sure what will happen this time…
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u/allothernamestaken 1d ago
They're right, but it's not usurping if Congress allows him to do it. Congress could put an end to all of it tomorrow if it wanted to, but it doesn't.
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u/AmberDuke05 1d ago
All his actions usurper the Congress but the GOP led Congress is slowly crying as they eat the shit that ordered.
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u/Barnowl-hoot 1d ago
Republicans...pick their plaintiff, pick their court...and pushes to stop what they don't like. WHY did it take a conservative group to do this....where are the liberals? Suits like this should be happening EVERY WHERE in every district court. STOP F..king marching! And start doing suits like this!
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u/Runnerakaliz 1d ago
They do. To bad the GOP is acared of an old man who will be dead in ten years.
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u/CommercialThanks4804 16h ago
I will admit that it’s nice to hear that they’re starting to turn on their führer but it’s annoying because all that’s happening was already predicted a long time ago and they said we were just overreacting. Like all of this would’ve been prevented if they would’ve just gotten behind a different candidate.
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u/RaydelRay 16h ago
It's probably illegal to fire random scientists, but that didn't stop him, and congress didn't even try to stop him.
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u/Mo_Jack 4h ago
I've been saying this is the point of Trump's tariffs. He knows good and well who pays tariffs and he doesn't care if they crash the economy. The purpose of his tariffs is twofold:
- to shift the tax burden more towards the middle & working classes and away from the wealthy & corporations
- To subvert the power of the purse that Congress has. He wants to move tariff monies to the External Revenue Service that he has mentioned before. He would create that entity and make it an Executive Branch Department under his control.
Most of what Trump does internally is all about power, such as neutering regulating agencies and putting things under his control. Externally, most things he is doing benefit Russia, like tariff wars and isolating the US from our Allies and getting rid of agencies that help other countries and build up goodwill for the US.
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