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u/Deep_Belt8304 1d ago
Good question what if the South won the Civil War even, that's what I'd like to know
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u/Main-Ad-9287 1d ago
You know you can just ask the question on the reddit page instead of going here and righting it
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u/Adrian_Acorn 1d ago
Man, the joke Is, your question Is incredibly generic, Just like "what if the South Wins" Is generic as hell, They asked this question a million times, so please check up whst has already been asked by the searcher option.
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u/Throwaway98796895975 1d ago
You could’ve just searched for the 15498204850509204840382764802001849505037373 times that someone posted this exact same fucking question.
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u/UnityOfEva 19h ago
Simple, Nazi Germany collapses between 1941-42, because of the enormous debt bubble that was been repeatedly kicked down the road. On the verge of Operation Barbarossa, Germany's debt bubble was about to burst unless they plunder and looted other countries for their foreign currency, raw resources, labor, and industries without it Germany collapses.
General Georg Thomas, Head of the Defence Economy and Armament Office in the Oberkommando Der Wehrmacht presented to Nazi political and military leadership that if Germany does NOT invade the Soviet Union for their resources then the entirety of the Wehrmacht would be forced to demobilize just to conserve their resources.
In your scenario, Unemployment, and inflation skyrockets as Germany no longer have the resources, funds, and materials to fuel their industries especially oil, and raw resources. The Wehrmacht demobilizes allowing the Allies ample time to prepare a massive invasion possible that the Soviets invade in 1942-43. Hitler is ousted by Generals in the Wehrmacht establishing a conservation military dictatorship.
We would see a Red Europe, the Soviets just march into Paris without any resistance to their advance forming a massive counterweight to Britain and the United States.
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u/Throwaway98796895975 1d ago
The USSR goes to war with them. The Nazis still lose.
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u/Throwaway98796895975 1d ago
Like honestly, can we please add “what if Germany won ww2 posts” to the fucking low effort category already.
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u/Smooth-Apartment-856 1d ago
Well, the Red Army chewed through a large chunk of the Wehrmacht during and after Stalingrad.
With all the men and resources lost in the East suddenly not lost, and now available for D-Day, the Normandy invasion suddenly looks a lot more difficult.
It possible that D-Day never happens, and the Allies postpone the invasion until after The Bomb is ready, and we nuke Berlin.
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u/Kerking18 1d ago
That's just as possible as germany, with all those resources not tied up in a devastating war east, looks for weapons to redeam there loss at the battle of britain, stumble upon the A-bomb concept, and nuke london before the allies developed there nuke.
Also, nuki g germany would be way harder anyways, because of the funktioning Air defence. Something the "then we would Nuke berlin" crowd conviniently likes to ignore.
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u/Throwaway98796895975 1d ago
It’s nowhere near as possible. Where is Germany getting the power to refine uranium. Where is Germany getting the money to fund the project. Where is Germany getting the scientists to work on the project. Where is Germany getting the uranium to enrich. Germany was never going to build the bomb. Man in the High Castle is not a fucking historical text.
And where is this “functioning air defense” when Germany was getting carpet bombed from Hamburg to Dresden. Seriously, log off of HoI4 for a little bit and visit your local library.
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u/Kerking18 1d ago edited 1d ago
Depends on who you ask. Usa sources would have you belive germans could have never produced a nuke, primary sources from both the soviets and germany show that it was dangerousely close. So idk man you decide whats more likely in your world.
Also convinient of you to ignore my Point about aa defenses.
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Lol your block won't make you "win" the argument.
Here is my response
Ah yes the "i never wanted to discuss this what off so i punch you with a insult that might vaguely apply but is completely off just so it loocs lije i intekectually won."
Let's shock your narrow minded low iq worldview. I I belive the german machines meaning tanks an planes where faar inverior to allied machines. How is that for "WeHrAbOo"? ;*
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago
"They'd just nuke London" and "Berlin would be too hard to nuke" back to back is fascinating.
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u/Kerking18 1d ago
And you notice the irony not? Even after you pointed it out you iust don't notice it?
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u/ChanceryTheRapper 1d ago
Then the Red Army would be a lot closer to Berlin when they invaded the Nazis at some point in the next year or two.