r/MartialMemes • u/Dry_Specialist9015 • Feb 25 '25
Question If all four of these people were brought into the xianxia universe and had to start from zero (without the power they had in their old world). Who do you think would be able to go the farthest, and what level would they reach? And who would be most likely to die first?
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u/Alzusand Feb 25 '25
Goku would deffinetly reach the furtherst his motivation for living is getting stronger and fighting stronger oponents he would deffinetly find a teacher or sect and participate in every tournament possible.
Naruto would likely become a sect leader. thats basically what the hokage is. he has enough talent but he might be too reckless to archieve it alone he deffinetly needs a master.
Luffy has talent but he has a tendency to pick fights way above his level. he needs a crew to bail him out because people in xianxia tend to finish the job way more than in one piece he also does aim for the top so he deffinetly has a chance to reach very high.
tanjiro is a good person but he doesent fight to be a top tier. he fights for necesity. he has the talent and heaven defying technique but he doesent want to reach the peak he just wanted to get rid of the demons. wich I guess would be demonic cultivators. so he would need to be as strong as the strongest demonic cultivator then he would just stop fighting and reiter.
So I would put them like this
Goku > Luffy > Naruto > Tanjiro
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
My issue is if Goku isn’t taken in by a fairly high-level person almost immediately he’s going to challenge someone far stronger to him and get killed fairly quickly. No matter how talented he is if a Qi gather fights a golden soul it results in the former dying
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u/Alzusand Feb 25 '25
Goku is not suicidal like that. he also has that charisma that even made beerus the god of destruction not kill him when he challenged him.
he challenged him. held back against him by testing transformations and then got oneshot but he was alive.
Im sure that even if goku walked into a sect and challenged the sect master to a fight he would come out alive even if he get defeated in one move.
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u/taimoor2 Feb 26 '25 edited 10d ago
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
I’d say berrus has more patience than your average sect master or young master.
Default response is “you dare” then getting killed/crippled
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u/Piotro165 Feb 26 '25
Blud destroyed half a planet cuz food was only good.
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u/hellthefaknaway Feb 26 '25
I feel like tanjiro would get himself killed very quickly purely because he has a very strong moral compass and would attempt to intervene as soon as he sees any of the typical bullshit prevalent in xianxia.
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u/BestSun4804 Feb 26 '25
About the same...
But I don't think Goku would go too far... Due to his characteristic of like and enjoy fighting, and would spare his oppenant, just for him to get strong and back to fight him again... LOL
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u/Misalem Feb 26 '25
He has enough resources*. If it depended on Naruto's talent at the end of the anime he would still be trying to reach sannin mode.
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u/Leather-Location677 Feb 26 '25
The Naruto world is a xianxia.
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u/Feeltherhythmofwar Feb 26 '25
Naruto, Dragonball and one piece are all xianxia. Chakra, Haki, and Ki are all branches of the same tree.
Demon Slayer though is completely different I wanted to say it’s a Wuxia but they don’t even have internal energy or “sword lights” and shit. They’re really just out there boxing demons.
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u/InflationWorth1583 Feb 26 '25
Lol. For it to be Xianxia or Wuxia it has to be from china. That's the literal description of what that is.
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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 Feb 25 '25
Well only one of those is based on a Chinese Myth that defied the Heavens so .... I'm gonna go with Son Goku
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Feb 25 '25 edited 17d ago
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u/Top_Calligrapher7011 Feb 26 '25
yes, but Goku's understanding of energy in his own universe is immense, he would probably reach the same level of mastery in Xianxai. I mean he literally time travelled midfight. Luffy has haki but it doesn't nearly compare to the mastery that Goku has taken ki.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
Issue is Goku would walk up to the strongest person around and ask to fight him. Without his base powers that results in him dying
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u/kimchirice0404 Feb 26 '25
the post says they wouldnt have their old power, which goku would be very aware of.
He isnt walking up to people with no power to challenge them, that's not what he did in early OG DB nor in any iteration of the franchise. The realistic scenario is that he'd chill around until bumping into someone willing to teach him. He didn't start fighting people out of his league on purpose until he knew the world he lived in. Even then, it was like *just* Hit. He hasn't intentionally endangered everyone and himself, basically ever.
He also never really had a habit of challenging people stronger than him unless the stakes weren't all that high. Almost every time he's fought someone stronger than him, he's done it because he *had* to. He wasn't fighting demon king piccolo, piccolo jr, vegeta, frieza, cell, buu, baby, super 17, omega shenron, beerus, goku black, or jiren because he wanted to, but because he sort of had to.
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u/-Lige Feb 26 '25
But he would never disrespect them. He would fight just to fight in a fair competition.
Luffy would not care and would disrespect people. He would get cooked easily
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 26 '25
You think that’ll matter?
And of course Luffy would get killed in the same manner but he’s at least better at finding allies that can restrain him a bit
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u/-Lige Feb 26 '25
Yeah meaning I don’t think goku would pick fights to the death. But in a friendly manner simply for the enjoyment of fighting. Luffy will fuck up early on and get killed for being rude YM will destroy luffy for not being cordial
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u/Sad_Firefighter3450 Feb 26 '25
Also in the cultivation world villains definitely make sure not to give you a second chance.
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u/Least_Emergency_7999 Feb 25 '25
Naruto and Luffy is also based on monkey king
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u/Secretsfrombeyond79 Feb 25 '25
Ok luffy at least has Monkey on his name, but wtf has Naruto to do with Qi Tian Da Sheng ?
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u/Least_Emergency_7999 Feb 25 '25
Naruto has Cloning which is monkey kings speciality. Cloning is broken.
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u/Feeltherhythmofwar Feb 26 '25
Wu Kong also possessed the Truth Seeing eye, which all the Dojutsu are based on.
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u/The_GreatOldOne Foundation Building Feb 25 '25
Most of them would die simply because they are not the brightest and not really strategic. But I'd like to think that with just a sprinkle of luck, like a righteous and benevolent high level cultivator picking them up as a student, anyone but Tanjiro would defy heavens and reach the pinnacle. (Tanjiro has heart demons)
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
Tanjuro without an inciting incident would be a farmer.
Goku would be a heavens defying talent but get himself killed by picking a fight with someone too strong,not handling politics or letting an enemy go to get stronger and have them do some underhanded thing to kill him.
Luffy would be in much the same boat but fair better with his good eye for people and being suprisngly perceptive. Still probably bites off more than he can chew against a corrupt authority figure.
Naruto probably fairs the best he has the skill to go far and is less likely to pick a fight he can’t win.
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u/Fghsses Emperor Feb 25 '25 edited Feb 26 '25
Luffy would immediately be killed before he can even start cultivating because he carelessly rushed into the most dangerous place in any Xianxia world: a restaurant.
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u/kimchirice0404 Feb 26 '25
Maybe it's just me, but has anyone here in the comments actually watched DB? Goku doesn't pick fights out of nowhere, basically ever. Especially for life and death scenarios. All the uber strong guys he's fought were basically against his will even if the idiocy of the cast helped make it happen.
Hit was the only guy he ever picked a fight with on purpose, and he literally had to get an angel to place a hit on himself for that. Realistically, his "fights" with people too strong for him would be done in formal duels. Really, he wouldn't even be in sect politics or any politics for that matter. He'd basically be a loner after a brief time as a student under some teacher willing to ingrain the basics into him.
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u/Own_Loquat_9885 Young Master Feb 26 '25
Yeah, the only problem with Goku is how he gives chances, like when he spared frieza, gave Cell a Senzu Bean, the Morro incident.
He'd probably get taught to not do that though.
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Feb 25 '25
The problem with Naruto is he needs his boyfriend running away to chase him to power.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
Not really at the start he wanted fame attention and love and declared he’d become ninja president.
Even with his boyfriend there’s a baseline of ambition there. And not too much of it like Goku and Luffy that would lead to him getting killed
Plus talk no jutsu and experience as ninja president means he can actually play to political game unlike everyone else on the list
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Feb 25 '25
That is a fair point, talk no jutsu turns peoples brains off and brainwashing is a super peak power
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u/kassavfa Feb 26 '25
Naruto did TnJ after beating people, so it would be a great way to recruit new Naruto's sect, team, faction, member whatever he got.
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u/FunEstablishment9808 Guest Elder Mar 05 '25
Naruto universe is extremely idiotic. Who else ostracizes someone who literally has a divine beast inside of him? In a xianxia world, there would be so many people gathering around him that he would not grow into anything great. All his motivation is for what a xianxia would would give him from the start.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Mar 05 '25
“Divine beast” you mean “Demonic beast that killed a small army of cultivators and far more normal people only stopped by the sacrifice of the sect master giving up his soul to the god of death in exchange for stopping the rampage” that “divine beast”
Yeah I really don’t see how people aren’t happy to see the host of that “divine beast”
Anyways back on point Naruto doesn’t have his powers so no Kumura so no he’d have to git gud
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u/FunEstablishment9808 Guest Elder Mar 06 '25
How can mortals know the majesty of divinity? Should you watch your steps, afraid of hurting insects?
Only because of their master do they have any responsibility towards humans.
But power is power. If the beast is rampaging outside, do they dare talk back to it?
If the beast is not in him, that fool would have died a thousand times.
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u/Sad_Firefighter3450 Feb 26 '25
Naruto would fare better simply because despite being naive af he understands a fair bit of politics and strategy.
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u/Leather_Jacket8522 Feb 25 '25
Is Goku still a Saiyan? Zenkai boosts would be broken in xianxia.
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u/Piotro165 Feb 26 '25
Courting death would be beneficial for him.
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u/Sad_Firefighter3450 Feb 26 '25
" i court death to become unrivaled in the universe. "
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u/lehman-the-red Feb 26 '25
The opposite of "I became unrivaled in the universe to court death" which is thanos
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u/Sirinoth Feb 26 '25
Maybe I'm looking into it too deeply, but taking a few things into consideration, such as their personalities, their original motivations for getting stronger, how their OG powers worked, their fighting style, and Xianxia in general, this is how I see each character ending up, in no particular order.
Kamado Tanjiro :
Tanjiro likely ends up being the weakest, as without some external push or motivation for getting stronger I don't see him really pursuing strength to any major degree. It really does depends just how dangerous this flavor of world is regarding spirit beasts and so on and whether he came alone, or with his sister Nezuko or not. His experience handling a sword would, at the very least, ensure he's not -totally- helpless and his knowledge of breathing techniques would prime him for an easy integration should he seek power, but I just don't see that happening. If absolute push comes to shove though, I would see him likely joining a sect and doing relatively well there, but I'm not sure if he's got the mentality needed to -run- a sect just yet.
Uzumaki Nauroto:
Naurto's original way of fighting in his original setting, much like Tanjiro, serves him very well. Additionally his original motivation of becoming the Hokage, his dedication to training, his morality and just his overall grit would likely see him do well in his new setting. All of these combined pushes me to believe that Naruto would, at the very least, eventually establish himself as a sect leader, and given his background as a shinobi it would likely be one focusing on hidden weapons and the like. Given his morals though I would still put him squarely in the more orthodox factions.
Monkey D. Luffy
This is where we get a little bit of a wildcard as Luffy's morals, reasons for pursuing strength, personality, and previous powerset put him very much at odds to any sort of xianxia setting. Luffy, as a character, doesn't just *dislike* authority but outright rejects it, regardless of whether it's good, bad, or otherwise. Luffy's goal is simply to be the king of the pirates for the reason he believes the King of the Pirates is the person with 'the most freedom in the world'. As such, given his behavior and tendencies, I can't see Luffy becoming anything other than either a bandit, or a wanderer who just goes on a continuous journey from one place to the next after he eventually is chased out of wherever he last was. Given his personality, it's likely he accrues a small following of friends to come along on the journey beside him, but I don't see his little band ever accounting for much. Especially when considering the primary method for gaining power being cultivation and profound enlightenment, which mixes with Luffy like oil and water. Add on to the fact Luffy has 0 training with any sort of weapon puts him at a -major- disadvantage compared to everyone else.
Son Goku:
Given Goku's temperament, experience, diligence in training, and his motivation for fighting, he is primed to potentially reach farther than pretty much anyone else on the list, in my opinion. Goku pursues strength purely for the sake of fighting stronger and stronger opponents and for the sake of strength itself. Additionally his prior experience with handling ki and his martial arts knowledge sets him up nicely for this new setting, so while he loses his ki and transformations (and I'm even going to go so far as to take away his Saiyan zenkai boosts) he still enters in as a relatively skilled combatant, and while he doesn't use it often he -is- skilled in the use of a staff as a weapon so he's not entirely unarmed going into fights. However given Goku's single-minded pursuit of strength to the exclusion of nearly everything else, he would likely find himself fitting in more with the more unorthodox factions than the orthodox which increases his odds of an early end on his road to ultimate strength, but providing he doesn't offend the wrong people at the wrong time, he would likely climb to be one of, if not the strongest martial artist with time.
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u/BadFinancialAdvice_ Feb 25 '25
Naruto shouldn't even be there. Blud can't do anything without his hacks. He's not smart, talented, experienced, or basically anything positive without his hacks. He is just autistic and likes to repeat things, which everyone in Chinese novels do (the repeating part, although autism might be more common in those than I would have believed, if I think about it)
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u/Least_Emergency_7999 Feb 25 '25
All of them are stupid lol. It's just that they are good at fighting and learning.
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u/BadFinancialAdvice_ Feb 25 '25
Not Naruto
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u/Least_Emergency_7999 Feb 25 '25
Naruto can learn faster than all of them combined
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u/BadFinancialAdvice_ Feb 26 '25
Nah, that's just his hacks. If it weren't for his bloodline i.e. if he would have been born normal, he would have been dead in like 5 mins.
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u/Feeltherhythmofwar Feb 26 '25
No, Naruto is by FAR the smartest of the bunch. Luffy was raised fighting giant monsters, Goku was raised fighting rogue militaries and aliens. Tanjiro was a charcoal maker in pre-Industrial Japan.
Naruto has a full on proper education, is extremely studious as shown in the manga, and literally grows up to be the Political Leader of the most prolific military force in his world.
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u/VoodooRush Toad Lusting After Swan Meat Feb 26 '25
Did we read the same Naruto? He was left alone, he skipped school, couldn't learn shit thanks to Kurama. He became Hokage just because he was the strongest there is, he can't even use his clones to lessen his work. Konoha would still be the most prolific military force without Naruto.
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u/Feeltherhythmofwar Feb 26 '25
I guess we read different series. In the manga they have panels of him studying and he’s described as average academically, exceptional physically, but the worst behaviorally. They also bring up the skills they learned such as chakra theory, survival, and basic geo-politics. Naruto even chimes in to inform the reader occasionally just the other members of team 7.
The anime just did him dirty, but they did everyone dirty I’m slowly realizing.
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u/VoodooRush Toad Lusting After Swan Meat Feb 26 '25
If he was average academically and extremely studious. And he is supposed to be smart. OK. In the end, he was a neglected orphan. While Goku was an idiot because of hitting his head. Saiyan kids are smart to the point them conquering planets when they are toddlers. At best Naruto is as smart as not head hitting Goku. Luffy is a natural idiot, he is out of the comparison.
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u/Feeltherhythmofwar Feb 26 '25
Facts. Personally I think OP should have had Ichigo instead of Tanjiro, because then it’d really be no contest.
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u/BadFinancialAdvice_ Feb 26 '25
Yeah, but only because he had to be forced to get that education. From his time in the academy alone he didn't really learn anything special.
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u/Misalem Feb 26 '25
If it depended on his intelligence, Naruto wouldn't be strong enough to defeat any member of Akatsuki.
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u/masterkuki007 Friendly Sect Uncle Feb 25 '25
Well of all of them luffys powers are most different from the common cultivation ones. So he dies first.
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u/taimoor2 Feb 26 '25 edited 10d ago
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u/Septemvile Shitting and crying and coughing up blood Feb 25 '25
Goku would definitely go the farthest, since he's someone that actually enjoys the process of training and finding opponents to overcome. He needs no other motivation.
Luffy would die within a couple of days after picking a fight with a Young Master and getting squashed.
Tanjiro probably lives the longest since he'd be content minding his own business as a farmer.
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u/AnimeNeet- Feb 26 '25
EOS Naruto goes pretty far imo, don’t think he has the mindset of infinitely chasing immortality but he would want to cultivate to have the strength to protect the people around him. Mentally wise I think he is pretty good, and his willpower is top notch. He also has experience drawing in nature energy which is probably at least partially applicable to Qi. Probably would be a god tier sect leader
Start of series Naruto dies pretty quickly
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u/trotzallem54 Feb 26 '25
Luffy ends up being the river pirate alliance leader
Tanjiro might end up being the sect leader of one of the many orthodox sects, if not the heavenly demon sect because of his sun breathing technique
Naruto could also become the heavenly demon because of the nine tails
Goku could be a wandering ghost unmatched under the heavens, constantly looking for the strongest opponent
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u/ahh8hh8hh8hhh Feb 26 '25
The story ends in 1 chapter.
A wandering senior would kill Naruto for being possed by a demon. Then he would smack Son goku into a blood mist for being a demon in human territory. After wiping his hands, he would notice that Monkey D luffy was practicing demonic body cultivation techniques and would promptly chop him in half. Tanjiro Kamado, although a human cultivator practicing legitimate techniques, would be killed on suspicion of being an evil forigner spy from the sakura country conspiring with 3 demons to bring ruin to the peaceful central plains country.
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u/Mad_Moodin Feb 25 '25
Goku would reach furthest. Then Luffy, then Naruto.
The difference between them is drive. Tanjiro only fights because of his particular goal of defeating the demons. The moment they are gone, he will stop training.
Naruto similarily only managed to go as far as he could thanks to his extremely overpowered heritage. He went all about "Fate isn't true. I'm forging my own fate" only for him to do exactly as fate demanded.
Luffy would keep going, but he is not as dedicated to becoming powerful as Goku is.
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u/Fghsses Emperor Feb 25 '25
Luffy would die by immediately entering a restaurant right after being transported into the Xianxia world.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
The issue is Goku has too much drive even if he has it you happen to find talent a tendency to walk up to the people that are three levels above you and ask them to fight you will most likely result in him getting killed.
And if we keep later characterization of him . When he fight someone he would prefer not to kill them so he can fight them again later only hear they can do things like poison him or spread rumors about him or just not fight him straight up.
If a problem cannot be punched, Goku can’t really deal with it .
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u/Mad_Moodin Feb 25 '25
I feel like Goku would just be in secluded cultivation for most of the time and then massively overpower everyone around him. Until he meets a far stronger enemy.
But you are right. Dude does die a lot in DBZ and just gets revived all the time.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
There’s only so much he can do out on his own with no explanation of the worlds power system.
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u/Mad_Moodin Feb 25 '25
Yeah he'd be reliant on luck to have some master see his talent and drive and pick him up and force him to stay out of trouble.
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u/Yournextlineis103 Feb 25 '25
100% he has the most potential but that comes with by far the lowest brains and social abilities.
It’s why I think Naruto does the best. He has some potential but is good enough with people to better avoid getting killed by someone stronger
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u/Mad_Moodin Feb 25 '25
If we talk Naruto at the end of the show. Yeah he'll absolutely wreck shit in Xianxia world.
(As in mentally at the end)
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u/Mr_Softy3938 Sidekick Fatty Feb 26 '25
Goku in seclouded cultivation? If it's Goku as a child, perhaps, but with his personality, it's more likely that every time he achieves a breakthrough in cultivation, he'll go out and look for high-level opponents.
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u/kimchirice0404 Feb 26 '25
unless fatty wang ropes him into the plot, or a young master looks for him on purpose, we've seen goku not really do that. IN between DB and DBZ he just dips from his friends' lives to live with chichi and gohan (they didnt even know he had a kid lmao). In DBS he basically never looks for a fight, nor does he do so in DBGT either.
I think people overestimate just how battle hungry goku is. He definitely is, but it's basically only when he's already forced into it that it shows. Even the tournament of power isn't actually his fault since everyone was fated to be erased anyways eventually, and he just accidentally revealed that intention from zeno to everybody early and got the tournament setup to save everyone.
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u/kimchirice0404 Feb 26 '25
tbf, he basically never picks fights too strong for him, like ever. In peacetime he just trains. He only fought the likes of frieza, cell, vegeta, piccolo, buu, goku black, baby, omega shenron, etc because it was extinction of everyone if he didn't.
realistically we'd look at what he was doing between OG DB and Z, and also future trunks' timeline. He just sort of trains and chills on his own. Anything else are just formal duels which i dont think would result in him dying. I doubt he'd join a sect either since he clearly never was into that (tien would probably enjoy being a sect elder or master though lol). In DBGT he's chilling and training with uub, and in DBS he just goes off to beerus' planet to train.
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u/Vana-Freya Feb 26 '25
People forget that Luffy has the most dangerous ability on the seas, which is turning anyone around him into his allies, including former enemies. He has resistance to blunt attacks and immunity to lightning attacks. He can bend anything including Qi’s.
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u/Aggravating_Yam3273 Feb 26 '25
To be completely honest, none of them. And this is not to question their ability, intellect or strength of will. It’s just that they don’t have the cut throat dog eats dog mentality most xianxia Mcs have. They trust too easily( mind you, with respect to a xianxia verse, not their worlds), because in xianxia, even the good mcs will always approach someone they want to make connections with with an objective, utility based mindset, “what does this person have that benefits me”, and are selfless only for the few people they actually care about, which is usually a spouse or parents or a really close friend.
The best examples of how cut throat the world is the record of mortals journey to immortality, where even the opening arc, the dr mo who took them in, and had a fatherly demeanour and acted like a great teacher was actually a demonic soul possessing cultivator. Han li, from what I’ve seen, one of the better Mcs in terms of morals is capable of leaving a loved one or friend behind for his cultivation, is willing to dual cultivate even with a love interest, can be apathetic and self survival driven when he and a group of cultivators one of whom he appears to be close with is attacked by a demonic cultivator, and is quite willing to let go of ties to others to advance his cultivation. That is what these four will have as their greatest weakness, they value their bonds too much. They don’t have the “business mindset”(I can’t find a better term to describe a xianxia MCs temperament), and lack the ability to remain calm, collected and unmoved when their comrades are dying in horrific ways, so that they might be able to figure out how to overcome the challenge.
In their worlds, it’s fine, because of the people and society they surround themselves with. In xianxia, they most likely will live out their days as a good mortal member of the community or a low level cultivator in a lower but more righteous and moral sect, their talent and potential never seeing the heights they could reach, unless someone at the very top who magically cares about them no strings attached protects them against bad actors.
That’s it in a nutshell. They’re extremely easy prey for a bad actor because their morality won’t allow them to comprehend the depths of depravity their opponents will go to and form counter strategies. If they do because they are changed by the world they grew up in, they won’t be the same heroes we know and love, just another xianxia mc.
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u/Own_Loquat_9885 Young Master Feb 26 '25
Idk why but people exaggerate xianxia worlds instant death. Like they make it look like the cultivation world is 10x brutal than it is.
If you are talking about the deaths of their morality, then yeah. But these guys would live like other xianxia characters.
1 mistake of leaving an opponent alive won't kill them unless the opponent has an omega strong backer, chances are they fight again and learn to be ruthless.
Like I saw someone say a wandering senior would just kill them like they got dropped into the world with the most horrible luck.
and lack the ability to remain calm, collected and unmoved when their comrades are dying in horrific ways
And xianxia mcs are not unmoved when their comrades are dying.
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u/Misalem Feb 26 '25
Naruto and Luffy are two idiots and the fact that they have a habit of getting involved in other people's problems would make them die very quickly. Despite being retarded, Goku has a lot of talent when it comes to battle, and I don't remember if he also has a habit of getting involved in other people's problems.
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u/Yurus Feb 26 '25
How about their main antagonists? Muzan and Frieza would probably be the strongest (may even be stronger than their MC counterparts) as they seek perfection and will rob and murder to get it.
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u/YouthWise8686 Feb 26 '25
Goku would certainly be a valued young master who challenges enemies from all sects to prove he is the best. He would have friends everywhere and would be loved and hated by many. He would easily reach the top and become a legend.
If there was a ''Heavenly List'' he would be in first place in any world
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u/Imaginary-Mine-6531 Feb 26 '25
Goku will go farthest because his whole life is just training training and training...he sometimes forget that he even has family
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u/KuroShuriken Feb 26 '25
Goku will easily go further than the others.
next would be Naruto, followed by Tanjiro, and then Luffy🤢🤮
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u/LmaoGhoul Junior, you dare?! Feb 26 '25
The problem is they're all too naive to go very far imo. Shonen protagonists have eyes but usually fail to see Mt Tai due to being so fucking dense and ignorant. Goku or Luffy would just go fight someone strong because they want to and get cold snorted out of existence by some old monster.
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u/Jimmy960 Pro Face slapper [Faze] Feb 26 '25
Easily Goku. Son Goku is just the Japanese translation of Sun Wukong, who is an OG murim protag (this is why he has a tail in the original DB, far before Toriyama mapped out the whole Saiyan lore). You're sending an old monster to deal with greenhouse lilies.
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u/D_4rch4ng3l Feb 26 '25
Xianxia is all about temperament. Tanjiro will be the next sword god. Goku will be the next Martial God.
Naruto and Luffy are fodder.
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u/LamborghiniChampagne Feb 26 '25
Luffy would be the worst people here. He would have terrible comprehension.
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u/electronicdaosit Feb 26 '25
Guys. Dragonball is basically a body&qi cultivation universe. So if let to grow he would gi furthest by far.
However, the problem is that Goku is way too naive for our regular xianxia.
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u/Embarrassed_Art_9818 Don’t blame me for being Ruthless! Feb 26 '25
I think apart from tanjiro, others have a foolish mindset and would easily fall for tricks and will die.
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u/Popular-Resident-358 Great Sage Equal to Heaven Feb 26 '25
Goku>Tanjiro(If a random GOATED master recognises his talent and makes him a closed door disciple)>Naruto>Luffy.
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u/kimchirice0404 Feb 26 '25
I think most of them would get pretty far. It's honestly really hard to say.
Realistically, most of these guys are going to end up following similar paths minus goku who would definitely be more of a loner. Most probably aren't picking insane fights if they actually know the world either. The only reason any of these idiots get away with what they've gone through is because of 1. plot and 2. they knew their world.
The xianxia world is easily one of the most brutal, cold-hearted, monstrous places to live, and i'd tend to believed they'd all adapt to that even while holding some evidence of their original selves. Really though, these guys will either get super far and become top tier figures or they'll end up leaders of minor, albeit noteable names in this world (minus goku, who clearly doesn't think much about socializing. Imagine having a kid and not telling anyone until Z started...)
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u/LostNotFound- Feb 26 '25
AI trash, when you have so many artists that do beautiful renditions of these characters smh.
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u/BBCues Feb 26 '25
Goku would go the farthest, he's all about training which is the perfect mindset for cultivating. Plus super saiyan is a built in forbidden technique with no downside.
Luffy would probably die first with his personality, assuming there's no plot armor of course.
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u/Own_Loquat_9885 Young Master Feb 26 '25
Does no one realize that xianxia mcs were not that cold and neither were low level cultivators that brutal.
These four can be naive and become ruthless over time. Its not like xianxia characters immediately die if they spare their opponent once.
There are xianxia stories where people spare someone and they only become an inconvience and stepping stone where said character learns they need to be ruthless.
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u/zack189 Feb 26 '25
All four of them are stupid as fuck. Their comprehension will be zero
Tanjiro will die first.
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u/TheActualBranchTree Feb 26 '25
Goku might just get a seizure on the spot because of the sheer dopamine flood in his brain when he realizes he has a bunch of improvement in combat he can make again as well as fight a bunch of interesting and very strong enemies.
All on 1 planet.
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u/Fuzzy_Finger3019 Feb 26 '25
Everyone says goku but i really don’t know, i mean Imagine goku with high cultivation as soon as he ascends goes to the first person he sees and says “i heard upper realm cultivators are strong” this shit gets u killed in almost every cultivation series lol, plus as one of the comments said luffy is idealistic so he’s dead, Naruto is an idiot and ain’t the type to train hard so he’ll never be that strong, so the only logical conclusion is tanjiro, he’s honest, kind and forgiving, he never takes an insult to heart”that’s enough to keep u alive there” he’s also really likable so his enemies will be numerate and so he’ll have the highest chance of getting adopted and trained by a strong cultivator plus all that with his hard working character, i’d say tanjiro would make it and for the world he’ll be the best one to do so + he’s a demon slayer so those demonic sect sons of bitc**s will get what they deserve lol
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u/shamanProgrammer Feb 26 '25
Naruto and Goku would rise the highest. Naruto because Chakra and how it works is basically Qi cultivation so he'd have an edge. Goku because he's Goku. Luffy without Gumgum is dead weight and Tanjiro at best would be a simple soldier without access to OH MY ANCESTORS MEMORIES.
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u/Busy_Cold_3220 Jade Beauty Feb 26 '25
Goku goes the furthest. Perhaps can even ascend to the Upper Realm as he is a Saiyan still since OP only said their powers aren't with them but their inherent talents are.
Tanjiro if lucky enough to not encounter any demonic cultivator would probably just live till he dies of old age. He will die before he can achieve Foundation Establishment if he ever steps into Immortal Cultivation because of his too righteous character, tho he prolly will only reach Golden Core or Nascent Soul at most if he survives.
Idk much about Luffy so no comments.
Naruto if accepted as a disciple by some good person can also probably go beyond Nascent Soul but can't say if he can attain immortality. Otherwise he also dies pretty early on with his character.
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u/nontrollalt Feb 26 '25
Weirdly if they are starting from nothing I think it would go goku, Luffy, Tanjiro, then Naruto this is assuming we are looking at purely learning ability, dedication willpower and other traits indepent of their in verse powers.
Now before you jump down my throat saying I am a one piece glazer remember, in a lot of xianxia there are Concepts, Dao, Intents, etc. Massively powerful things that depend on the character essentially manifesting their will to the point of enforcing on the world but only if they have an actual theme or concept to follow
Goku lives to fight and improve himself and he does it because it is what he wants to do that in many ways training and fighting strong foes is his essence and I have no doubt he would be able to form something. In the same vein the whole reason Luffy wants to be king of the pirates has nothing to do with the title or the treasure. He wants true freedom, he wants to live his life by his own morals and while those morals are generally good at the end of the day of he decides he wants to make a change he will fight for that change regardless of the social situation. Could get him killed granted but I think these two have the best chance of forming those concepts.
to address the other two I won't go two deep, the reason Naruto wanted to be hokage so badly was because he wanted to be accepted. Tanjiro just wanted to turn his sister back to human and maybe avenge his family. While both show incredible willpower throughout both their respective stories those core concepts in most xianxia's don't usually lead to forming strong concepts, I won't say they would be unable to but I would give them a disadvantage.
Now the training, first off Goku, by far the most diligent no question I doubt anyone will argue otherwise. Luffy's training is easy to forget because especially pre time skip no training is shown and there are straight up arguments that outside of new techniques the crew didn't actually grow in power that much, combine with how haki essential means a stronger will can literally make you more durable and hit harder it get hard to say if they powered up pre time skip.
With all of that said Luffy when he needs to get stronger does fully commit to training and training hard and he is objectively talented. As a child he was going through top level military training from his grandfather, he ate his fruit and literally had to spend years retraining and making his own fighting style from scratch because gaining a rubber body literally made it difficult for him to throw a normal punch, to much power and his arm would stretch and throw everything off. Further more during water 7 he was able to copy a movement technique in what I believe was less than a day after seeing it? I will grant he doesn't really do this again but it still remains impressive. All of this to say that if he was in a cultivation world as long as he desired power he would have no issues with well cultivating or meditation to gain the strength and might even have an advantage in learning at least physical techniques.
none of this is to say Naruto or tanjiro are bad, especially Tanjiro I would say has an incredible talent for learning and modifying his techniques. But Naruto especially if the nine tails is removed has always simply been incredibly creative and tricky as a ninja should be. He is more unpredictable than anything. For his techniques I would say his learning would be average? Mostly because he doesn't display high levels of control until the very end of the series and while his control issues might be caused by the nine tales chakra I feel like once the nine tails stopped fighting him for controlling his chakra is when naruto control shot up, kind of like goku's weighted clothing but for energy control. If naruto never had that issue I would argue his control would be average maybe above average but probably not genius. And remember his shadow clone jutsu has done an unknown amount of heavy lifting when it comes to Naruto's training he would instantly be top tier if he was able to use it to train but sadly it is gone.
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u/Top_Calligrapher7011 Feb 26 '25
Goku literally achieved God hood, and not only that he also became the first mortal to immortal being that mastered ultra instinct, a technique that is so divine not even the strongest gods of destruction can master it. Goku easily makes it the furthest, him also being a beacon of hope and basically the nicest person to ever exist probably helps him along the way.
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u/VoidXp Dao Venerable Feb 26 '25
They would all die before they start, xianxia worlds don't take idiots.
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u/poiuytrewq3754 Feb 26 '25
Everyone are ignoring the fact that these four are way too naive for a xianxia world it doesn't matter how hard they can train they're going to die before they even get to know why
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u/AlgaeOverall Feb 26 '25
Naruto would go the farthest because shadow clone jutsu(if he was allowed to) would be a cheat better than a system
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u/StarFalchion With my 500 years of experience... Feb 26 '25
Theyd all court death and protect some rando from a young master then beat up the young master then an elder from the young masters clan would kill them
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u/Me_isCool Feb 26 '25
Haven't watched the other three but I think Naruto's shadow clone jutsu would be great to cultivate. Makes thousands of them and cultivates. ain't that cheat?
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u/Weary-Race-1402 Feb 26 '25
Even you say without their power does that include their bodies base abilities.
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u/Squatch0 Feb 26 '25
Naruto and goku have the best chances. Tanjiro might join like the Mt hua sect bit I dont think he will reach what naruto and goku could
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u/Tyrayentali Feb 26 '25
Goku has unlimited potential. Luffy's growth is insane too, but it doesn't reach as far.
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u/setnullset Feb 27 '25
There is only one martial arts fanatic in these four , the others are there for there personal goals
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u/Nazguhl82200 Feb 27 '25
I think they would all die pretty fast without plot armor. Being kind and naive is kinda a death sentence in these worlds.
With plot armor Goku would probably go the furthest and Luffy would die first, maybe Tanjiro.
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u/Key-Cardiologist-835 Demonic Cultivator Feb 27 '25
First to die would probably be tanjiro, Goku would obviously be the one to go the furthest.
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u/thierrie0107 Feb 27 '25
Son Goku would go further. His Saiyan lineage is like having a supreme physique in a fantasy novel.
Naruto's character makes him suitable to die first, but with his spirit beast Kurama, he will not die easily.
Luffy is very stupid too. But he has his devil fruit that awakens when he is close to death so he would be fine. In addition, his innocent heart, invulnerable to all Jade Beauty and his firm dao heart will make him go very far. The guy wants to become the King of the Pira... Um sorry, the King of the Immortals. The ambition is very big.
In conclusion Tanjiro would die faster. Because he is very chivalrous but he doesn't have a cheat. He's a human.
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u/UnableDependent2834 Feb 27 '25
I don't know who will go farthest but I do know luffy is dead first.
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u/Aromatic_Tip_3996 Billion Year Old Loli Feb 27 '25
this is simple enough, in two words:
Zenkai boost
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u/ParticularRough9517 Please wait while I court death... Feb 25 '25
Luffy is too lazy to cultivate past the levels that would give hip access to unlimited food, he's last
Goku would defy someone stronger and die on the spot
Tanjiro is too nice, being a doormat is a bad thing in cultivation, but he's actually very talented and hard working so that compensate
Naruto actually has the biggest advantage with a spirit beast boosting his talent and clones to gain insights more easily
Basically Naruto > Tanjiro > Goku > Luffy
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u/Agile_Paper457 Heart Demon Feb 26 '25
all the characters court death due to their stubborn natures
luffy would die first. often provokes people with his density and would die while trying to sail the seas right away, something highly dangerous for mortals in xianxia.
for goku it really depends, he definitely is persistent in training and hasn't shown any lack of talent as far as I know, and his species allows him to get stronger more easily with near death experiences, something in abundance in xianxia. so as long as he doesn't meet an easily offended old monster early on he should be good to go, and despite how many xianxia MCs meet, old monsters are rather rare.
Narutos open ambition to be a leader will probably piss off some higher ups if he were to join a sect, and despite his lack of cultivation talent he has plenty of battle talent and he doesnt have an entirely dense personality that pisses off people, so he may or may not live depending on how things go, I think he would flourish in a proper righteous sect as a talented mischievous junior.
tanjiro would probably be a talented mortals with a highly agreeable personality, and so he could probably live happily in a village, or perhaps hunt demonic beings in a sect and train diligently, though he would be devastated by the loss of his sister.
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u/ChompyRiley 9 trillion km tall Mountain Feb 26 '25
Literally 99.99% of Goku's power is because he's a Saiyan. the other 0.01% of it is from training and gifts from people. Admittedly, he's got good battle IQ and can be surprisingly tricky. Luffy was never very serious about training, and neither was naruto after a while. so I think Goku and Tanjiro would go furthest. Tanjiro I feel edges out Goku because Goku's used to being able to die or be mutilated/defeated and the nget wished back to life or otherwise get some kind of powerup that saves the day.
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u/Shortbread_Biscuit Feb 26 '25
Since you specified that it's a xianxia and not a wuxia, the only one who even has a chance is Tanjiro.
Naruto really doesn't have much talent, and basically coasted his entire way through the first season solely thanks to the Nine-Tails giving him chakra and power. He may work hard, but he's not very smart, and is extremely reliant on having a good teacher who can customise a cultivation technique for him. Without a teacher, he would only ever amount to a beggar on the side of the street in a cultivation world. However, the chakra system of his origin world very closely resembles the qi cultivation system, so if he's somehow able to get past all these initial obstacles of finding the perfect teacher as well as a completely customized cultivation technique, he stands a pretty good chance of going pretty far.
Goku would have been the standout winner in a wuxia world, since all that's necessary there is passion and hard work. However, in a xianxia world, his hard work ethic is practically useless. He's not smart at all, and most of his fights just devolve into smashing the other guy's face in until they die. On the other hand, Vegeta would go amazingly far with his knack for searching for the optimal cultivation and training techniques and having the social skills to survive in the world. Heck, Vegeta is the perfect young master. Goku, on the other hand, is very likely to get curb-stomped by the first young master he comes across. He also doesn't have the patience to sit and meditate, so he can only ever follow the path of pure body cultivation.
Luffy is a difficult case - without his rubber powers, his main reliance is his abnormally high charisma. He has an amazing ability to make friends and earn people's trust wherever he goes. Thanks to that, he's very likely to end up becoming blood brothers with stronger cultivators who can help him rise up and create his own sect. He's not very balanced though - he's childish and irritable, and can have trouble concentrating on more complex mental methods, so he's better suited for mostly body cultivation methods.
Among the 4 characters here, Tanjiro is the one who has the most balanced stats. He's hard-working and persevering, has good endurance, has a stable mindset, and is pretty clever about most things. Among the 4, he also has the most patience and willingness to sit and cultivate through meditation, and cultivation techniques closely resemble the water-breathing style he's most familiar with. So if he's able to find a cultivation technique and get started, he's the most likely to go the farthest among the 4 of them.
TL;DR : Tanjiro is the most likely to succeed thanks to his balanced stats, while Goku is the most likely to die a miserable death. Luffy is almost guaranteed to have a comfortable life, but it's hard to tell how far he'll go. Naruto faces heavy initial challenges, but if he's somehow able to miraculously overcome all those initial hurdles, he can probably even ascend.
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u/Own_Loquat_9885 Young Master Feb 26 '25
Naruto really doesn't have much talent, and basically coasted his entire way through the first season solely thanks to the Nine-Tails giving him chakra and power. He may work hard, but he's not very smart, and is extremely reliant on having a good teacher who can customise a cultivation technique for him.
Most if not all his techniques are not custom made. He could quickly learn and master a forbidden technique and push extremely hard and impossible techniques like Ransengan to a an impossible height, like the elements he adds into ransengan was deemed impossible.
Goku would have been the standout winner in a wuxia world, since all that's necessary there is passion and hard work. However, in a xianxia world, his hard work ethic is practically useless. He's not smart at all, and most of his fights just devolve into smashing the other guy's face in until they die. On the other hand, Vegeta would go amazingly far with his knack for searching for the optimal cultivation and training techniques and having the social skills to survive in the world. Heck, Vegeta is the perfect young master. Goku, on the other hand, is very likely to get curb-stomped by the first young master he comes across. He also doesn't have the patience to sit and meditate, so he can only ever follow the path of pure body cultivation.
DBZ always devolves into smashing or blasting another guy. Goku has the social skills to befriend numerous people and gain masters like in DB meanwhile Vegeta never did that in his early days, he learned that over time. Goku has learned numerous techniques and meditation in cultivation is not pure meditation like in real life, that thing is an internal exercise and you see how people get physically exhausted so Goku would be fine.
Goku doesn't fight stronger opponents that would lead him to death, most of the tike he is forced to. His only flaw in this is he sometimes spares his opponents or gives them a senzu bean.
Vegeta in his later years is fine but early DBZ Vegeta would be so arrogant lile a young master that he dies early or turns to the demonic path.
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u/Shortbread_Biscuit Feb 26 '25
About Naruto:
Most if not all his techniques are not custom made. He could quickly learn and master a forbidden technique and push extremely hard and impossible techniques like Ransengan to a an impossible height, like the elements he adds into ransengan was deemed impossible.
It's not so much that someone modifies the technique to suit Naruto, but rather than Naruto's talents in the story are so badly skewed that he can only really benefit from these extremely niche techniques that no one else is really able to use, and then he has to extensively modify them to even make them usable.
Naruto's two main skills throughout the entire story are his Shadow Clone Jutsu and the Rasengan, which are both extremely niche techniques that basically only Naruto can exploit thanks to his uniqueness.
Shadow Clone is a forbidden technique that most ninjas aren't even allowed to learn, but it just so happened to be the one technique Naruto could genuinely exploit thanks to his enormous chakra reserves. Most ninjas barely have the chakra to make a single shadow clone, but Naruto's able to spam them all day long. In the later parts of the show, he starts learning how to do a few more complex techniques solely thanks to the Shadow Clone's ability to multiply learning speed. If he wasn't able to multiply his training speed by 100 to 200 times, there's no way he would have been able to learn the Wind Rasengan. Apart from that, Naruto consistently has the most wasteful ways of using the shadow clones in combat, basically using each of them like single hit meat shields most of the time. The only innovative thing he did was use them to help cast more complex techniques that he doesn't have the skill to use himself.
And that brings us to the rasengan. This is another similar technique that's just too niche to ever see actual use. It uses an enormous amount of chakra compared to the damage done. If we compare it to a similar technique like the chidori - the chidori is a Jutsu that uses something like 50 points of chakra to do 100 points of damage, while the rasengan is a Jutsu that uses 250 points of chakra to do 100 points of damage. On top of that, it's difficult to hit the opponent with it because it's pretty slow to cast, and once you've created it, you also need to get within melee range of the enemy to hit them with the big glowing orb. It's practically unusable for any other ninja.
Minato didn't give up on the rasengan because it's too difficult, he gave up on it because it was a failed technique that he saw no promise in. Naruto is literally the only person capable of using it, because it combos well with his abnormal usage of the shadow clones - using wasteful clones to help construct the rasengan, and often using more sacrificial clones to hold the enemy in place long enough to close the distance and hit them with it.
None of these problems disappeared when he created the Wind Rasengan - heck it even had the major side effect that he could get caught up in the blast himself. Creating the wind rasengan wasn't some stroke of genius either, he basically just infused wind natured chakra into a rasengan. It was just difficult to do because no one else has thought of using multiple clones to help synchronize and stabilise the rasengan while casting it.
The Shadow Clone and the Rasengan are techniques that were custom designed for Naruto, because he's literally incapable of using anything else. They're also techniques that no one but Naruto can use, not because Naruto's a genius, but rather because Naruto's build is so badly skewed.
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u/Shortbread_Biscuit Feb 26 '25
About Goku and Vegeta:
DBZ always devolves into smashing or blasting another guy. Goku has the social skills to befriend numerous people and gain masters like in DB meanwhile Vegeta never did that in his early days, he learned that over time.
Goku is literally socially inept, pissing off practically everyone he meets. It's only due to part plot armour and part because the others are reliant on his strength that Goku manages to retain a few friends in early DB. By the beginning of DBZ, Goku has just become that weird eccentric friend that everyone tolerates because he's funny and mostly harmless, but also literally the strongest person on earth. He doesn't have any charisma that inspires anyone around him.
Goku has learned numerous techniques and meditation in cultivation is not pure meditation like in real life, that thing is an internal exercise and you see how people get physically exhausted so Goku would be fine.
Except that meditation in cultivation is literally that - pure meditation to capture the spiritual energy of heaven and infuse it into yourself to strengthen yourself. The closest Goku ever got to doing something like this is when he cast the Spirit Bomb.
On the other hand, his normal style is the hardcore body cultivation techniques, that focus extensively on training the muscles and body and nothing else. Almost all of his strength comes from what cultivators call Blood Qi, which is generated inside the body in the muscles and organs rather than being absorbed from outside. Goku is mentally incapable of the requirements of most immortal cultivation techniques that involve spiritual energy.
Goku doesn't fight stronger opponents that would lead him to death, most of the time he is forced to. His only flaw in this is he sometimes spares his opponents or gives them a senzu bean.
This is probably his biggest flaw - he consistently goes and challenges stronger enemies. He has never shown any restraint in who he challenges, be it Piccolo, Frieza, Beerus, and so on. The only reason he ever survives is plot armour, either allowing him to get a power up at the last minute, or dying and getting resurrected, or just getting spared by the enemy. On the other hand, he consistently keeps giving his enemies chances to get stronger, deliberately giving them time to power up, giving them healing items, handicapping himself to give them a chance, making them fight a weaker ally, and so on.
Vegeta in his later years is fine but early DBZ Vegeta would be so arrogant like a young master that he dies early or turns to the demonic path.
Being a young master is literally the most stable path to success in the cultivation world. The only reason we see young masters meeting bad ends in xianxia is because of the insane plot armour of every protagonist. Otherwise, the young masters are basically the people who are guaranteed to succeed in life and cultivation. Don't mistake morality with success - the underlying theme in every single xianxia is that morality is worth less than trash, and only overwhelming power, wealth, connections and luck help guide you to immortality.
There's nothing wrong with the demonic path as well in xianxia - there are enough xianxia stories where the MC reaches immortality by following a demonic path. The only times when the demonic path is a bad thing is when they oppose the MC, who destroys them thanks to plot armour. When the MC himself is in the demonic path, there's no more surefire way to reach the top.
Early Vegeta also wasn't blindly arrogant - even in early DBZ, he only ever picked fights he was sure he could win. That's why he was subservient under Frieza for so long, waiting until he could get strong enough to defeat Frieza himself. That's also why he ran away from the fight with Goku on earth the moment he realized he didn't stand a chance. Vegeta always knew when to act arrogant and when to shut up and tolerate it. He's also the perfect opportunist - searching for opportunities like the dragon balls to get stronger.
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u/Own_Loquat_9885 Young Master Feb 26 '25 edited Feb 26 '25
Goku is literally socially inept, pissing off practically everyone he meets. It's only due to part plot armour and part because the others are reliant on his strength that Goku manages to retain a few friends in early DB. By the beginning of DBZ, Goku has just become that weird eccentric friend that everyone tolerates because he's funny and mostly harmless, but also literally the strongest person on earth. He doesn't have any charisma that inspires anyone around him.
Even if he can piss off people he has the strange charisma to keep acquiring masters like in DB, and even in DBZ and DBS he got himself a master.
Except that meditation in cultivation is literally that - pure meditation to capture the spiritual energy of heaven and infuse it into yourself to strengthen yourself. The closest Goku ever got to doing something like this is when he cast the Spirit Bomb.
Pure meditation isn't something that captures spiritual energy :/. Not to mention they capture spirit energy using internal circulation which is just an internal exercise and makes a person physically tired.
Goku is mentally incapable of the requirements of most immortal cultivation techniques that involve spiritual energy.
Its not a true meditation, its using internal circulation similar to physical exercise.
He has never shown any restraint in who he challenges, be it Piccolo, Frieza, Beerus, and so on.
He doesn't because he is forced too. He challenges Piccolo when he was angry and had strength as a child. He fought Frieza cause everyone needed him, same with Cell.
Beerus isn't the type of guy who would just kill him so he fought Beerus.
He also doesn't just arrogantly challenge all opponents but he invites them so unless the master is super eccentric, most would not take offense.
On the other hand, he consistently keeps giving his enemies chances to get stronger, deliberately giving them time to power up, giving them healing items, handicapping himself to give them a chance, making them fight a weaker ally, and so on.
This can be something Goku learns not to do, other people like elders would just teach him to be more ruthless. Him sparing someone doesn't gurantee death, it gives trouble at the first few times.
Being a young master is literally the most stable path to success in the cultivation world. The only reason we see young masters meeting bad ends in xianxia is because of the insane plot armour of every protagonist. Otherwise, the young masters are basically the people who are guaranteed to succeed in life and cultivation. Don't mistake morality with success - the underlying theme in every single xianxia is that morality is worth less than trash, and only overwhelming power, wealth, connections and luck help guide you to immortality.
I feel like you are blind to young masters that you just assumed Vegeta suddenly has big backers in the cultivation world.
Young masters are successful because they are born into success, the way they act does not gurantee success at all. I literally said he would be arrogant as a young master, but do you think Vegeta has the backing of one????
If Vegeta was as arrogant as a young master then cultivators would just pounce on the guy without a backing.
The only reason we see young masters meeting bad ends in xianxia is because of the insane plot armour of every protagonist. Otherwise, the young masters are basically the people who are guaranteed to succeed in life and cultivation.
Most young masters would not succeed because those old ancestors we see and their fathers were once young masters.
Also that logic is hypocritical. We can also say that its only because of the insane wealth and connections they were born into that they weren't murked early just like how a protagonist's luck doesn't let them meet an early death.
the underlying theme in every single xianxia is that morality is worth less than trash, and only overwhelming power, wealth, connections and luck help guide you to immortality.
Yes and most young masters, about 99.999999% of that doesn't meet the requirement to immortality.
You would have to be born almost immortal to gain immortality. Gu Changge himself is gathering Heaven Defying luck in order to overthrow his other comrades.
And Gu Changge was already born into overwhelming power. I am not just talking about him being the top young master. He is the top three of his verse just at the start of the story. That young master shtick is just an act like playing doll, no one can ever reach the top three's level much less immortality.
A xianxia protagonist gets immortality because they have heaven defying luck which gives them heaven defying connections and wealth, like top universe grade artifacts, which then leads to overwhelming power.
And technically A xianxia protagonist might even be a young master due to theit hidden bloodlines.
Early Vegeta also wasn't blindly arrogant - even in early DBZ, he only ever picked fights he was sure he could win. That's why he was subservient under Frieza for so long, waiting until he could get strong enough to defeat Frieza himself. That's also why he ran away from the fight with Goku on earth the moment he realized he didn't stand a chance. Vegeta always knew when to act arrogant and when to shut up and tolerate it. He's also the perfect opportunist - searching for opportunities like the dragon balls to get stronger.
He never ran away becausr he didn't stand a chance, he ran away because he was very injured, it was Goku's mercy that saved him from death. Goku could have killed him right there and then.
And during Namek Saga Vegeta didn't run away when Frieza attacked at the end and even died.
Vegeta is arrogant, he doesn't know his own power once he gets stronger.
Vegeta also never asked the dragon balls how to get stronger, he only ever asked for immortality. It was only in DBS that anyone asked Shenron a path to power, super saiyan god.
He only tries to find a good training ground but he never actively seeks masters nor other better training grounds. He just stumbles upon them in DBZ.
Edit: I forgot demonic path.
There's nothing wrong with the demonic path as well in xianxia - there are enough xianxia stories where the MC reaches immortality by following a demonic path. The only times when the demonic path is a bad thing is when they oppose the MC, who destroys them thanks to plot armour. When the MC himself is in the demonic path, there's no more surefire way to reach the top.
Except most demonic cultivators die a horrible death more than regular cultivator. The demonic path is a shortcut of extreme bloodshed something which needs a lot of scheming. The biggest demonic cultivator are the biggest because of luck, they stumbled upon a powerful demon technique.
For others the demon path is good but Vegeta would most likely die early and be stuck in a dead end in the demonic path unless he stumbles upon a supreme technique.
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u/Mud_of_Culture_xD Feb 25 '25
Tanjiro would be the holy son of Immortal Sword Sect with his talent for the sword. Bro would have sword intent in Qi gathering level and would could decapicate the space time with his sword when he became immortal. Lol
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u/CheshireCat4200 Feb 26 '25
Oh... this is easy, I would reincarnate into this world and murder the ever living sh*t out of them and then dance on their annoying severed heads.
Naruto would die for the sins of shouting out his moves every time he fights and ruining any chance of being an actual Shinobi.
Goku would die because he would be too busy monologing to notice the sword in his guts while I twist it.
Tanjiro would die for two reasons. The first reason would be because he is blander than milk toast, and I am not even sure he is not a cardboard cut out. Second, I would murder him for the crime of not killing or leaving Zenitsu in a ditch somewhere before he has a chance to open his mouth.
I would murder Luffy for his hat.
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u/EtherealRook Feb 25 '25
Personally feel like goku would go the furthest, even in dragon ball people tend to believe goku is just powerful cus hes a super saiyan, but in reality a lot of his power comes from his sheer dedication to training. Cant tell where he'd reach tho depends on if someone casually decides to kill him and other variables, now who i think would die first is luffy, most would think its tanjiro, but with the way luffy has a tendency to disrespect the fuck outta others accidently i think hed just piss someone off and die immediatly