r/LinkedInLunatics 1d ago

Looks like someone wants to control his employees with this cheap excuse.

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u/lolwlol 1d ago

This is definitely a guy who fills everyone’s calendars with meetings that would be better off as emails and then complains when actual work isn’t getting done in a timely manner.

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u/StoicSpork 1d ago

And then calls for a meeting to discuss why the delivery will not be on time.

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u/Uberazza 1d ago

The same manager that lets you go on leave, calls you to wonder where you are because they forgot. Then slams you when you are getting back to wonder why nothing got done in your absence. Bonus points if they force you to take leave off because you have banked more than 4 weeks and it’s a company liability.

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u/SpringrollsPlease 21h ago

And reiterating in the meeting what was already mentioned 158x in the email chains. It must be “discussed”. Wtf lol

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u/Other_Log_1996 1d ago

Corporate has called this meeting to schedule the meeting about where we will hold the meeting scheduling meeting which will tell us about the meeting as to why we need more meetings

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u/origamipapier1 1d ago

Oh man, this is GOLD! I wish I had awards to give. This is so freaking true and full on US Corporate life.

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u/stacked_shit 1d ago

The same person who holds meetings where they discuss future meetings. They also call you "family"

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u/maringue 1d ago

When your entire job is just presenting the work other people have done to your boss, you need a lot of meetings to justify why they shouldn't just send a project update to your boss and cut you out of the loop.

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u/MrOphicer 1d ago

I DO not care, thank you. Glad we cleared it out.

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u/dolphone 1d ago

Lol, yeah. Like um, message delivered? Thanks for a meeting that could've been an email (that I also would not read).

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u/MrOphicer 1d ago

*AI generated email*

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u/UnableChard2613 1d ago

And we're all shocked by the rto push lol

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u/tsimen 1d ago

Because noone in an office has ever half-assed a meeting

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u/idiotsbydesign 1d ago

What were we talking about again?

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u/Necessary-Yak-5433 1d ago

Hey real quick, before we wrap up here and go home for the weekend, I have an insanely specific question that only applies to me that I was hoping I could ask and then not listen to the answer to so you need to explain it to me in front of everybody like two or three times.

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u/Several-Assistant-51 1d ago

Friday meetings are the worst

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u/Sad-Chocolate2911 1d ago

Even in person.

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u/IntelligenzMachine 1d ago

Normalise “this website is not your personal blog” responses on linkedin

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u/SirGeorgeAgdgdgwngo 1d ago

As much as I hate LinkedIn, the feed aspect is kind of a personal blog.

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u/Protodankman 1d ago

Why I deleted LinkedIn. Got a new phone and at first only had the apps I use most logged in. Then logged in to others and realised how much bullshit there was on them and coming from them as notifications. I’ll redownload and reactivate if I want to change jobs again and that’s about it.

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u/Sargentrock 1d ago

Psssht--they WISH I was half-engaged. You'll get my 10% and like it!

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u/TheVoicesOfBrian 1d ago

I've had my camera on and still been called out for not paying attention because I was head down writing notes.

These people are toxic extroverts that need other people's energy to feel good about themselves.

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u/Anthrobug 1d ago

Exactly. We’re adults, this isn’t grade school where attention mattered. People can decide what to concentrate on; if they do a bad job, that’s when you talk about attention. If that’s even the issue.

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u/Sargentrock 1d ago

Or it's a paddlin'. Depending on where you work, of course. It happens a lot on the webcams I watch, anyway. Since it's on the clock I call them meetings, and I am FULLY paying attention if you get my meaning...

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u/Wonderful_Pension_67 1d ago

Not extroverts, narcissist who need constant validation! They were the first to add their picture to email, post on any social media platform for likes etc. Optics not outcome is the rule

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u/GreyerGrey 1d ago

They can be both.

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u/Wonderful_Pension_67 1d ago

Isn't that SCARY

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u/SignificantPop4188 1d ago

Yeah, that happened to me once. I snapped back at my boss that I was paying attention because I was taking notes.

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u/TheVoicesOfBrian 1d ago

I did the same. She got pissed because I was calling her out for creating a meeting last minute and was dumping a heap of info on me and my team when she could have written it up as an email and then had the meeting to discuss it.

Meanwhile, other people in the meeting were just starting vapidly at their camera absorbing nothing.

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u/SourTurnsToSweet 15h ago

Bad manager right?

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u/GreyerGrey 1d ago

My boss has never done that (he knows I'm a note taker), but someone else in our company (who is on his level, a fellow President from a different arm of the company) did. He sent me a chat that said "Hold up your notes." So I did. I had 4 pages of DETAILED notes with who said what and what actionable items we had and who had to do what and what the timeline was.

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u/ep3ep3 1d ago

Wild. Small company? not sure that would fly where I am having someone outside of my direct chain of command pulling something like that off.

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u/Own_City_1084 1d ago

Toxic extroverts, that’s perfect

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u/origamipapier1 1d ago

As an Extrovert myself. He can f**k right off of my zoom/teams meeting.

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u/Vince_IRL 1d ago

I've hosted multi-hour meetings while lying in my blacked out bedroom in my bed, with the laptop on my belly and a headset on my head.

My VP had to make a choice: Either she has me at my most efficient or i switch on my camera and do the "i'm a normal adult being" song and dance. She decided she wanted my best performance and let me be weird, I appreciate that.

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u/TheVoicesOfBrian 1d ago

It's frustrating. I'm in IT and a manager. I want my team comfortable and efficient. I don't GAF what they're wearing or what state their hair is in. I treat them with respect and hold them accountable for deliverables, not whether or not they're staring into a camera.

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u/Iammattieee 1d ago

They just want validation that people are paying attention. Any time they feel they aren't they get upset. Probably didn't get the attention they needed when younger.

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u/pfeff 1d ago

I turned my camera off for a few minutes so I could take a shit (muted, airpods on) and got a passive aggressive note from my boss "I prefer everyone have their cameras on "

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u/TheVoicesOfBrian 1d ago

I used to "mute" my camera when I had to blow my nose and got called out for it. So...guess what everyone gets to watch now?

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u/kreyanor 1h ago

I regularly shut off my camera to cough. I figure my colleagues don’t want to see the sputum I bring up. I think that is far more respectful to my colleagues than letting them see me bring up half a lung.

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u/Major_Lawfulness6122 1d ago

Omg yes. Its actually exhausting

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u/mrbootsandbertie 1d ago

These people are toxic extroverts that need other people's energy to feel good about themselves.

100% and corporate is full of them.

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u/ToxicPilot 1d ago

My wife was once called out for taking notes at an in-person training session… wtf is wrong with some people..?

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u/Any_Natural383 1d ago

I’ve been called out for looking at memes instead of doing the training module. I finished first? Sorry y’all need to catch up.

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u/Rammsteinman 1d ago

You can use nvidia broadcast to AI generate your eye staring at the camera. It's fucking creepy.

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u/chevalier716 1d ago

Most of the time the camera is off because they have trouble hiding contempt for dudes like this when they speak.

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u/Melissab1512 1d ago

This!!! I legit have told my boss numerous times, thank god my camera was off because my poker face sucks.

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u/woahwoahwoah28 1d ago

My old job was pretty strict on cameras. And my best co-worker would PM me “fix your face” because I’d have such contempt.

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u/Ragverdxtine 1d ago

Have none of these people ever been on a phone -call? Why do you need to see everyone?

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u/othermegan 1d ago

Seriously, how did these people survive conference calls before Zoom?

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u/secondcomingwp 1d ago

You're talking like video conferencing hasn't been a thing for decades already :) I do agree though I hate being on camera.

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u/Terrible_Cow9208 23h ago

It’s not natural. It isn’t anything like being in a real room of people. The camera is hyper focused on each individual and their every move.

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u/LhongDuqhDohng 11h ago

I had a Sr VP who would put his face so close to his laptop that you only got brows to chin Another was the opposite and that dude would sit far back so you would see his whole body

I would make believe I was squishing him with my fingers

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u/SeVenMadRaBBits 1d ago

What is this mentality that people work better when being stated at?

No one likes having someone look over their shoulder when they're doing something let alone being stared at.

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u/ThimbleBluff 1d ago

Pre-Covid, I always worked in an office, always for big companies with multiple locations. Most of my time was spent working with colleagues in other cities (US, Canada and Europe), and with clients, attorneys and accountants whose offices were anywhere from a block away to across the country. About 90% of my job was done via phone or written correspondence (snail mail, email, written reports).

I’ve had great professional relationships with dozens of people I never met or saw on a screen, or with executives and colleagues I might only see once or twice a year.

I really don’t understand this mentality.

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u/Stolberger 1d ago

A lot of meetings are superfluous anyways, so yeah, I'm only half-engaged at best.

So no need for camera

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u/MachinePlanetZero 1d ago

I've also found recently that it's often culturally dependent on the meeting. In team meetings or one ones, yes to camera, cross team or tech leed meetings, generally people dont bother. Plus sometimes, people are eating at their desks

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u/solidcurrency 1d ago

My company is the same way. Most people turn their cameras on for small meetings, but off for meetings of 100+ people where only a dozen people actually speak, especially if it's being recorded.

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u/clandestinemd 1d ago

If your background is “messy,” clean it up.

Clean my house on company time? You’re on, motherfucker.

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u/SPMend 1d ago

With kids, so overtime it is

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u/juiceboxedhero 1d ago

How about we stop shoving camera's in peoples' faces who are just trying to get through the fucking work day

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u/Hopalong_Manboobs 1d ago

“Hey there you stressed busy introvert, how’s about we interrupt your flow and beam a bad angle shot of your face right at these obligatory acquaintances you barely know?”

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u/alexgetshacked 1d ago

I have multiple project calls with guys literally standing in a field. They’d be the first ones to tell this homie to fuck all the way off.

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u/Venaegen 1d ago

Nah let's flip that around on LinkedIn Loser over here:

Why do you NEED to see someone on a camera? What's it say about you that someone not having a camera on causes this much upset? Are you not able to work effectively without seeing someone's face?

Because these all sound like "you" problems.

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u/HughJassul 1d ago

Why do you NEED to see someone on a camera?

You don't. I join meetings to solve problems, not stare at people. If the other person doesn't like that my camera is off, that's their problem not mine.

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u/Nesnosna 1d ago

I wish the most watery diarrhea attack on the 105 people applauding this shit.

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u/Average_Potato42 1d ago

I wish their internal monologue will forever be alternating between the voice of Gilbert Gottfried and Bobcat Goldthwait.

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u/BADoVLAD 1d ago

Tbh I wouldn't be able to stop laughing.

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u/scrotalsac69 1d ago

Have meetings that are worth it then, and also he must be about as engaging as watching a brick wall.

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u/BADoVLAD 1d ago

This is insulting to brick walls.

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u/raiseaglasstofreed0m 1d ago

If my camera’s on, I’m focused on what I look like and if I look engaged… which makes me miss things people are saying. It’s different from an in-person meeting, where you can SEE that someone (or no one) is looking at you, but if it’s just a camera in my face my brain freezes up trying not to embarrass me… which ends up embarrassing me. And I miss out on (potentially) important information.

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u/StoicallyGay 1d ago

Yep, I fucking hate camera on because of that. I feel like I’m way more fatigued. Also means I can’t sit comfortably.

I don’t see why it matters in cases where like I’m screen sharing and speaking especially. I’m obviously there.

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u/redzaku0079 1d ago

if my wifi is bad, the real problem is that you don't pay me enough to get good wireless equipment.

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u/othermegan 1d ago

Sorry, Boss, I can't afford fiberoptic and the only other ISP here is shit. I'm happy to upgrade if the company is willing to expense it for me

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u/AdhesivenessUnfair13 1d ago

Translation: "Appearance is more important than results."

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u/CPav 1d ago

As a wise man once said, "It is better to look good than to feel good."

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u/BADoVLAD 1d ago

And even wiser man said, "feelin good is good enough".

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u/lemmiwinks316 1d ago

"always hiring"

I'm sure

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u/Kerensky97 1d ago

We had a manager like this. She believed all cameras on to show engagement. But during the meetings where other people were presenting, or raising issues from other departments she would ALWAYS be muted and visibly talking to somebody else off camera.

It was so blatant it was either some petty power play or, trying to show off that "I'm so busy I have to have in person meetings while on conference calls." But it just came off as rude and disrespectful to all people suffering through the meetings.

Just another example of, "These rules are to control you, but don't apply to me."

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u/Plane-Statement8166 1d ago

We had a manager just like that and he pulled that crap many times when someone was presenting. Finally, he got his comeuppance when a higher level manager was on a call. The higher level manager calmly paused the meeting, apologizing to the person presenting for the interruption and then she snapped her fingers twice and said, “It would be best if everyone on this meeting were engaged and not chit chatting with their friends. We’ll wait.” He shut right up and turned about ten shades of red. And he did not pull that nonsense again.

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u/MisterBlick 1d ago

"This meeting could have been a fucking email"

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u/Expensive_Hermes 1d ago

If I’m on camera I’m looking at myself trying to make sure my face doesn’t show what a waste of time I think the meeting is. If I’m not on camera I’m getting actual work done while people blab on about their stupid weekend.

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u/SouthernJag 1d ago

Right! Because God forbid I look rude while looking at my SECOND monitor because I’m doing REAL work!! 😑

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u/agent-bagent Agree? 1d ago

Joking aside, this guy completely ignores the very real difference in how our brain reacts to camera-to-camera interactions vs irl interactions. Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1053811922007984

There is a reason video calls are physically exhausting for many and it seems to be directly related to our self-awareness of being on video. If you manage remote employees and can't respect this, you're just a shitty manager.

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u/rkesters 1d ago

So, having the cameras on actually increase stress and fatigue, compared to in person meetings and cameraless meetings.

This is because Zoom meetings with cameras simulate a panopticon, a near constant feeling of being watched. When you're in person, people are looking at the screen or the speaker, not constantly at you. In a cameraed meeting, it appears that everyone is staring at you.

study .)

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u/WhyHelloYo 1d ago

The people.who insist on cameras are the most unhinged narcissists. I've been remote for 20 years. Noooobody turned on a stupid camera until Covid. It's weird. I don't need a bunch of faces that close to my face.

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u/UnitCell 1d ago

Same here. Remote since way before Covid. We just called each other's phones then. Now all the sudden everyone wants to have remote meetings all the time, and then this weird fetish about having cameras in people's faces.

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u/Richunclskeletn 1d ago

I don't turn on my camera because I'm ugly and I don't want to look at my grizzly visage 

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u/Rocketboy1313 1d ago

It is so weird that they want the camera on.

You want to see the boredom and contempt on my face? My yawns as someone rambles about something no one has enough context to understand because the presentation is poorly structured?

Do you not remember how few fucks I give when we do meet in person?

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u/YT-Deliveries 1d ago

I had a manager who asked me "if I sent you a webcam would you use it on a meeting?"

I said "no". Never heard about it again.

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u/ReserveRatter 1d ago

So many of these little weirdo office authoritarians that aren't happy unless they are constantly bullying and spying on their own workers.

I imagine their businesses would actually be MORE efficient if it wasn't for this kind of stupidity.

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u/NotMyGovernor 1d ago

Truth is I’m ill and the time I gain not needing to shower etc before the morning call helps

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u/FelixTheEngine 1d ago

The world managed with conference calls for sixty years. You know, back when America was great. My face and my messy office don’t add any value.

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u/That_Jicama2024 1d ago

Yeah, because four hours of zoom meetings takes up time we should be using to DO OUR JOBS. I'm usually muted and camera off and am answering emails and taking phone calls.

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u/Eastbound_AKA 1d ago

In their defense, I am only half engaged because each of these fucking meetings could have been an e-mail.

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u/Key-Wrongdoer5737 1d ago

Let me guess, this guy has at least a 2 hour meeting every week that can be an email with 10 or fewer bullet points? 

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u/AllTheWorldIsAPuzzle 1d ago

"The best people show up"??? No, anyone can show up. Showing up is easy. The best people produce results that matter, and what a camera being on while I'm in a pointless meeting is going to show is me working on actual things that matter.

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u/maha420 1d ago

Middle management blowhard-type that everyone hates

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u/ImagineOurUtopia 1d ago

I need to be engaged with your ideas, not your face. Lol.

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u/Agile_Moment768 1d ago

Pay for my bandwidth. And I'll clean up on your dime. And if I smoke or drink or eat on cam, you ain't saying shit.

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u/ISuckAtJavaScript12 1d ago

Give me a better work laptop then! Turning on my webcam will crash it

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u/Such-Addition-2352 1d ago

Honestly before webcams we did conference calls and that was perfectly ok 👍

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u/Wordofadviceeatfood 6h ago

"Your bullshit Teams meeting could've been an Email, but instead here you are, listening to Michael from marketing take a mighty shit with his microphone unmuted."

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u/Elegant-Fox7883 1d ago

Enh, depends on the meeting. Small groups, yes, everyone put it on. 1 on 1 it really depends. if its a scheduled meeting, yes. cameras. if its a quick chat to clarify, no cam. If it's a team presentation, nah. dont need me. You cant see everyones squares anyway

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u/shootersf 1d ago

Yep. Surprised how much responses are no never! If I'm in a team meeting we will all have cams on unless someone has an issue, though we trust each other on this without question. Visual cues are still useful if we're all interacting. If I'm updating the team on something I'm doing, I'll often be side eyeing the lead to make sure what I'm saying doesn't sound terrifying to him :D

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u/Legal-Software 1d ago

My work laptop is sandwiched amongst a pile of other laptops on the ground and connects in to my KVM switch. I'm not changing around my working environment just to accommodate some ass clown.

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u/supa325 1d ago

Name the 5 best rappers ever: Drilon Drilon Drilon Drilon and Drilon

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u/learngladly 1d ago

Drilon Dynamite. Drilon da Dawg. Drilonius Funk. Devastating Drilon. Deus X Drilon.

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u/VanillaPossible45 1d ago

conference calls once had substance. now it's a narcissism parade of incompetent ass clowns who think they're on a TV show.

any who says fricking is a moron if you don't have the balls to say the real word, at least say friggin

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u/OG-BigMilky 1d ago

Maybe I just think your daily stand ups are fucking pointless and I prefer to do ACTUAL work?

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u/TheCoyoteDreams 1d ago

Fine.

✅ Background effect photo of a gas station toilet

✅Swap out office chair for old toilet on wheels

✅constantly play bathroom sounds in background

✅hang a roll of TP in view for uses as tissues etc.

✅occasionally make a scrunched face for effect

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u/ShogunDii 1d ago

"It signals that you don't care". Exactly, I don't

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u/ConundrumMachine 1d ago

They're all little fucking dictators

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u/MarsupialPresent7700 1d ago

My former boss tried to make a big deal about this. I walked. Glad I did.

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u/ahaeker 1d ago

There's a reason why he's always hiring . . .

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u/Mercuryshottoo 1d ago

I just don't want you to see me rolling my eyes at you

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u/PowRiderT 1d ago

Yah ide like a reasonable accommodation to not have to use my camera as my disability makes it extremely hard to focus when forced to pay attention to non important things.

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u/Corpshark 1d ago

How many of his colleagues wish he’d turn the camera off to alleviate their nausea.

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u/nickwcy 1d ago

I not stupid enough to believe that people are fully engaged in those in person meetings

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u/dcblackbelt 1d ago

Boohoo, you're mad people refuse to dance like a monkey on top of doing their job.

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u/macontac 1d ago

Like I'm going to pay attention with the camera on when this meeting could have been an emailed memo.

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u/Woofy98102 1d ago

More like an entitled asshole who wants to exploit every second of his wage slave's time like he owns them.

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u/sharkyire 17h ago

Fuck this dude.

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u/jillyjill86 4h ago

My camera is off because fuck you that’s why

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u/pina_koala 1d ago

Definitely lunatic posting, and the 5% of people that he thinks are 50%+ really can't be bothered to care about contributing meaningfully make it a problem for everyone else don't they...

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u/DisciplineNeither921 1d ago

Sounds like he’s projecting. My guess is this guy’s squirrel brain can’t focus on audio without staring at someone’s moving lips; therefore he assumes no one else can either.

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u/TheMikeDee 1d ago

I'm prepared to get downvoted, but I agree.

The corollary to this is: it's the onus of the person who calls the meeting to ensure that it's useful for everyone involved and the right people are in it.

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u/Greenfire32 1d ago

People like Drilon here are exactly why I work remotely now.

I'm not here for you, bud. I'm here for me. The whole reason I have a job is because I need money. That's it. That's as deep as it goes. Beyond my paycheck, I quite literally do not care.

And I'll let you in on a little secret: the same is true for everyone else.

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u/Exatex 1d ago

Isn’t that a valid stance? Human communication relies a lot on visual cues and it does make a difference.

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u/Orange_Kid 1d ago

I agree with you if you actually have an active role in the meeting. However, I'd bet anything that in many of the meetings he's talking about, people off camera don't need to be there.

If your meetings have a bunch of people off camera not doing anything, that's a sign to have fewer meetings with fewer people and stop wasting employees' and coworkers' time.

Also, even if you do need to be involved in a meeting, sometimes there's good reasons to be off camera, some of them personal. If it's every once in a while, there's really no benefit to prying or pressuring people to be on camera.

Finally, the importance of it is being overstated here. Lots of business was done perfectly fine over the phone, well before video calls where a thing. Even if it's valid that on camera is preferable, he's way exaggerating how big of a deal it is.

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u/blokeyone 1d ago

I agree. I don't like his tone at all. That said, I like to be able to see visual cues too. There are times when you don't need your camera on (ex. companywide BS meeting with 300 people). But with clients, you really should.

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u/shadowcatfan 1d ago

Meh. Many of my colleagues are in different time zones. If we have a very early or very late meeting (for me), that camera is staying off.

Additionally, with the lag that can occur with video meetings, those visual cues may not be worth anything because the video was frozen while the person was speaking.

Lastly, if you insist on scheduling meetings during my lunch, I am off camera because I do not want you to watch me eat.

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u/LavisAlex 1d ago

I find camera on distracts me from my work, being watched constantly divides focus.

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u/Unkown_Pr0ph3t 1d ago

Maybe I don't like people staring at me. I hate it when somebody stands behind me and looks at my book/drawing/screen. I don't care what you want, stand where I can see you if you need me otherwise I'm gonna sit there doing nothing until you move.

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u/Klinky1984 1d ago

Do we really need 5 dozen people turning their camera on making the meeting choppy, especially when it's one person presenting the entire time?

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u/XanderWrites 1d ago

I don't have conference calls (well, very rarely) but my boss does and she was very sad when they sent out cameras to everyone. It was always common for people to half listen while doing other tasks and yeah, now they have to focus more on the meeting.

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u/Ditovontease 1d ago

I just spend the whole time looking at myself tbh

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u/02meepmeep 1d ago

My blank screen & mute signify that I don’t want to have to deal with the aftermath of rolling my eyes and making snarking comments about all the stupid things you say.

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u/anemone_within 1d ago

The value I provide in a meeting can be supplied 100% through my language. What does my body language provide to the bottom line?

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u/Itchy_Hat7882 1d ago

Old fashioned mindset. A boomer wants told me "How can I do business if can't see their face? I couldn't trust them."

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u/DaintyDancingDucks 1d ago

"Let me see you, so I can judge you, regardless of what you say or do" - sure thing bud, bet OOP is the kind of person that pulls out their phones and just texts mid meeting on camera without giving a shit

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u/Shrimp_Logic 1d ago

If you hire people to then be paranoid they are not working, then you shouldn't be boss/manager/whatever.

Want to know if the work is being done? Schedule deadlines to be met. If the work is there he's a good employee, if not you either have a talk or fire him/her.

Micromanaging will have zero impact on productivity and big impact on moral, people will leave if you treat them like toddlers that need constant reminder they should be working.

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u/123ihavetogoweeeeee 1d ago

I just want to be clear; I don't care.

I'll turn my camera on when i have something to say.

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u/NecessaryIntrinsic 1d ago

Or don't have so many fricking meetings that don't directly involve me.

99% of the time I don't have my camera on because I'm doing actual work and you're talking about bullshit that doesn't involve anything I'm working up, but you "need" to see me.

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u/deadpantrashcan 1d ago

“My opinion about how people engage themselves is the only correct opinion.”

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u/Average_Potato42 1d ago

My camera is off to protect your feelings.

I don't think your fragile ego can handle seeing the dismissive wanking gesture I'm making every time you speak during a meeting that is likely a complete waste of my time.

If you want to see all the colorful hand gestures I'm making while you're wasting my time, I'll gladly turn my camera on.

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u/Suspicious-Shock-934 1d ago

Almost all teams.mettings I have been on could have been an email.

Almost all emails I have received, could have been truncated to be maybe 2 bullet points.

What do I need to do, in simple explicit language. Do thing A this way.

How long do I need to do it? Perpetually, next month, next quarter.

I never need a follow up email, a call, or anything, unless I am NOT doing it for whatever reason. Am I doing it? Leave me alone. Someone across the country/globe is not? EVERYONE does not need to know. Deal with them.

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u/Jazzlike_Tonight_982 1d ago

Its always about control with these people.

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u/Ordinary-Broccoli-41 1d ago

If your KPIs include "attention paid in meetings ", you need to hire a therapist, not a team

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u/dreadpiratemyk 1d ago

Have I missed a deadline or turned in low-quality work? No? Then STFU before I go work somewhere else.

If you can't trust the people you hire, the problem is you.

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u/othermegan 1d ago

I'm not hiding. I'm fucking multitasking. If I was in office you'd be legally required to give me multiple 30 minute breaks to pump breastmilk. By working from home and going off camera, I can pump during your pointless meeting that could have been an email. But by all means, if you're going to require cameras on, I'll ask that you please plan around my pumping schedule.

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u/BlackExcellence19 1d ago

I bet this dude is a really great guy to work for

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u/hotelvampire 1d ago

"always hiring" i bet he is

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u/peccavi26 1d ago

"Always hiring..." sounds about right.

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u/Speedvagon 1d ago

Are they gonna pay for the good effort some extra then, to motivate it? A rhetorical question.

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u/Tady1131 1d ago

Brought to you by the same assholes who bitch about everyone being glued to a screen. Related to the lady who calls the cops on kids playing outside and then says “what’s wrong with that youth today, no one goes outside anymore”

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u/xiaopewpew 1d ago

Ofc i dont care… i can “not care” even with my camera on…

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u/Better_Sherbert8298 1d ago

I focus a lot better on what’s being said when I’m not distracted by Brady Brunch faces and backgrounds. Also the blurs people use are a drag on the bandwidth.

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u/coreyz1103 1d ago

To a certain extent, I dont disagree. Really depends on the meeting and audience.

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u/Thunderplant 1d ago

I hate how these people always think that their personal experience must apply to every other human.

Just because this dude doesn't focus as well without video, doesn't mean that's true of everyone else. People certainly focus just fine through phone calls and no one ever had an issue with that

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u/Gman777 1d ago

If it’s that important, his employees (and himself) should all be in the office.

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u/Wranorel 1d ago

I worked in a place where all people, except for the manager, had to face the wall, so he could go around and always see what you were doing. This is what this guy makes me think of.

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u/Gullflyinghigh 1d ago

Oddly enough, I'm working less when my camera is on. When there's no need to look like I'm listening (I already would be, just not having to give that impression visually) I'll be doing something else at the same time. This one's a dingdong.

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u/Adorable-Strength218 1d ago

I want to see your ass on camera Drillin. I want to see what your doing every minute of the day. These people get paid to do a job, not be monitored 24/7 by a busy body needing more to do with his time.

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u/sea126 1d ago

I can see why he’s always hiring.

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u/Istanbulexpat 1d ago

Anyone want to tell him what business life was like before 10 years ago. Literal phone calls and speaker phones, and the world did not end. What a power trip.

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u/frog_turnip 1d ago

How do you say "I want a 5 day in office mandate" without saying "I want a 5 day in office mandate"

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u/Fearless_Guitar_3589 1d ago

I'll turn on the camera so you all can see that I haven't showered, I need to shave, I'm wearing a stained shirt, and my place is a mess. if you think that's a good look for the company, sweet... glad to hrlp

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u/Adept_Advantage7353 1d ago

Your best employees are only half engaged if you’re lucky..

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u/origamipapier1 1d ago

Oh an extrovert trying to control an introvert.

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u/Crepuscular_Tex 1d ago

Wonder why he's always hiring

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u/GreyerGrey 1d ago

What kind of meeting is it? Is this a big group meeting where the guy or gal in charge talks at us? No, I'm not turning my camera on. You aren't worth putting on a clean shirt.

Is this a meeting between myself and a supplier? A one on one, or a two on two? Yes. This is worth me putting on mascara and my good glasses (the ones where I don't look like the gargoyle of the reference section).

If my presence won't be missed, my camera won't be on.

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u/aledba 1d ago

I work in AML. Actually even with the camera off I'm the one in our weekly unusual transaction report meetings who engages the most. Don't like being on camera for these because then you can see my face and watch me pick at my fingers while I try to stimulate myself so I don't get bored out of my tree. Yay autism.

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u/Exciting_Thing2916 1d ago

If I wanted to hide, and I didn’t care, I wouldn’t come to another stupid pointless meeting where three people railroad everyone else.

My wifi is genuinely bad. If you want me frozen and blurred on the screen while I hear zero of your meeting, I will hide better with the camera on.

These people lack critical thinking skills.

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u/PotentialDig7527 1d ago

Yeah, I'm sure it's not because I've been on camera for 7 of 8 hours already and had a headache from the glare of staring at the camera about hour 5.

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u/labashpwet 1d ago

Meanwhile my company requires employees to turnoff their video during meetings to avoid distractions 😅

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u/AQ-XJZQ-eAFqCqzr-Va 1d ago

Maybe if you were more likeable, they might want to participate more.

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u/tehjoz 1d ago

I have a short, once a week, team meeting where we do show up on camera, along with a monthly managerial check in where the camera is on.

I think it's reasonable in those cases.

But in every other case?

No dot Bugs Bunny dot gif.

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u/jwrsk 1d ago

Extroverts trying to ruin remote work, Season 4 Episode 20...

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u/LAMACOPO 1d ago

Get yourself a cup that says "this meeting should have been an email" and make sure to bring it up to your face often for everyone to see.

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u/reluctant_lifeguard 1d ago

“Meetings aren’t podcasts,” so turn on that webcam to make it feel like a podcast.

Ok, broccoli headed thought leader

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u/totheflagofusa 1d ago

My computer did not come with a camera

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u/MagnusCromulus 1d ago

I bet he’s know around the office as “Dildon”

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u/Status-Part5848 1d ago

I been in some Teams meetings.

And this is mabye the first person i agree with 🤣🤣

I have used cam not working excuse myself, and did the meeting while taking a walk after work 🤣🎉

The meeting was not work related, but also kinda work related 😱

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u/KaleidoscopeSharp190 1d ago

“My camera is broken…” for THREE YEARS!

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u/Delic10u5Bra1n5 Titan of Industry 1d ago

Sounds like he makes bad hires

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u/nanotasher 1d ago

I work from home every day. I don't turn on my camera. I still get more done in a day than this guy.

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u/imveryfontofyou 1d ago

Absolutely crazy, lmao.

My last team used to have cameras on and it was insanely distracting, my new company is cameras off for every meeting and it's so much better. I can actually focus on what's being said instead of watching their background or myself.

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u/TheLucksRunOut 1d ago

I agree with him. I’ve fired people for not being present when they’re required, and I’ve fired them for not being present at remote meetings. If I say your name twice and you don’t respond, gone.

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u/Zachmode 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is a sub that’s against working hard and progressing to make a lot of money. I’m not surprised most of you that are protesting against this influencer’s work ethic and expectations.

You guys are kinda weird. You want all the things, but don’t want to do what’s required to get all the things.

It’s really simple. Turn your camera on and pay attention like you were in office. “Nooooo it’s the end of the world, I can’t believe they expect me to do that” 😂

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u/flygrim 1d ago

No wonder he’s “always hiring…”