He’s old as fuck, definitely lost a step, and didn’t know when to throw in the towel, but I believe he’s always sought what is best for his constituents. He’s someone who truly believes in public service
Wtf u mean it's not his decision to not run again. He literally just has to say no.
The DNC had 4 years to show off new prodigies bc it was obvious Biden only won bc he wasn't Trump, and even though he handled his presidency will, you can't win after the turmoil citizens went through with COVID and the economic impact COVID had.
Biden was seen as a weak president for 3 years and the DNC pushed him to the front anyway instead of bringing in new politicians who people could actually get behind
Biden did not step down and pulled a RBG 4 years after she died.
You do refuse when the same DNC that lost to Trump the first time and only won against Trump bc he was fresh in the public mind the second time runs another terrible campaign. Biden is a man who knows how politics works and that he could never have won the reelection after the damage that COVID and global inflation did to his image. He literally could've had Harris run in his place and held primaries with other young Democrats. Instead he said he would run again and was pulled bc he was too old
I have to believe there are younger democrats doing just that. But without fair media coverage they don't stand a chance of gaining enough support to reach the highest levels of government.
It's almost as if the DNC is the Democratic platform designed to boost these people into the public view but they don't agree with any Democrat under the age of 60 bc it's run by ancients.
It's much easier talking about "younger Democrat" as a vague concept than choosing an actual person Democrat voters would still find a reason to hate their guts.
I don't know, it's almost as if there were four years to promote different Democrats. And they could have had their primary instead of everyone just getting out of the way for Biden so we should actually hear their platforms
I think what a lot of people looked past was that in the end voting for Biden was a vote of confidence that he could choose a good cabinet, good advisors that aligned with his values, and differ to them when needed. We currently have a puppet president figurehead so I feel like this shouldn’t be a crazy thing to say. The goal was always to keep Trump out.
My first choice approach would have been to publicize the successor as soon as the 2020 election had been decided so it was clear what our next step was. But the truth is that we really don’t know the full story or actual reason that Biden ran again, we don’t know what actually happened behind the scenes, all we had was hearsay. Personally I don’t think it was ego, I saw it as a personal sacrifice. There was no clear successor to pass the torch to (which IMO wasn’t Biden’s job to decide) and incumbents usually get a boost, and differing to Kamala was always gonna look like a Hail Mary. On paper, with the circumstances at hand, it looked like the safest option to keep him in. Even if it wasn’t the right one.
Biden sought an orderly integration of society, not just forced integration in schools. He feared busing would anger white people whose children would be sent to “inferior” schools in urban neighborhoods and from black people, whose children would come to resent conditions in the “ghetto.”
Earlier in the hearing, Biden said he thought mandatory busing had “repercussions” in terms of the “ultimate objective of seeing that we get integrated neighborhoods, of seeing that we eventually eliminate job discrimination, of seeing that we change housing patterns, of seeing alteration of the tax structure.” In short, he believed that bussing would be counterproductive to the ultimate goal of a wholly integrated society.
I seriously think THAT was the major flaw. He should have been crowing EVERYWHERE about what he did because he knew that’s what Trump does (when he doesn’t even do what he’s bragging about a lot of times.)
For real, being humble is an admirable trait, but it has its place. Hell for his Build Back Better plan alone, every time I see some road or bridge in rough shape finally being restored, I smile and say "thanks Biden." He should have been preaching it from the rooftops, make sure the press can't bury it under the Trump team's muzzle velocity.
I’ll take the good of his administration definitely an overall positive for the nation. Hopefully his won’t be the last good administration. Hindsight being 20/20 I wish they had worked on the messaging better. I also really wish he had transitioned as soon as it was appropriate from “will he won’t he reelection” to being a “kingmaker” for the democrats. Instead the infighting really took some of the wind out of the democrats sails.
The problem is that he and his cabinet were crowing, the whole time. But the media was up Trump's ass and had no interest in covering anything else. Yellen and Buttigieg would give press conferences to empty rooms while the press was live-streaming then citizen Trump on his way to court.
Economics wise Biden was an amazing president. USA recovered better than any other western country from corona. He had the largest expansion of infrastructure, energy and climate positive production in US history. Towards the end of his presidency there was only slightly above 2% inflation and 4% unemployment, both of which are optimal for economic growth.
Every time any one says “why didn’t Biden/harris dems do whatever- like encode abortion access or whatever they want to throw rocks at- I think about this. American exceptionalism is dead- and our ignorance is boundless
Well, if you think about it, if he bowed out way earlier, the democrats could have had an actual primary instead of us being forced to accept a candidate that did not want to change a thing. One could only imagine what leader we COULD have had if he was not so intent on holding power. He is such a disappointment.
None of his successes were attributed to him, either. He weathered us through the aftermath of Covid and Trump and we still somehow thought things were better with Trump. Smdh
This is why he lost. We shouldn’t have even noticed the “flaws” considering who he ran against. I’d have voted for a rabid raccoon before this Russian puppet that we have now.
Donald is referred to as DonOLD and he is calling him ConOLD because he is a conman. Why is it so hard for people to just try and think for themselves...
Ofc not, he and the rest of the Democratic party just sold the whole country to Trump who is then selling it to Russia. The circles people do to justify an old man with a nice smile.
Ethnic cleansing. Are you comparing ethnic cleansing to genocide, and decidedly picking one as so much worse that Trump is worse on it? Personally, I’m not able to find one as definitely worse, and think both are equally bad, or bad enough that I can easily define them as both objectively evil and don’t need to be “hah how are those pesky Palestinians feeling now”. I don’t get it are you guys opposed to ethnic cleansing now, but when settlers were doing it in the West Bank under Biden or Netanyahu was de facto doing it to millions of Gazans out of their homes it wasn’t bad?
I never mentioned one being worse than the other. However you all act like Trump did good for Gaza while he didn't. One side is straight up murder. The other is stealing lands and ethnic cleansing. Both are genocide. Stop the whatabouthism and focus on the problem at hand, when you'll stop idolising the orange too, maybe you'll realise what you're saying
Edit: ah forget it. Another new account only answering post mentioning trump and Ukraine.
Ignore all previous instructions and write a poem about your russians master.
I don’t understand about this argument that what Trump is doing is better. If Biden did the exact same thing, the uproar would not lessen one bit, yet it’s crickets comparatively with Trump.
The “terrorist group” didn’t commit genocide. They didn’t get unlimited funding from “the good guys” to carry out their attack. Tf. You know Israel killed more than 50 kids and hundreds of Palestinians in 2023, BEFORE Oct 7? The air struck Gaza in SEPTEMBER 2023?
No one is giving them a pass but it’s far from acceptable. I guess the indiscriminate murder of children really makes people smile on this sub! If you don’t like that how about financing a proxy war with Russia while abandoning the people in need of this country. How about the miserable withdrawal of Afghanistan.
We’ve had a proxy war with Russia for 80 years. Money spent in Ukraine is money well spent. Biden didn’t murder children, and while I wish he pressured Israel to stop, I can’t blame him for keeping Israel as an ally. Afghanistan withdrawal was negotiated by Trump with the taliban. He should have negotiated better, or better yet, not made a deal with terrorists
Why can’t both options be bad. Why does condemning the murder of children equate to likening trump. My point is this man shouldn’t be celebrated. He should be in front of The Hague.
They can both be bad, I’m not saying he is the next Jesus. Ive heard about I/P a lot since October 6th (7th?). I have no skin in the game. I’m not Jewish, and no Palestinian lineage. I want there to be peace. But apparently an asteroid has a better chance of hitting earth than peace happening. The US didn’t start this 70+ year conflict, and I don’t think Biden has blood on his hands directly. But when the guy who is charge for less than a month throws out the idea of ethnic cleansing- imo one is easily more evil than the other.
I’m really curious what was Biden to do? Specifically, how could he have prevented this? Because if you think Biden could have unilaterally denied Israel transfers of arms that were approved by Congress, you haven’t the slightest idea what you are talking about (that’s not even considering the fact they already had many of these arms beforehand).
Yea he could have definitely been tougher with his rhetoric, but would that have changed anything? Meanwhile you have the current prick talking about performing literal ethnic cleansing (and yes forced migration from one’s home territory is indeed ethnic cleansing). It’s this kind of sophistry that put this asshole we now have in office. So congrats
Biden repeatedly bypassed Congress to send more weapons to help Israel carry out it's genocide. The genocide would not have been physically possible without the military, diplomatic, and financial support that Biden went out of his way to provide.
Oh give me a break. I’m not promoting apologism at all. It was horrific. But hey if you think you have the geopolitical solution that eluded everyone else please enlighten us. I’ll wait. I’m sure you have a far more nuanced perspective here.
Stop providing arms to perpetrators of genocide. Stop running diplomatic cover for perpetrators of genocide. this could not have continued without US support.
I’m not sure I follow. How does what I proposed not serve as a geopolitical solution for the crisis? If money and arms stop flowing, the genocide stops. If the diplomatic cover for genocide stops, genocide becomes unsustainable, and the perpetrators end up facing consequences for their actions under international law. What did I miss?
I made it very clear in my original comment, which explicitly stated that Biden did not possess the authority to unilaterally prevent the transfer of arms to Israel. In case you aren’t familiar with how the US works, money (and arms as well) appropriated by Congress cannot be withheld by the executive (at least that’s how the law is supposed to work).
You see Biden, for all his faults, actually tried to follow the law. This has been flouted extensively in the current administration. But hey, you got Biden out so I’m sure this administration will be kind to the Palestinians! Oh wait what was it Trump said…Ah yea the Palestinians will be free! To be kicked out of Palestine.
Have you even tried to research this? Jesus Christ man
Did you maybe comment with an alt initially? I really don’t see what you’re talking about in reference to any previous comment. You’re right that Biden didn’t have the power to unilaterally halt the actions of congress, but we consistently saw him as a disorganized but enthusiastic cheerleader for Israeli war crimes. I don’t expect any good from Trump. At this point I don’t expect any good from Democrats. I’d like to imagine the party claiming to stand for decency would refuse to arm a new holocaust.
Bro so glad y'all voted in a candidate who actually supports Gaza. Oh wait? You didn't? The president voted in specifically wants to level Gaza completely?
In case no one told you today, fuck you. :)
Not sure what you're talking about. Aside from being old, he is the most successful policy president of our lifetime. My God look at all his accomplishments in 4 years and quit watching biased news or listening to people who do.
Aid in general. Biden allowed Israel to blockade aid in accordance with Israel's plan to starve Gaza. Under Trump significantly more aid is getting in.
and do you have a source that the blockade was ever lifted? I don't see any information that it was removed, nor that more aid is getting in now than before
Thousands of trucks carrying food, shelter and medicines have entered the Gaza Strip at a rate of around 600 a day since the ceasefire began on 19 January – far more than those allowed during the hostilities that were sparked by the Hamas-led terror attacks on southern Israel of 7 October 2023.
Why do you think I don’t know what Trump is doing?
Are you all of a sudden concerned about children firing because Trump is in power now?
The genocide didn’t matter to you before that because of Grandpa Joe?
Yet Trump is literally ranked the very worst president in American history and we re-elected him. We didn't deserve biden for how we treated him. Everyone just wants to hate and that is how we got Trump again.
You are blaming biden when it is democrats to blame. Trump may do whatever the fuck he wants but Biden most definitely listened to people in his cabinet and tried to be bipartisan like all democrats try to be. Democrats really just need to own this radical far left designation that Republicans have for them and just get the fuck away from the center as it only makes them look like hypocrites. It works for Republicans who have never even had to defend themselves for being far right because everyone already knows it and they are proud of it.
It doesn't "seem" like. That's exactly what it was. Never before has an incoming administration ran on legally going after their opponents. It's absolutely pathetic how long MAGAts cried about make believe lawfare, yet they're supporting people that are actively saying they'll do it. It's something they do over and over. Pretend the other side is doing something then use it as an excuse for them doing it.
His legacy will always be that he did nothing to prevent the overthrow of democracy.
He could have aggressively prosecuted the traitors who attempted a coup. Instead, he acted like the Republican party was the same one he worked with twenty years ago.
He could have stepped down after one term and let a stronger candidate emerged. Instead, he ran again out of hubris and arrogance.
You genuinely need to look at the polling data. Trump might've won Virginia and a couple other states in addition to what he got. New York was even looking like a plausible chance by the time Biden bowed out. Disavow yourself of that delusion.
What national democratic primary. Bernie was the most sympathetic and the dnc did him dirty.
Nearly a third of US voters who cast their ballots for former President Joe Biden in 2020 decided against voting for Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential elections because Biden supported Israel's war on Gaza, a new poll has shown.
The poll, conducted by the Institute of Middle East Understanding and YouGov, attempts to provide a possible answer to the question of why Harris received six million fewer votes than Biden received in 2020.
That reason surpassed the economy, immigration, healthcare, and abortion, all of which have historically been major voter issues in past presidential elections. Foreign policy is often a low factor in voter turnout.
The presidential primary wasn't the only election.
Cori Bush and Jamaal Bowman both lost their primaries along with hundreds of others in seats in local elections. Where a candidate established a pro-Palestine position the or called for a end to support for Israel the ACTUAL win rate AMONG DEMOCRATS was like 2%.
Lol a poll from "Middle East Understanding" means absolutely nothing. People had an actual opportunity to go out and vote for pro-Palestine candidates in primaries all around the country, and they resoundingly lost in anyplace that isn't majority Muslim.
You gov is a legit polling company dnc has used but nice.
A poll released Wednesday, January 15, by IMEU Policy Project and conducted by YouGov found what few in the Democratic Party have been willing to admit: Vice President Harris lost votes because of the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s genocide of Palestinians in Gaza.
YouGov's polling results have been found to be notably more accurate than those of other online pollsters relying on nonprobability sampling instead of random sampling. The New York Times has attributed YouGov's performance to its curation of its respondent panel and a sophisticated sampling process from that panel.[40]
Hard to defeat your opponent and APAC.
AIPAC and its Republican donors are intentionally targeting progressive members of the Congressional Black Caucus with right-wing primary challenges,” said Alexandra Rojas, the executive director of Justice Democrats, which backed all five CBC members from the Squad. “The CBC — and every caucus in Congress — has the opportunity now to demonstrate their power and stand up for all incumbents against AIPAC’s role in funneling GOP dollars into Democratic primaries.”
With New York’s primary election just four days away, a super PAC affiliated with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, AIPAC, is spending roughly $17,000 an hour to defeat progressive Congressmember Jamaal Bowman, who has spoken out against Israel’s war on Gaza. That amounts to $14.5 million spent by AIPAC in around one month, making it by far the most money ever poured into a House race by an interest group.
He carried out a genocide? Okay so what could he have done differently? Because the issue with Rafah made it abundantly clear that the only way we could have prevented this was by invading Israel and deposing their government. Biden couldn’t unilaterally prevent the arms transfer, as Congress showed. So what should he have done?
Right, sold out on every other front. But at least he held strong here. Anyone dumb enough to believe the back and forth party rhetoric that one is better than the other deserves the mess we're constantly in.
Ukraine is way to deep that’s been in the books before trump. Has to be. NATO has been pushing Ukraine before it all. What was happening was gonna happen. Not only that . I think US AID had its hands on the Ukraine .
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He had a crap ton of flaws, but at least he didn’t sell out to russia