r/Left_News • u/Faux_Real_Guise ★ socialist ★ • 1d ago
American Politics California to negotiate trade with other countries to bypass Trump tariffs
https://www.newsweek.com/california-newsom-trade-trump-tariffs-205541445
u/highercyber 1d ago
Is this the beginning of the Balkanization of the United States?
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u/Faux_Real_Guise ★ socialist ★ 1d ago
My normal response is to tell people to stop being ridiculous, but the idea of a state attempting to negotiate its own foreign trade seemed ridiculous a few days ago. I have no idea what's possible anymore.
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u/skyfishgoo 1d ago
we've actually already been doing that for decades now.
i just expect now we will be doing more of it.
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u/Faux_Real_Guise ★ socialist ★ 1d ago
In what sense? This article makes it seem like they’re reaching for bilateral trade agreements or something like that. Am I misunderstanding?
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u/skyfishgoo 1d ago
gov brown went to china and and made deals to sell them milk of all things.
i remember that on in particular because it was just so stupid.
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u/Major-Excuse1634 🏴 Ⓐ 🏴 1d ago
California has the largest sub-nation economy in the world. Its economy is behind Germany but ahead of Japan if comparing to other nations and would be the 4th largest on the planet.
Not so ridiculous. NY should follow next. Texas and Florida will go down with the rest of "Ameristan".
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u/highercyber 1d ago
All options are on the table now. I foresee Trump trying to federalize state national guards, and I looked up how many Democratic governors there were with how many active National Guard troops there were compared to Republican states. That had never crossed my mind before yesterday.
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u/SgathTriallair 1d ago
What were the findings?
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u/highercyber 1d ago
Best I could find was data from 2017 on troop numbers, but that should still give us a good idea.
Governor's data is from Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_United_States_governors24 Democratic governors with 529,744 active National Guard, (but 36k of that is Hawaii)
26 Republican governors with 496,139 active National Guard (17k is Alaska)So pretty neck and neck, but Trump will have the actual military too unless they refuse orders.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
I’m guessing that if it comes down to that, it’s gonna be neck and neck between US military who obey and those who take their “all enemies foreign and domestic” seriously.
Shit that scares me though is how many pre millennial evangelicals are in the nuclear weapons program… even before the Trump purge, it was scary, and now with his culty loyalists… yikes.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
I’m guessing that if it comes down to that, it’s gonna be neck and neck between US military who obey and those who take their “all enemies foreign and domestic” seriously.
Shit that scares me though is how many pre millennial evangelicals are in the nuclear weapons program… even before the Trump purge, it was scary, and now with his culty loyalists… yikes.
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u/SpaceTimeinFlux 18h ago
Considering how much trade leverage California has, its in their best interests to make sure money changes hands at a rate that they decide. Nobody should be listening to the Mango Mobster's incoherent rambling.
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u/Hesitation-Marx 1d ago
Kinda hoping so tbh.
I grew up in a blue state, I live in a different blue state now. I’m tired of being yoked to red states who are virulently anti-science, anti-education, anti-liberty.
I went into a silent rage a few days ago thinking about how - if not for Dubya and his evangelical coalition - we might have had effective and applicable stem cell treatments by now, including possibly a cure for my husband’s cancer (liver and pancreas transplant grown off his stem cells).
I am tired of paying federal taxes so that I can have Cletus Billy McFuckwit (R) tell me that I’m not really a person and shouldn’t have the right to vote because of my gender, and that I should be in prison because I believe everyone should have their basic needs met.
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u/Mindless-Football-99 1d ago
What do you guys think you happen if all the reciprocal tarrifs were placed on just the red states? Would that cause the money in the US to start gravitating there?
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u/AgisDidNothingWrong 1d ago
Very backwards. If the tariffs were only applied to red states, those states would become absolutely destitute. The blue states have the value, and the market. Red states' only economic strengths is land, usually. And oil for Texas. They are generally poor, economically speaking. Putting tariffs on poor states that can barely afford market competitiveness without tariffs would make them completely unviable.
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u/Mindless-Football-99 1d ago
So it could be an effective way to transfer power from those states to the more "responsible" ones? As well as try and nudge people to not vote fascist
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u/PaxAttax 21h ago
That would only stoke the isolationist sentiment further, I fear. It's important to remember that residents of these areas would get the domestic right wing messaging first, assuming the international position is shown to them at all. (Which it probably wouldn't) Even if it did, it would only inflame their persecution complex.
There is no help coming from the outside on this one, we have to solve this ourselves.
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u/Cranberryoftheorient 21h ago edited 18h ago
Thats not how things works. Not unless America actually breaks up.
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u/the_jak 21h ago
im fine with that. they asked for it, after all.
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u/Mindless-Football-99 13h ago
Literally. If Trump sends us to war that would be the last 4 Republican presidents that have invaded a sovereign country or gone to war
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u/the_jak 9h ago
I have a daughter and she’s a kid, so no danger of her being drafted or otherwise serving. But if I had a son, I’d spend all my money helping him get out of the country because fuck going to war for old white rich men. I spent my 20s doing that and I hope I’m the last veteran my family produces.
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u/Matman161 1d ago
You know things are going well when states start taking on the powers and responsibilities of the federal government
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u/semaj009 1h ago
Still Americans. I don't want jail slave labour produce, either. Still gonna buy Canadian, Danish, or my own beloved Aussie Penguinian over Californian as an Aussie
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u/h20poIo 1d ago
Will the countries be subject to the tariffs?
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u/PaxAttax 21h ago edited 21h ago
Yes, importing into California would still be subject to Trump's tariffs, but Newsom is saying that he will try to negotiate exemptions to the reciprocal tariffs that other countries have already announced on goods/services exported from California.
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