r/Frat • u/LumpyTeacher4915 FIJI • 2d ago
Question What’s up with FSL and schools turning a blind eye to hazing in mgc frats
Okay I go to a school where there’s about 9 ifc fraternities and like 5 MGC frats.
IFC cracks down on hazing, alcohol at rush events, mixers and monitors the ifc frats really hard with fines and stuff.
What’s up with the MGC council and even the FSL in the school completely turning a blind eye to the clear and extreme hazing, alcohol at mixers and stuff and some of stuff the MGC frats do to their pledges. Pretty much everyone on campus knows it too. But if an ifc fraternity even breathes slightly wrong the school and ifc are all over them
Do other schools have this too?
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u/FuelAccomplished2834 2d ago
I think IFC frats play this game of acting like they don't haze and they basically act very much like the houses that don't haze during rush. Alot of kids don't know what they are getting into and that's when you get a kid going to snitch to IFC or complain to a friend that then tells IFC.
Everyone thinks D9 frats haze so if you are a prospective or a pledge, you aren't going in with a mindset that you aren't getting haze. They expected it so it's not a surprise when it happens.
Even with IFC frats, it usually isn't the house that is known for hazing that gets caught hazing. It's the house that tries to play it off that they don't haze. Truly prospectives are dumb and if a house sarcastically says they don't haze, there is going to be a good percentage of kids that doesn't understand the sarcasm and thinks that house truly doesn't haze.
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u/Yarville ΔΤΧ Advisor 2d ago
Definitely some wisdom here.
The zero tolerance approach from Nationals leads to hazing going underground and existing without guardrails or oversight. That’s how you end up with kids locked in cages getting pissed on.
Hazing should be legal, safe, and expected by incoming pledges - with clear tolerances for what is acceptable and what isn’t. We need to stop the charade of being “non hazing fraternities” that only bites us in the ass.
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u/Butterzwithaz 1d ago
Your point about the D9 is pretty accurate. I’m white and went to an HBCU and crossed a D9 fraternity. We knew exactly what we were going into regarding our process. It’s almost cultural. Even the band hazed. Also, mine was mostly physical and no alcohol so you don’t have those kinds of slip ups that I think a lot of chapters get in trouble for. Lastly, hazing is usually defined as activities required to join. We became full fledged national members prior to the process. You technically didn’t have to go through the process to join. We just non-officially wouldn’t recognize you within our chapter.
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u/ShortBussyDriver 2d ago
I think you answered your question.
Look, I am not a MAGA guy, I voted against Trump in each election. But, there is some truth to the idea that Schools are anti-Greek because they see it as part of the white patriarchy and institutions of privilege.
They would never make the same accusations against MGC groups. It would destroy their world view that straight white guys are the root of all evil. I'm not saying that they are all wrong about how they view frats, there is an element of truth there, but there is absolutely, 100% a double-standard at play.
This is where Alumni come in to balance things out to make it clear they expect even-handed, objective treatment of all living/social groups. The problem there is frat alumni don't band together often enough, and like their active members, are too busy fighting each other. MGC groups stick together and present a united front.
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u/xSparkShark Beer 2d ago
This was discussed with regards to D9 frats a couple weeks back