r/Harmontown • u/lotsoflemons LiveStream Coordinator • Jun 05 '18

Video Available! Episode 289 Live Thread

Episode 289 - Live Thread

Video will start this Monday, June 4th, at approximately 8 PM PDT.

  • Eastern US: 11 PM
  • Central US: 10 PM
  • Mountain US: 9 PM
  • GMT / London UK: 4 AM (Monday Morning)
  • Sydney AU: 1 PM (Monday Afternoon)

We will have two threads for every episode: a live discussion thread for the video, and then a podcast thread once it drops on Wednesday afternoon.

Memberships are on sale now. Enjoy the live show!

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u/thesixler Jun 08 '18

Yeah how dare I talk back to you dickheads shitting on me. Fuck off bro your sanctimony is poor disguise for your desire to spew garbage unafraid.

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u/Coenn Jun 08 '18

I'm really impressed that you continue to comment here, in a good way. I think I'm not the only one who is just following your user page to find out how you really feel. You are not required to let us know that, but since you are already here people want to discuss this apparent issue. However, it is clearly visible that you only reply to the negative comments and then you only pick the most negative part and reply to that. That irks some people, since you are fully right in your reactions to those parts. However, there is some good shit here too. People are agreeing with you/giving good advice/asking interesting questions; but it seems like these people get all piled up on the 'you dickheads' pile. That's how I feel anyway. Hope you get on good terms with dan and this sub soon!

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u/thesixler Jun 08 '18

Those people are pissing me off too but I get they’re on my side so I don’t also yell at them. Just because someone agrees with me doesn’t mean I find them less stupid than they’ve revealed themselves to be.

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u/Coenn Jun 08 '18

Not that I fully agree, but that does make sense yeah. I hope that you get to be less pissed off soon. Im currently 4 years behind on Harmontown (+-ep100) and it's all happy and fun, so it hurts to see the current drama.

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 08 '18

Lol. You can basically replace spencer with Dan in this paragraph.

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 08 '18

"Imagine talking like that to Dan sometime".

Yes. That really is "shitting" on you. Not just a criticism of you; wholesale shit.

And yeah. My criticism is also "garbage" and "sanctimony".

All you're doing is taking cheap potshots at anyone critical of you while excusing yourself at every opportunity.

You're misdirecting and self-coddling about as much as Dan is.

I don't desire to spew garbage anymore than you do. But you're literally just attacking the people willing to criticize Harmontown at this point, rather than deal with any of those criticisms.

So maybe look at why people would criticize something they like. Instead id being such a crybaby victim about it.

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u/thesixler Jun 08 '18

See the thing is all of this is untrue and only makes sense if you’re an insecure shithead who can’t take criticism from someone they purport to appreciate and/or respect. I didn’t do any of this shit but you could believe I did if you were sufficiently butthurt.

I’m responding to people being stupid. That’s in the hopes they will stop. That’s not bullying. That’s discussion. Calling that hurtful or bullying is so fucking entitled victimhood bullshit i can’t imagine how you walk through life without collapsing. You don’t have a right to my respect or my politeness. I know you don’t have that right because I don’t have that right from you fuckers. I know I don’t have that right because the moderators of the sub set the standard that garbage harassment and vicious insults is acceptable behavior and when I’ve tried to set a higher standard I’ve been shot down. We have the worst fucking sub this side of content because the moderators let you fucks spew garbage and when anyone calls you out for it you freak the fuck out like the children you likely are.

I don’t owe you answers. I don’t owe you excuses. I don’t owe you nondeflections. I don’t owe you my time or breath. I choose to hurl shit at you because the sub moderation has deemed that the appropriate response to my aggrievement as a user of the sub. I owe you no more than shit hurled at you and you’re entitled to nothing better and neither am I and here is the result and is that the community you want to make because you built it and build it with every toxic post you shit.

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u/-Chives- Jun 09 '18

Come on, you know that calling people stupid isn’t a discussion. And you gotta know that it isn’t going to make anyone “stop being stupid”. You aren’t a bully either, but you know that you aren’t being kind. You don’t owe anyone your kindness, but why go around “hurling shit” like a chimp?

Surely the “smarter” human is the one who can not only understand something, but can also convey the thought to others, making them smarter. How does your intelligence benefit anyone else if you just use it to find new ways to throw your shit? What does that get you other than, at best, shit getting thrown back at you?

Online discussions have become a competition of calling other people stupid. But what are you really doing when you call someone stupid, other than telling yourself how smart you must be?

I know none of this is going to blow your mind, and you already acknowledged that all this isn’t healthy or productive, but it’s just so easy to let other peoples’ shittiness justify your own. It isn’t impossible to communicate online with people in a meaningful way. It might not be worth the effort, but do you really believe that hurling your shit is?

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u/thesixler Jun 09 '18 edited Jun 09 '18

I’ve tried, I tried Sunday night when the incident happened. All of the clarity I could give aided literally no one and improved nothing. Someone used what I had said as a way to manipulate me and potentially harm my relationship with Dan. They were threatening me using my own attempts to aid people’s understanding exactly like you wanted. They took that good will and held me at gun point with it. I deleted the post. People got confused. I was upset. I tried to explain. People didn’t understand and started talking all kinds of shit. It upset me. I deleted the posts. I tried to explain. They piled on. Deleted some more posts. Switched to rage posting.

See how your super sanctimonious holier than thou advice completely ignores the context of things that happen in order to throw me under the bus with what little imperfect biased and largely misunderstood information you have access to? I did exactly what you wanted. That was my whole fucking plan. I wanted to compassionately aid the understanding of all these people who were acting stupid so hard it was really contributing to my terrible feelings resulting from that night. And I got hurt and lashed out. And I admitted it. This whole endeavor for me has been engaging in pain in a toxic way. I don’t shy away from it. But I’m not going to be treated like a fucking shitbird by you or anyone else because the thing that I know that no one else does is that I actually understand what is happening and I understand that you do not and i understand that gap in understanding is a huge obstacle to communication between us and I understand i can’t bridge it for you because you’re just not capable and I have tried.

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u/-Chives- Jun 10 '18

I wanted to say that making a post about all this might help, but I think it would probably still be heavily misinterpreted and just drag it out further. But you did communicate your perspective, to me at least, with this comment.

I wasn’t aware that someone tried to leverage whatever you said against you or any of the details with that. I can’t confidently say that I would react any better in a similar scenario. I’ll give you that my comment does sound very douchey and sanctimonious, fair enough. But I know that I’ve said worse things to people that I actually care about.

Maybe I don’t know how to convey these thoughts without sounding “holier than thou”, but I do know that I’m not. I understand giving into rage. But from my experience, not only is it unhealthy, it’s never actually as satisfying as it feels like it will be. Unfortunately, not acting on it is thoroughly unsatisfying, but surely that’s why it’s the better act, because it is genuinely hard to do.

You were backed into a corner but now you’re cutting people down. Some are getting involved to fight you back. Maybe I should have just stayed out of all of it, but I would like to believe that there is a way to get involved without contributing to the “violence” of the situation. I don’t know that I was able to, but that’s what I would like to learn how to do.

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u/JTJamerson Jun 09 '18

thank you

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u/UD_Lover Jun 10 '18

I can't believe someone tried to do something that shitty. This is why we can't have nice things :(

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 08 '18

You don't owe me anything. It doesn't take anything away from you being dismissive, cowardly, impolite or a general shithead.

Your contribution is basically just calling people shitheads and avoiding any substantive criticism.

You owe no one anything. But fuck your cowardly, rude ass anyways.

Edit: it is pretty laughable that you're calling what you do "discussion". Read your own posts someone, you pretentious fuck.

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u/-Chives- Jun 09 '18

Obviously both of you are at least a little right. However dismissive or shitty sixler might be acting, you seem pretty comfortable fighting back in the same exact way. You’ve even acknowledged that.

So then what do you think is motivating that? What do you hope to get out of this exchange?

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 09 '18

I don't have a pre-set expectation. I just got really annoyed at how he was acting. Sort of like why I got annoyed at dans poor person rant. Both dan and sixler are kinda tearing apart the egalitarian community aspect that made Harmontown great.

With spencer it's actually a little more annoying. There was so much support for him after dan belittled him on stage. Yet he ignored all that and nested himself in a feeling of superiority (unearned) and just called everyone stupid while adding nothing. What a prick move.

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u/-Chives- Jun 09 '18

Based on how he responded to me, it seems like he did try to explain things cordially at first. Then things escalated and he started lashing out, which he has acknowledged isn’t a good way to process all this.

If your annoyance at sixler makes you feel justified lashing out at him, then surely he’s justified for lashing out at “the sub” in general, especially considering that he’s getting it from a bunch more people.

What are you really doing by trying to prove to him how wrong he is? I can’t actually know how you think, but it seems like what you truly want from this exchange is to break down Spencer’s ego. You said you were bothered by his “unearned sense of superiority”. What motivates a person to try and break down someone else’s ego if not their own ego bumping up against it?

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 09 '18

Disdain for general groups of people bothers me in general. You can draw a line from that to my own ego I'm sure. It's still something I hold as a conscious value though.

You're not wrong about me wanting to break down Spencer's ego a bit. But it's not about wanting to hurt him. I'd like him to consider "the masses" opinion more and listen more. I think he's using negative examples to ignore a vast amount of either neutral or positive contributions. And especially ones bordering on critical.

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u/paidprotester Jun 09 '18

What a piece of shit. It is so obvious that you showed up here to talk shit to Spencer. Maybe fuck off before you keep going? Like look in a mirror and ask yourself to fuck off?

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u/CaptainCanusa You're a great job Jun 09 '18

Man, c'mon...look at Spencer's comments, sort by new. He's not exactly being the most respectful/productive/whatever. It's ok to say that, isn't it?

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 09 '18

No. As per spencer and this guy it makes us garbage-people who only love to hate.

Because that's what people do. If you like something a lot you do NOT CRITICIZE IT. You just either don't care if it becomes worse or just quietly hope it gets better.

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u/CaptainCanusa You're a great job Jun 09 '18

Yeah, I guess it's all coming into focus now that I've seen a few more of his replies and the way the community here is reacting to them.

I get why Dan stopped coming here. It's not the...healthiest place in the world, shall we say.

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u/Vancouver_prvinv Jun 09 '18

I see the odd negative post. More lately...

But I've always found that to be really over stated and a reflection of insecurity and over-focus on the 1/10 negative comments.

Generally this is just a place where people talk in depth about harmontown. Go figure. It's not that toxic at all. In my opinion. And truly toxic comments seem to get downvoted.

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u/CaptainCanusa You're a great job Jun 09 '18

I get you. I don't even mean toxic. I'm just talking about the way people here seem to be handling any type of conflict or difficulty.

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