r/FreeSpeech • u/Youdi990 • 1d ago
Exclusive: After cancelling nearly all NIH projects studying transgender health, Trump’s team instructs the US biomedical agency to study negative consequences of transitioning and ‘regret’ after transgender people transition
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-01029-81
u/Fox622 1d ago
I do think they should also study on the possible downsides
However, in this case the government is practically telling them to fabricate evidence
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u/Bron_Swanson Spee Freech 21h ago
So, that's what they must've been doing before just in the other direction, right?
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u/jackinsomniac 19h ago
If they weren't being extremely clear and thorough about all the risks, downsides, and rates of failure, sounds like this kind of "research" has always been infected by bias and poor methodology.
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u/Critical-Syrup5619 22h ago edited 22h ago
Both sides ought to be studied. It's been pretty one-sided thus we have plenty of information with a bias leaning in favor, but close to none when it comes to arguing against and genuinely discussing and studing the risks and downsides without fear of being cancelled or attacked politically/by the media.
True free speech here would be not silencing the opposition through fear and refusal to fund; objectively.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 1d ago
Politicians telling scientists how to study science. Not disturbing at all.
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u/quaderrordemonstand 1d ago
They do it all the time. The scientists themselves have a bias in what they study. The peers that review the science have a bias.
The real problem for modern science is about replication. Very many studies are being accepted and failing when somebody tries to duplicate their results.
That means a lot of bad science is happening and that's worse than no science. Better to accurately not know, than to be certain of the wrong thing.
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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac 1d ago
I mean, actually, in reality, truthfully, everyone, even you, has a bias
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u/quaderrordemonstand 19h ago
Sure, I never suggested otherwise. The scientific method only really works if you do things without bias. It never works out, because people are biased, but that's the aim.
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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac 17h ago
That's the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time. Good job.
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u/quaderrordemonstand 17h ago
Ok then, please do explain which part is dumb?
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u/Tyranicidal_Brainiac 16h ago
I'm not playing this dumb game. Do yourself a favor and look up what the scientific method is and does.
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u/quaderrordemonstand 16h ago
OK, so you want to imagine I don't know what scientific method is. You're right, no use continuing if the conversation has reached this point.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 1d ago
They do it all the time.
No they don’t. You don’t want politicians telling scientists to stop studying one thing and instead study another thing because of political ideology.
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u/Bron_Swanson Spee Freech 21h ago
That's literally what the Biden admin did during the pandemic, and not only scientists, but media too.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 19h ago
What are you even talking about? What did Biden direct scientists to stop studying?
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u/Bron_Swanson Spee Freech 13h ago
The only way you don't know what I'm talking about is if you're a very young kid or a bot/AI. Stop it, you know what.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 13h ago
Ok, so you’re making it up. Got it.
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u/Bron_Swanson Spee Freech 13h ago
Go ahead, say it if you know, most people can at least admit it nowadays. You can do it, I believe in you!
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 13h ago
I’ll ask again because you seem unable to answer:
What did Biden direct scientists to stop studying?
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u/otters4everyone 1d ago
True - no one wants things like politicians controlling science, but the post is about this very thing: funding was given for one ideology, so studies were initiated. Now there’s funding for a different ideology.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 1d ago edited 1d ago
You act like study of trans health care originated as a political ideology. It absolutely did not. It came about through the medical community recognizing people in need. Political support is secondary. Even calling trans health care an ideology is a fiction. It’s not ideology, it’s health care.
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u/otters4everyone 1d ago
I’m not acting like anything. Merely pointing out the shifts in funding and how that often controls where the research is headed.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 1d ago
The two sides of this issue, as you are framing them, are not equivalent.
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u/jackinsomniac 19h ago
If they're not including the risks, compromises, and rates of failure in those studies, then they were absolutely doing it for political ideology. And lack of explaining any of the downsides of transitioning (especially from medical professionals) has been one of, if not the biggest issue facing the trans community.
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u/Morbidly-Obese-Emu 17h ago edited 15h ago
They absolutely do all of those things. Transitioning isn’t just some casual decision that can be made over night. It’s a long process that includes counseling and psychological evaluations. If you get ANY kind of surgery, they have to tell you the risks. Again, it has nothing to do with politics. It’s a decision that should be between the patient and doctor.
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u/MovieDogg 1d ago
What are you talking about? The milk companies are still funding studies that help milk companies look good
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u/otters4everyone 1d ago
Did you not read the story linked to the post? The previous administration funded research based on their ideology. Now this administration is doing the same thing, but in a different direction.
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u/MovieDogg 1d ago
The pro-science ideology is now being replaced with anti-science ideology?
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u/otters4everyone 1d ago
I was commenting on the statement claiming politicians don’t tell scientists what to do. I’m stating they do all the time through the funds they provide. I’m not arguing science vs. non-science - orange man vs. diaper man. They are all corrupt. I loathe them all.
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u/quaderrordemonstand 19h ago edited 18h ago
Neither is anti-science. It doesn't become more science depending on how much you like it.
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u/Bron_Swanson Spee Freech 21h ago
Sacred? Holy shit. Out of all the people involved in those situations, I think the only sacred lives would be the doctors.
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u/usernametaken0987 1d ago
So after several years of fascists demanding politicians dictate healthcare even more, denying parental rights, literally trying to conceal grooming, banning mental health & detrans studies, and silencing physicians.
We finally get to study the increasing gender dysphoria rates and the increasing self-harm & depression rates both within it despite acceptance never being higher.
Of course the Leftists would finally come out and complain about the possibility of physician bias. As long as mainstream agreed with them they never had a reason to question the problem with how things were being done.