r/MemeHunter • u/Niskara • 2d ago
Fuck me for wanting to compare times and discuss it on the main sub, I guess
331
u/TheNerdBeast 2d ago
Not to mention if you say they were challenging at all you get the World Glazers going "WILDS IS STILL PISS EASY GET GOOD!"
196
u/Niskara 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah, it's kind of a lose/lose situation. You say Wilds is easy, you're called a braggart and accused of gloating. You say it's challenging, they say that you're a noob and should git gud
I'm a long-time hunter, so I didn't find World or Rise or Wilds terribly difficult, but I found them fun.
57
2d ago
[deleted]
65
u/Niskara 2d ago edited 2d ago
I will never flack on anyone for how long they take in a quest unless they're blatantly cheating, even if it takes them until they have 30 seconds left on the clock. All that matters to me is if they enjoyed the hunt or not and if they had fun
31
u/Redmoon383 2d ago
I don't get it, we have 2 free lives and 50 mins. Use them up! My first time against Shara ishvalda in world used up 45 minutes and 2 faints and i don't hold it against anyone when they haven't learned a fight yet.
→ More replies (4)5
u/Mission_Cut5130 2d ago
Ive managed to cut it down to 20 myself! Gonna keep trying to see how low I can get it with my old man bones
6
u/DragonOfDojima25 1d ago
I got Zoh Shia in under 15 minutes after getting my ass handed for the last 2 hours😭
7
u/ToastedWolf85 2d ago
I like challenges but loved the ease into it if honest. I did not complain but I am glad that, to me, Zoh Shia was a difficult challenge. Got him first try still :) I know I need to fight him multiple times and I am intimidated by it, but the more I subject myself to it the better I will get.
My slay time was just under 45 Minutes.
7
u/Mission_Cut5130 2d ago
I mean... its the internet. There will be people that will shit on you for thinking the earth is round haha
But yeah, having fun is why we play games. Id say we take the win since were actually enjoying a game were playing!
3
u/CrazzyPanda72 2d ago
What are you trying to say, the moon landing was real? Bah look at this crock
→ More replies (2)6
u/GoldSunLulu 2d ago
that's when you realize most people don't touch grass and can't hold a normal conversation. I don't post almost anywhere because people online ar the worst. i jsut engage with the brave ones
5
u/i-dont-like-mages 2d ago
The only reasonable critique of wilds and how easy it is to me is the length of hunts, which to me is a really easy fix if capcom wants to adjust it, which it seems like they are. I think after the wound system gets tweaked and maybe weapons or hit zones get rebalanced the game will feel really good overall.
The only people I know who failed quests from dying during the story of MH World were complete noobs to the series. I literally cannot remember the last time I failed a hunt in any monster hunter aside from 3U (conveniently my first game) from carting during the main LR and HR story.
5
u/LordBDizzle 2d ago
Honestly I think Wilds is fine for challenge. The monster health is a bit low for my tastes, probably because they didn't know quite how to balance wounds, but they hit plenty hard. I got one shot by a few monsters on my grind up to HR50, so clearly they have the damage output, and the movesets are good. I don't think it's too challenging, but for pre-master rank it's better than what people were saying at release. Master Rank will kick our collective butts for sure.
→ More replies (7)3
21
u/vix_aries 2d ago
at all you get the World Glazers going "WILDS IS STILL PISS EASY GET GOOD!"
Yet they were pissing and moaning when Alatreon and Fatalis released. 🤣
4
6
u/Schr0dingersDog 2d ago
it’s extra funny bc there’s a very reasonable case to be made that pretty much everything in world pre-shara ishvalda (and including shara tbh) is also “piss easy.” and that’s with what’s supposed to be a master rank already added. like, to circle back to a named example, shara spends 2/3 of the fight doing basically nothing and has an ultimate that can be avoided by literally doing nothing. and those guys will act like that frolic of a fight put their balls in a george foreman grill then turn around and call wilds easy because fatalis isn’t in. it’s silly.
→ More replies (2)5
u/Niskara 2d ago
For me personally, it was Alatreon's elemental dps check and Fatty's timer that consistently screwed me up with those hunts but I still found them pretty fun for the most part
9
u/vix_aries 2d ago
Fatty's timer that consistently screwed me up with those hunts but I still found them pretty fun for the most part
Ngl World Fatty is scarier than Frontier Fatty. The later I was at least able to solo. Great fight but man that timer really hates you.
→ More replies (1)4
u/Idontknownumbers123 2d ago
As someone that has replied world many times wilds was harder then any of my second-fourth world play throughs. With my HH play through I didn’t faint until alatreon and my charge blade play through made the wilds monsters look like bullet sponges. Wilds is 100% easier for everyone just because we got better at monster hunter
5
u/TheNerdBeast 2d ago
EXACTLY!
MH isn't getting easier we are getting better! Experience is a transferable skill between games!
→ More replies (1)4
u/GouchGrease 2d ago
The same World glazers who also had a pids easy game lol. At least Wilds is fun
5
u/Caaros 2d ago
Which is funny since HR Zoh Shia is notably more difficult than pretty much everything in launch World and most of its Title Updates, I'd say. Definitely outpaces Xeno'Jiiva, that's for sure.
9
u/drinking_child_blood 2d ago
Yeah but Xeno is a slog of a fight and it just fucking sucks so it's mentally harder, and lest we forget the shining Sapphire Star of a "fight" that Zorah is
2
→ More replies (15)2
u/Normal-Warning-4298 2d ago
Chances are those are the same ones who cried when icebourne alatroen dropped
33
u/ZweiNox 2d ago
I swear people are fucking dumb with fighting Zoh Shia
Game-tells you to destroy Wylk crystals numerous times
NPCs-MAKE SURE TO DESTROY THE CRYSTALS THEY EXPLODE IF GIVEN ENERGY
Zoh Shia- you are taught this
Rank 8 Zoh Shia-Players hide behind crystals and proceed to get nuke and die
Me-ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME
Honestly the fights are kinda hard, but dear god it feels like everyone who only did unga banga are unga fucking dumb
12
u/Educational_Can_6583 1d ago
So pretty much just like with alatreon where the game scream at you to do something but somehow people manage to not do it.
5
7
u/curai-exo 2d ago
Ya I had 3 randoms join and all three died on that attack doing that! Said forget it and did it solo(with helpers)
→ More replies (5)3
2
u/cid_highwind02 1d ago
I am in that dumb camp. Haven’t died to it as there are safe spots, but I didn’t get the gimmick like Jin Dahaad
→ More replies (2)2
39
u/MasterSword223 2d ago
high rank zoh shia was my first double and triple cart of the game. 10/10 fight
17
u/Niskara 2d ago
Jin Dahaad was my first failed quest when I was getting a little too overconfident since nothing else was a major challenge to me and High Rank Zoh Shia was the first monster I truly felt challenged by since and I cannot wait to see what else they cook up with
→ More replies (1)5
u/MarsHumanNotAlien197 1d ago
Literally exact same here, I went into Jin Dahaad still wearing Barina armor because I liked the fashion and felt confident, and then triple carted cause half his attacks one shot me lol
4
u/Zarta3 2d ago
Nothing hits quite like the powerful feeling of being a top hunter getting crushed in 1, singular hunt. I love it
→ More replies (1)2
1
40
u/Icefellwolf 2d ago edited 2d ago
Honestly the zoa shia hunt just felt like standard elder dragon level difficulty and clear times. It's a fun hunt but nothing crazy. My first clear was on glaive at 17min, I could cut down half the time pretty easily since I was purposefully dragging out the hunt running around the arena to see it's full moveset. Also when the fuck did people start bitching about people comparing clear times? Its been a normal conversation topic in the community for years
15
u/Lone-Frequency 1d ago
Because Wilds attracted a larger consumerbase, many of which are complete dogwater at the game and take anybody playing better than them as if they're being insulted.
10
u/Niskara 2d ago
That's basically my case as well. I got it done in a little under 16 minutes and that's mainly screwing around, seeing if it had any new moves. One post in the main sub had the op saying it took them nearly 30 minutes, one guy said it took him 16, and when I said it took me around the same and wondering if there was a harder version I was missing out on, I get downvoted quite hard and accused of gloating. Like, really?
9
u/Icefellwolf 2d ago
It's really weird, I guess alot of new players that aren't use to how things are in the community. But comparing times normally and not using it as an ego point is not bragging. And being unsure if there's a harder version is pretty normal. I was trying to see if there was a tempered version also.
Overall the fight doesn't have to much new, its a good hunt and the armor and weapons are pretty cool. I'm gonna hunt it with different weapons and see how fast I can be on each. I'm already expecting my duel blades and gunlance clears to be really fast.
3
u/MaggieHigg 2d ago
I had the same experience talking about any difficult boss in elden ring, I made a comment once talking about how I didn't actually struggle like, at all against a particular DLC boss and had nearly 200 downvotes lol, I was just giving my input in people saying they were unfair.
2
u/LogisticsEmulator 2d ago
Seeing stuff like this makes me really want those hammer buff's. My best time on Zhoh is 15 minutes rn but I barely took any damage during the hunt. I've done 4 hunts since the title update counting the assignment and while I'm not wearing meta I still have endgame gear and a good Artian blast weapon.
3
2
u/Reasonable-Row9998 1d ago
Done it with 12 mins on glaive but i think it also depends on the weapon i can see a dagger or ls getting carted on this.
2
u/KirbyTheGodSlayer 1d ago
I think this is my biggest problem with the lack of Elder Dragons in Wilds. What many people don’t seem to understand is that Elder Dragons are not just a monster class, they are a difficulty level. (In fact, they are mostly a difficulty level as Elder Dragons don’t all look biologically related)
The Wilds apexes are fun but they feel like that, local apexes. They aren’t harder than what a Diablos would be. Elder Dragons are a test for your abilities as a Hunter.
I personally had a fun time with Zoh Shia using IG too and defeated it in 25 minutes because I had two carts from being too cocky but it’s not as hard as the posts are pretending.
15
u/OsoPescado 2d ago
Man, people certainly don't know how to have fun enjoying a video game, do they lol
9
3
2
u/Balbaem 1d ago
It starts to feel like people are not talking about videogames but their full time job they secretly want to quit but don't have the balls to. Bitterness all around
2
u/OsoPescado 1d ago
I have a couple friends who are like this about WOW. I asked one once if he even likes WOW and he was like "not really"
2
u/Balbaem 1d ago
Yeah. It's like they don't know how to stop, and become resentful to the game they originally probably loved. Like after 160 hours of Wilds being the only game I play, I was starting getting burnt out of crown farming. So guess what, I stopped playing for a while ?! And now I'm back and refreshened for farming crown and alternate between different things in the game and it's great. I feel like people who get so bitter about the game just farm things endlessly until the game loses its flavor. Like work
6
u/Toreole 2d ago
Regular misutzune was pretty simple for me, but thats after farming the fucker a hundred times in rise/sunbreak, and having pretty good equipment, so yeah
2
u/KirbyTheGodSlayer 1d ago
Mizutsune wouldn’t have been my 20th pick for an update in Wilds because I am too used to him. I can basically visualize all he can do a minute away. It’s a fun monster but he’s getting bullied
→ More replies (1)
56
u/lansink99 2d ago
I really don't get it, to be honest. Zoh Shia is not even close in threat level to tempered gore magala, but now all of a sudden I hear a bunch of people going "see? you all wanted this, now we have this monstrosity" and the monstrosity in question can't even get me below half hp.
18
u/Moist_Atmosphere6344 2d ago
Everyone needs to just understand that difficulty is different for everyone. I get my shit kicked in by Guardian Doshaguma, but almost every other monster is easy ish for me so yeah. Everyone has a different experience.
26
u/Niskara 2d ago
Seen people saying rhe same thing about Mizutsune. Yeah, the bubble fox has a few new tricks that took me by surprise, but it wasn't nightmarishly difficult likes others are saying
→ More replies (2)17
u/Cigarsnguns 2d ago
The first time I fought Mizutsune during it's into quest, I thought it was a low-rank for a bit because I broke its head almost immediately.
12
u/Ryengu 2d ago
I'm wondering if that easy head break is a requirement for it to go Soulseer mode.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (2)5
u/Intelligent-Two3669 2d ago
same-ish here new player to the series and imo mizu was just plain easy with the exception of me being caught by the beam a few times and the only "difficult" things about zho was having randos triple cart on me and the range spam combo with the fireballs
3
u/Cigarsnguns 2d ago
I've only fought Zho once since the update, and I only carted because I got hit with an attack I didn't see, then he hit me with an aoe right as I stood up
7
u/Killjoy3879 2d ago
i honestly never fought gore magala that oppressive. at least for an insect glaive he didn't really attack me as much. This Zo Shia however is the very first time i ever failed a quest solo in this game after 60 hours of playing it.
10
u/MorganTheMartyr 2d ago
Almost like everyone plays different and some hunters will perform different against the same monsters, zoh has carted me more than Gore in all the 100+ times I fought him in Rise and GU. I find it weird people find Gore hard, he's way too easy, Arkveld on the other hand was the real challenge.
But this is a subjective opinion and you should probably say the same cuz seems like you're just saying objective "facts".
1
1
u/skiddle_skoodle 1d ago
yeah ig it depends per person. zoh shia is probably the most challenging fight for me rn in wilds, while tempered gore is just kinda there. guess it depends on weapon match up as well.
1
u/KirbyTheGodSlayer 1d ago
As an IG player, I somewhat agree. Zoh Shia is way more fun than BS Tempered Gore Magala where you can’t see anything but also way easier to me. Gold Crown Tempered Uth Duna made me fail the quest right after I slammed Mizutsune lol.
→ More replies (1)1
6
u/ToastedWolf85 2d ago edited 2d ago
For me with my good ole reliable, LS with one cart took me 45 minutes. I don't care if it is not fast or what others say I beat it by playing it safe. It has a lot of HP and a lot of attacks were doing massive damage. I got intimidated. I still hold to my statement however, "If you defeated the Monster in the time limit and got Quest Complete to show you did it right."
I figured as I got practice I would do it faster and improve. Forgot to mention took me 45 minutes, just shy of it.
6
u/Niskara 2d ago
Exactly! Who cares how long it takes you(unless you're using cheats that makes the hunt over in, like, less than 5 minutes), so long as you have fun and you get the job done and not be an intentional hindrance to others
2
u/ToastedWolf85 2d ago
Oh yeah I was solo, on Xbox without gold. Definitely had fun :) Got almost the same rush I felt from finally slaying Nergigante after almost 20 or more failed attempts.
3
u/Niskara 2d ago
If you don't count support hunters, I always hunt solo. Easier for me that way and if I fuck up and fail the quest, that's on me and no one else
4
u/ToastedWolf85 2d ago
I don't SOS or play MP until I beat it solo. I like becoming at least competent, I do hope to help others who do struggle with it though. First I gotta get good before that though.
Also as long as you are having fun, with support or without, really doesn't matter.
2
u/Niskara 2d ago
And that's a perfectly fine way to hunt. I've been trying to get the achievement for doing however many multiplayer quests but thats usually the extent of it
→ More replies (3)2
u/linkedup11 1d ago
Took me 39 minutes and 1 cart with a charge blade on my second serious attempt of the quest. I honestly have no idea how people are getting such quick hunts on all monsters. I'm not using CB properly, I guess. I'm gonna have to really learn it next year master rank. Eh, as long as we can finish the quest, It's all good.
→ More replies (1)
8
u/OrangeCatsBestCats 2d ago
The game is ez but man sometimes you can get utterly bodied if you cant get into a rhythm. Shame the main sub is filled with people who don't seem to actually play the game and enjoy it.
→ More replies (2)
11
u/Exhausted_Titan 2d ago
I can’t lie.. I’m lowkey staring at everyone hollering about how awesome and challenging Shia is wondering what it is that I missed.
It’s not that it’s bad, it’s not that it’s super easy or anything of that nature.
If anything it just feels like what I have come to expect of an elder dragon level fight. But if you played World then you know how to fight this thing and if you’re playing cautiously you really shouldn’t be getting floored the way some people have described.
5
u/brandersan 2d ago
all i can say of it is that it didn’t die in 3min so maybe that’s throwing new players off and thinking it’s a big bad
5
u/Exhausted_Titan 2d ago
lol When it died and I looked at the timer I thought
“Ah okay so he’s like an elder dragon. Bet.”
6
u/nsg337 2d ago
I think its just inexperienced people, and then them rushing to complain on reddit. He felt really hard to me on my first try, but once i learned his moveset i only carted once again in like 3 more hunts. He can really get you if you dont pay attention and one wrong move carts you sometimes. If im fighting him the same way i fought arkveld im getting my ass handed, you need to be way more passive and actually wait for openings.
2
u/Exhausted_Titan 2d ago
Elder Dragon’s are very much the same way when done right imo.
They require that you learn the monsters flow and then attack only when you have those openings. Anything else will be met with pain. lol
3
3
u/Icefellwolf 2d ago
I'm at the same point. If you've played past games it's not really hard. I fully think it's about as difficult as HR lunastra in world or equivalent elders. But wilds did bring in a ton of new players that don't have that experience and when all of wilds expect tempered gore was pretty easy it could be a leap for newer players or those that aren't as good (not in a bad way everyone has different skill levels)
2
u/Exhausted_Titan 2d ago
I chalked it up to experience as well.
Having spent hours grinding KT and Fatalis, large scale monsters are scary for their damage but general safe zones are the same.
All in all it was nice to have a new monster but I killed it once then got ready for work.
2
u/Icefellwolf 2d ago
Yeah i have a tinted view on difficulty in MH now since I have 11k hours in the series and have killed almost all the really difficulty monsters in the series (I've hunted fatalis into extinction at this point lmao). So the best I can do is compare it to difficulty of a monster from past games high rank. I would put zoa on par with HR luna in world. Can catch people off guard but really isint difficult.
It was a fun new monster to hunt and farm out so I'm happy. I was missing the feeling of having an elder tier monster
2
u/Exhausted_Titan 2d ago
That’s honestly my only REAL gripe as I can excuse a few things and even the whole difficulty issues I threw my hands up and said whatever; but no elders?
That felt.. wrong.. Like World was my first MonHun so I am by NO means a series or franchise vet but like.. the Elders are where it’s at. And while Gore is cool.. he’s the edgiest monster ever and I have no real desire to face off against Shagaru after rise
2
u/Daxxex 1d ago
Honest question, which games did you play that made you feel it was the standard elder dragon experience?
For me an average elder dragon walks around the same maps normal monsters do and maybe take a bit longer to hunt. While a non standard big bad elder dragon like Nakarkos and Fatalis are the ones that ate spectacle fights and take a fair bit longer
→ More replies (1)
7
u/Futur3_ah4ad 2d ago
Zoh Shia is the first real challenge I got in Wilds, tbh... Failed that HR quest twice before succeeding with a buddy.
2
u/vix_aries 2d ago
I just finished my first HR fight with it and holy shit was I on the edge of my seat. I got carried by the wylk bursts and thunder pods ngl.
2
3
u/Traditional_Tune2865 1d ago
My man really made a blob in the box post over 13 downvotes lol
→ More replies (2)
3
u/Staz_211 1d ago
Had the same exact reaction. He's fun, he's harder than other fights, but he's not the "OMG KICKING MY ASS TAKE THAT EVERYONE WHO SAID THE GAME WAS TOO EASY" hard. I soloed him in 15 min with one cart the first time I fought him (horizontal lightning attack got me).
Still a great addition to the game, still a better challenge than the rest of the game, but no where near what people repeat posted about while I was at work.
→ More replies (4)
3
u/LR8930 1d ago
Well on my first attemp i had a blast with Zho Shia, i didn't lose, but carted twice and was down to no potions and a sliver of health. Took me 25 minutes and spent the whole hunt smiling due to how crazy the whole thing was
Second attempt carted once, took 22 minutes
3rd attemp didn't cart, took 21 minutes
4th attempt didn't cart, took 17 minutes
As every monster hunter game with any monster, gets better as you get to know the monsters
2
u/SS2LP 2d ago
Been feeling the same I’ve yet to do more than cart once against them and kind of just wonder what people are doing that they triple cart. The carts I have had were mainly zoh Shia just combing me into oblivion. I’ve more or less just decided it’s not worth it to take part in discussing the game’s difficulty with others though because they can’t decide if the game is easy or hard.
2
u/PeppermintSkeleton 2d ago
I got it done in 28:48 with one faint, absolutely the most fun I’ve had with the game so far
2
u/Icirian_Lazarel 2d ago
Gate keeping in games is just something I've accepted, pretty much in every major game community… you'll get used to it.
2
u/Kuruzen 2d ago
That's been my experience with the MH community, main sub especially has a phobia of meta discussion and build critique while the actual in-game community is as close to non-toxic as you can get, crown hunters joining and leaving and non-host players capturing without permission being the only annoyances.
2
u/sylva748 2d ago
Mizutsune...challenging? I mean it's nice it has Soulseer moves to spice it up. But it isnt.
2
u/Th3Tru3Silv3r-1 2d ago
Both of them are the perfect level of difficulty. Mizutsune is fast as all hell and is a threat both close and far. Zoh Shia is an actual challenge which is perfect for a "boss" monster.
2
u/Brit_Cuss_Word_fam 1d ago
I don't want to brag but legacy/old monsters are kinda easy because throughout my 4 gen long experience with the franchise I kinda memorise 75% of thier moves and if the new MH gave the monster an new move I just keep that in my mental note "oh he does that now and just keep that in mind"
It's like you fight the same first starter boss for the first time and throughout the countless games you see the same boss at the same time with almost the same recognisable attack pattern
I guess it's just me and I don't want them to get rid of legacy monsters
It's just how it is
→ More replies (2)
2
u/Snotnarok 1d ago
Monster Hunter seems to be a complicated series for this kinda thing since they've changed things a lot in the last few games.
I played the PSP and 3DS games a bit but I couldn't seriously get into them because no one I knew wanted to buy a PSP/3DS and those I knew who did have a PSP/3DS? Didn't have an interest in MH.
World comes out on console, dammit again. Please for GOD sakes put it out on PC so I can play with fr- FINALLY SIX MONTHS LATER. We hunted everything we could (except Extreme Behemoth) in base world. Monsters were fun and challenging, the most fun were the ones that made you change your build, decos or even weapon.
I love that stuff. Wilds I feel is easier and not just from a "You're experienced" kinda position. I feel like the monsters are getting cut down faster than base world. And I'm not a meta build kinda guy, I like my comfy stuff and I mostly stumble my way through building something. Or- a friend has a decent recommendation I'll follow that . . .with some modifications to make it more comfy.
The 'lack of difficulty is not a bad thing though since- ya know, we don't have AT monsters yet or master rank. The game has a lot of monsters and difficulty options that can come along, it's fine.
If folks are getting mad because you killed a monster with ease or whatever? That's just insane. I'm happy for ya. I got a lot of people into world and they struggled (much like I did at first) and they were discouraged at first but- no man, we'll get 'em next time don't worry. You're learning. This is how it goes and you'll get better.
It's the same with Wilds, got someone new, they felt discouraged, told 'em we'll overcome it n' it's not a big deal. The next week they apparently went ham solo and learned a lot and they're doing great.
That's what makes MH fun, a difficult game that lets folks cater how difficult it is with decos/gear and you can rally up n' beat up monsters and to help others.
IDK why folks get mad at these kinds of things, it's a game. Have fun n' encourage your fellow hunters.
2
u/ThatOneFurry666 1d ago
Zoh Shia didn't cart me once, but got damn close to it multiple times.
Mizu wasn't as close since it was a hr 21 monster and I have full Guardian Arkveld armor and a good artian paralysis IG but still fun
2
u/Knightmare_memer 1d ago
The thing is Zoh Shia isn't even that hard, people just aren't preparing for it. And I'm stuck with jackasses carting three times because of it
→ More replies (1)
2
u/HunterMask 1d ago
I'm new into the series but the main sub looks like its kind of collectively insane? Is this a case of new game bad old game good or am I missing something?
2
u/SouthPawArt 1d ago
Zho Shia, 20 minutes, not carts. How bout you?
2
2
u/cad_e_an_sceal 1d ago
I saw the memes first saying how hard they were before I faced them, I was underwhelmed by the difficulty
2
u/Watch-it-burn420 1d ago edited 1d ago
Honestly, I’m surprised as well. I’ve never bragged about beating this thing. I just stated my opinion on the fight and how I thought it went. Which to recap personally I feel the fight is actually rather easy. It’s not easy like fighting the starting frog creature level easy obviously but as long as you know the mechanic to get up against the wall during his ultimate and as long as you stay around his tail for when he does his mini ultimate Around his feet, so you can easily avoid it and then outside of that just watch for the telegraph of his fireball attack if you just keep track of those three things, the whole fight is actually really easy in my opinion I’ve killed him well over 20 times and I’ve only died three times to him once was to the ultimate before I knew about it and the other two times which of the fire around his feet before I properly learned the telegraph, but that’s it. I’ve never died to him since, and that wasn’t me bragging or at least it wasn’t meant to be, but when I posted that I had no Idea That a lot of people were actually having like Vietnam level struggles with this thing…
So I ended up getting dog piled and I ended up deleting the post but damn.
Also, I’m surprised by the number of people who seem to simply refuse to hot key, a far caster to their quick bar… like if you’re ever in a super dire situation that you don’t think you can heal from just start spamming that in the second you can use it you will go back to camp you’ll be safe. You can heal restock everything and then get back in the fight. But people either don’t know about this thing or just refuse to do it for some reason which is probably leading to a lot more death than it needs to when it’s easily avoidable.
It makes me wonder what would happen if a lot of these players went back and bought monster Hunter worlds and then fought alatreon💀
2
u/That1RagingBat 1d ago
Ya know what, I wanna know how well you did. Tell me all about it, bud
→ More replies (1)
2
u/Legitimate_Classic84 1d ago
I feel like people get full carted once or twice and then immediately start talking about difficulty.
Like bro that's just what happens when you learn a new fight chill out. Just load up another one until you win I only get easier after that first full wipe.
2
u/AttitudeHot9887 1d ago
Honest review of both.
I love mizutsune even tho i only fought it once, great addition to roaster, cool gear, and fun fight.
HR zoh shia, its tempered gore magala all over again, either i get lucky and pack him up easily, or it decides, “yall lived long enough” and starts letting fireball fly everywhere. Great raid boss of a fight, but man yall really need to learn how to use seikret to run away instead of panic rolling but at the same time, seikret picks me up and runs into the explosion i was trying to avoid.
2
u/Overall-Shine-8610 1d ago
Ima be honest im very suprised about the amount of people that die in the zo shia figth
Like common if you just have any decent armor and know abt the crystals its not that hard not to die
2
u/Aeroknight_Z 1d ago
Release wilds and early title updates are easy because it’s the later title updates and eventual full dlc that will contain the much harder stuff.
The people bitching that the early content is hard are in for some shit later.
4
u/DivineRainor 2d ago
I do not want to mean this as a gloat at all, but my first hunt with zho was 10 mins after seeming memes about him being difficult and "the challenging content we asked for". My dissapointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined.
1
2
u/yaboibruxdelux 2d ago
After seeing all the Reddit posts about how he trip-carted everyone, I prepped and went in with max evade and about 430 defence. Kicked his ass with hunting horn, no carts. About 15 mins. Not hard if you prep.
2
u/Individual-Prize9592 2d ago
Idk man 30 mins seems to be the average
→ More replies (1)2
u/nsg337 2d ago
my first one was 25 with sns, but honestly sns felt horrible against him. Got 18 on my next try with bow and 20 in a group of 3
→ More replies (1)
2
u/PurestCringe 2d ago
I play lance.
Any talk of difficulty is met by "Is this some peasant thing I'm too invincible to understand?"
No seriously you guys don't understand how fucking obscene lance is with Guard 3. Tempered Mizu is pretty darn "easy" but it feels like a fkn boxing match with how much back and forth there is.
He never carted me but god damn was he fun.
I just wish his weapons weren't utter ass.
1
u/Skeletonparty101 2d ago
Finally a hunt where I can cart.
But honestly I felt temp mizu was a harder fight, I'm excited for when ark version is out its going to be a glorious battle
1
u/ChangelingFox 2d ago
I've still only carted 3 times since the game came out, it is what it is. Everyone's at a different skill level, and some folks are just cracked.
1
u/wadewilson726 2d ago
Originally was mentally equipped to fight zoh Shia solo. I started the quest andy two randoms joined instantly, my brother saw I was playing and joined up. I was gonna practice my GS on zoh but something told me to stick with my IG. In the end my brother and a random fainted at the same time counting as 1 cart then the other random didn't make it. But we managed to defeat it in 21 minutes with one cart looking over us the last 10 mins of the fight
1
1
u/whatisapillarman 2d ago
I honestly felt my Zoh Shia clear time could have gone a lot faster if 3 others didn’t join in the middle and probably boost its HP and bunch. Still sub 15, which felt good for a first run. We even had a guy cart to the ult.
As for Mizu, he was dead in less than 6 minutes. I don’t even think I got to see his entire moveset. Same wound/stagger/topple problem that plagues the difficulty currently.
1
u/WeGotMonkey86 2d ago
Mizutsune wasn't challenging at all in all fairness. But Zoh Shia was definitely touch and go on whether I was going to survive or not.
1
u/Minimum_Sir_9341 2d ago
I think people can't really agree on what hard even means. I saw someone in a thread saying "he just has a lot of HP and has a lot of attacks that do high damage" and like... yea? Isn't that kinda just what difficulty boils down to in these games?
→ More replies (1)
1
u/Veidrinne 2d ago
Zoh was an easy fight. Long, but easy. I have spent a lot of time learning how to use my GLance and CB, and the HBG is fun to use. They all got blocks. I question something, and I pull up the shield lol. I did get blasted by his 1shot tho, because I was glued to his face and didn't have time to get to his tail. As a 4man we had a time of 22'53. Great fight, hell of a lot of fun.
1
u/NotThomas15 2d ago
"Man, it sure is taking a while for a Zoh Shia investigation to spawn. The high rank fight was fun, and the gear looks so cool! I sure wish I could fight it again."
5* Zoh Shia:
1
u/NockedSenseless 2d ago
Solo, no flare cpu hunters either, 21:38. He carted me with that whole turn the whole room into a fireball move.
1
u/Ok-Association-9776 1d ago
Be a solo that never engage with anyone else opinion and achieve true inner peace
1
u/Jesterchunk 1d ago
If you skip straight to the fourth panel that's just how I felt with rajang back in iceborne, like he was hard even with dual blades and I still carted once but I did somehow first try him, so hey.
1
u/Lithaos111 1d ago
Considering I've been a solo player through all of World and Rise...I wasn't aware people had an issue with them in teams.
1
u/pokeyporcupine 1d ago
I have yet to triple cart by myself on any quest in wilds and I'm at HR100. World was my first game. Wilds is still challenging. ZS is not an easy fight. People just want to complain man.
1
u/Steelsacristan 1d ago
18 min zoh, 8 mitsu. They're easy cus im decked out and SnS trivialises most fights. 🤷♂️ I don't care about anyone elses hunts. A kill is a kill.
1
u/TwoFingersNsider 1d ago
Mitzu has always been a pushover. They added a few little violet moves with the exploding bubbles. But pretty much anyone who has played more than one gen has fought Mitzu a million times. I think they did him very well in Wilds, and I think he is the best base Mitzu we've had. But challenging? no lol. Zoh Shia was just a gimick death here and tehre to the fire which was counter intuitive. I thought I had to hid behind the boulders. Once I died once or twice and saw to shoot them, haven't died again. Def still not challenging. I think if these two monsters were in the base game like they should have been, the end game would have been alot healthier at launch and the game would have retained more players. Having no walls in the game to keep people playing just has them moving on to another game. or returning for 1 day of TU and then back to not playing.
1
u/BottomGear__ 1d ago
Say they are fairly easy, and you’ll get yelled at for being a hater. Say they’re kicking your ass and you’ll be told to learn the game.
Zoh is the hardest, and by far the coolest fight in the game. Yes, I beat it first try with just a single cart, but I have hundreds of hours of experience in World and Rise. The difficulty is a ramp up from pre-TU1 content, but it’s not Capcom pulling a “Game’s easy? Here, have a Fatalis”, and that’s fine.
Every TU will be harder than the last one, and I don’t expect MH vets to face a real challenge before TU4/TU5. TU1 being a easy for vets, but a pain for new players is perfect.
1
u/rtocelot 1d ago
Haven't gotten that far yet but I'm sure I'll get mauled lol. I had been on world after the main story so I'm not sure how it'll go for me when I get to them lol
1
u/neosixth 1d ago
Just don't do SOS on your investigation, more times than not your team will triple cart lmao
1
1
u/Ok_Experience_4652 1d ago
So are people trying to solo him, and are dying alot? Or just using SOS and dying alot?
1
1
u/UnkwnSilkUsinMonster 1d ago
Didn't play rise but played from mh3 to world. Mizutsune was easy as heck. Didn't potion a single time. Ended in 6 or so minutes. Was going in thinking it was going to be gore level. Zoh Shia was hell for me though. SWAXE just pops all of his bubbles.
1
u/Cosmicpanda2 1d ago
My experience as a hunting horn main:
Against Mitsu, I bludgeoned them to death with the Conga Horn, because I could just keep up momentum and health, ramping up in raw power and using Arkveld Armor to tank through elemental attacks and smash harder with more raw power, Mitsu kept getting stunned and staggered, so, raw aggression and tanking is very effective at taking away from its main power
Zoh Shia.
Pain.
Ow.
Beat it first try but that was 2 carts and a jelly revive. Needed to learn about that Nova attack sooner. And needed to be a lot more careful and not so aggressive
1
u/Critsune 1d ago
Mizu was legit easy for me, but that's because ai have his moveset memorized and tbh it didn't change much from Rise. Chia pet on the other hand has some nasty combos and my lance saved me from a lot of shenanigans. Was I the fastest kill? No. But a kills a kill, and people need to stop being so sensitive to others opinions
1
u/StormStrikzr 1d ago
It was a pleasant difficulty bump from release, I don't know why everyone is being so dumb about it, hopefully the trend continues Wilds is already great and only getting better.
1
u/BikeSeatMaster 1d ago
I dont keep track of my times, but I only know I did not take a particularly long time to solo them, let alone having it feel like its dragging out.
1
u/Helpful_Shirt_9712 1d ago
I said this in some previous post somewhere but, it 😁 was a bit more of a challenge but still no problem. I don't expect much from HR monsters since.
1
u/bellystraw 1d ago
I think a good chunk of the community got tired of everyone and their mother conplaining about everything being too easy. It turned into a type of "bragplaining" with people constantly talking about their fast times etc.
Almost felt like checking in on a portion of the Dark Souls community back in the day. You know the type, ask a question and you get a "WOW, you found that hard snort "
Basically, unless I'm specifically looking at speedruns I've been mentally conditioned to go "Oh, shut up" when people brag about their times.
1
u/M1liumnir 1d ago
I find Zoh harder in multi because he sometimes decide to change focus do a 180° in the middle of his fireball move. Otherwise the fight is not that hard and I'm actually shocked by the number of people getting carted by his phase transition.
1
1
u/DovML 1d ago
As someone who played some souls-like games before (and still is), Wilds is easier to me compared to souls-like games. I came in with the mindset of "If I can beat Malenia, I can beat this monster".
However, I do understand why people might find the game hard, especially if you don't have any prior experience.
→ More replies (1)
1
u/KetwarooDYaasir 1d ago
yeah. I only carted in the zo shia fight because I was too focused on trying to cut the tail. Did not cart for the soapy snake. That must make me a heinous war criminal.
1
u/zeusandflash 1d ago
On average, every monster took me about ten minutes to kill on the first encounter. LR Zoh took 15-20. This time around, Zoh takes, on average, 18-20 minutes for me. My fastest time was 15 minutes after joining a fresh SOS. It was two GLs, a LS, and a bow. It was great.
I want more challenging monsters, and I'm also excited for Rey Dau again. This is a good start.
1
u/Zartoru 1d ago
They're definitly harder than anything in the base game, but like the bar wasn't that high. I still double carted, which never happened until now in wilds, but it's nowhere Rise in terms of difficulty (which makes sense because Rise was balanced with wirebugs in mind so monster had to be faster and more agressive to keep up)
1
u/Louisoooon 1d ago
My first* attempt at zoh shia took me 16mn
*(My actual first attempt ended with my game crashing as a result of his big nuke attack....)
→ More replies (1)
1
1
u/Lumpthepotatoe 1d ago
Its reddit, homie. Heres how you break the terminally online curse. These people see points like social credit. If you arent getting the updoots, you are lesser.
Stop caring about who hates what. If they get mad at you, just troll them or ignore them. Its fake internet points. Most of these people probably either arent playing or just generally want to be mean. Or a bot.
Heres something more important
Did you have fun? If so, thats fantadtic!
Or do you feel youve grown as a hunter?
Be free, my guy. Dont let the onliners and shower avoiders dissuade you from kicking ass.
1
u/N30N09 1d ago
Yeahh, I once said that MHW is like normal difficulty, not easy nor hard. I never played MH before, it was my first experience. But I did play some soulsbourne who are meant to be hard, and also did it normally. Still doing stuff in a good time and enjoying it is the important part, just don't listen to the negative people. They are only looking for an excuse to cry.
1
1
u/Jygglewag 1d ago
If you still wonder how others are doing, here's my experience with Mizu:
I couldn't play Wilds due to hardware issues but a friend invited me and let me use her PC to play for a bit. She beat it first try in 15 min with insect glaive, and I did pretty much the same with hammer using her character. Mizu is beautiful, easy but fun to fight.
I think her character was too high level for the fight ( rank 108, with endgame gear) so we'll be waiting to find a stronger version of him to test our skills :)
→ More replies (1)
1
1
u/Nightmarer26 1d ago
Haven't fought tempered Mizu yet, but the regular one was dissapointing. Zoh Shia is fine. The main thing about Zoh Shia is the high HP, other than that he is basically the same fight from Low Rank.
→ More replies (1)
1
u/Turbulent_Town4384 1d ago
Neither did I, did use a faint on Zoh but I find Mizu incredibly fun. Love the Soulseer attacks he has now.
1
u/phifeedogg 1d ago
Dude im trying to fight Zoh Shia with a buddy and I think we spent like 4 hours on the fight “. He said he was falling asleep and he kept “waking up to dodge the attack and then get back under the monster”. Shit I guess he’s so easy by buddy can sleep on the hunt 🤩😎
→ More replies (3)
1
u/Liedvogel 1d ago
I think both had just the right amount of challenge in my opinion.
Neither felt easy, but I killed both first try and it felt like I worked for it.
It may be the weapon, thigh. I killed Zoa with a horn and Mizu with GS. I'm also rather experienced at fighting Mizu, and I don't think anything will ever challenge me like Violet Mizu did in Rise.
1
u/loganisdeadyes 1d ago
I'm not even at the level I can challenge them at. Moisturized, in my lane, flourishing, learning Sword n shield, frolicking.
1
u/Valyntine_ 1d ago
I was gonna say "not trying to gatekeep" but I thought about it and fuck it I am trying to gatekeep, monster hunter discussion was so much more chill and less toxic and miserable before world brought the series into the mainstream
1
u/GipsyBanana69 1d ago
I had this discussion with my group of friends.
I found Zo Shia very easy and manageable, they found it incredibly hard.
We proceeded to get our asses delivered by Arena Chatacabra, which was Hilarious.
1
u/Raiju_Lorakatse 1d ago
Don't know about others but for me, I usually aim for beating a monster in roughly 10 minutes. Zo Shia and Jin Dahaad are the exceptions here so far because of their seemingly large HP pool. My Zo Shia runs both solo and Multiplayer have been from like 13-15 minutes up to like 25. Mizu tends to sit at roughly 11:30 so far.
Is any of this fast or slow? I have no idea. Do I have fun anyway? Fu** yes
1
1
u/ProposalWest3152 1d ago
Im with you friend.
The fights were stupid easy if you have more than two braincells and dont face tank.
Everyone on this sub "ThaTs CuZ YoU hAvE oLd GaMEs ExPErIeNcE".
Fml.
1
u/Sethazora 21h ago
MH has never really been a mechanically difficult series.
people like to pretend it is but if you actually adapt to each games unique mechanics and understand the baseline combat system its a fundamentally comfortable experience. early games had lot more artifical difficulty in knowledge and prep thats been consistently removed while the only newer game to really amp up mechanical monster difficulty was rise, who had the single largest reduction in artificial difficulty with their strong balance design.
Zoh is very easy if you make use of the mount and slinger bursts. he has basically no attacks that punish you for attacking his back legs, and the one that does can be easily avoided by walking into his tail. especially for DB for those juicy wound punish and of course IG whom he just can't really deal with. Lance and GL can just fight him normally pokeing in the mouth as long as they pop in guard up. Sns can just kinda spam slice him to death with impunity.
LBG Pierce sorta just ate him alive haven't tried bow or hbg yet though.
The only ones i really had to do some awkward tech fighting with were hammer/HH and GS. GS was still easy just using more draw slashes and focus walking strikes, hammer/HH i just had to accept I shouldn't try to bonk the head and just slap his feet until i can knockdown.
still need his rare parts after 12 fights though
mostly just an hp bloat monster though really just in comparison to how little hp other monsters in the game have.
tempered mitzu is fun but fights mostly the same as previous generations but not quite as fast as sunbreak while you have more control. idk if i can really weigh in on its difficulty as I could recognize how to fight him before he even dropped he still has the same openings. The tail slam is dangerous but the hp bar actually gives you pretty ample warning to perfect block it or back hop/evade out of it. and he's still a sprint of a fight with low Thresholds and health, very easily CC chained between wounds stun para. Lance and SnS still absolutely bully him.
1
u/Xeblac 21h ago
Personally I beat them both on the first try solo. Mizu was super easy, but Zoh Shia was very hard. I almost lost to Zoh Shia. I may have beaten him first try, but that fight was very long and it was very hard. Especially since I did not know the wilk mechanics until I saw someone else do them when I went to help others with the hunt. Now I can beat him with no carts pretty consistently. Only problem is if others join the hunt.
I will say though. I only fought Mizu the one time, so maybe it will be different if I fight it again.
1
u/Mildstrife 20h ago
This is how I felt. I got one of those difficulty mods cus I’ve been playing since tri as I’m sure many here have, and I just wanted the fights to push back a little more.
I’m not really interested in a guaranteed fight. I like the prospect that I might lose. But even with the mid my Zon Shia was 28 minutes and my tempered mizu was about 18.
I liked it cus it felt like older endurance fight hunts. The mod gives monsters 30% more health, makes wounds harder to proc and decreases weakspot damage just a bit. If makes a layer build feel genuinely valuable I stead of feeling free
1
u/nodood42 14h ago
Just waiting for the collective fan base to shit themselves over Master Rank. Yes Zoh is the most "difficult" in the game, but nothing in the game has been a genuine challenge with intended gear. It's nice to have a set of base, not upgraded, gear for a sense of challenge.
1
u/DUCKmelvin 1h ago
Mizu feels like a T2 monster, but apparently tempered (which I didn't fight yet) is T3 like the Apex guys. It does feel pretty easy.
Zoh on the other hand is the exact level of difficulty I wanted from the base game, with Arch Tempered gear being what will make it easy when they come out.
After running from a constant stream of attacks for a whole minute and running out of mega potions, then still having like 5-10 minutes left after getting Zoh down to the skull symbol, I knew that it was reasonably difficult and exactly the fight I wanted.
First time I had a fight over 20 minutes.
(I still need to fight Tempered Mizu though, now that I know it's actually a bit difficult and is T3. I didnt even get bubble blighted once the first time I fought it and it's literally the first Mizu I ever fought, as a veteran MH4U and World player, although I never beat every monster in either game, just got really close to it.)
271
u/Keayblade 2d ago
>Mention you had a relatively okay time with Zoh/Mizu, told to shut up and stop bragging.
>Mention you had a hard time with Zoh/Mizu, told to shut up, git gud, update your armor
You will never win with any of the MH subreddits, I promise you. They've all become relatively awful.