Me after the title update

[u/shadygecko37]

[u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

It's honestly kind of insane that Wilds made bowguns so bad they're least picked up weapons even before TU. I can imagine that even less people will use them now. How did they make BGs less popular than HH which has always been one of the least used weapons??

[u/Dragonfire148 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

Probably the best thing to do, since they've been the best weapon in the games for... I don't know, at least two generations now.

[u/gargwasome → u/Dragonfire148]

I think the only games (other than Wilds) where they’re not the best are like 1th Gen and maybe 4th Gen

[u/Jolls981 → u/gargwasome]

In MH4U the best way to grind 140 Rajang was to use 3 Gravios HBV and 1 status gunner

[u/gargwasome → u/Jolls981]

Yeah I never got too far into 4U’s endgame (gotta do a replay at some point) so I only knew they were strong. I would’ve assumed 4U’s strongest weapon was Charge Blade the way people talk about it

[u/Jolls981 → u/gargwasome]

Charge blade is probably the strongest for a standard playthrough as it has the tools for anything, but it’s actually only mh4u and maybe GU where it shone. In mh4 is was considered laughably bad (didn’t have shield charge) and in mhgen it was needed from how strong it was in mh4u.

[u/Equinox-XVI → u/Jolls981]

Hema 😋

[u/Barn-owl-B → u/gargwasome]

Valor HBG is the single most busted weapon in GU lol

[u/starscream191 → u/gargwasome]

They’ve been best against a majority of monsters in each gen since like 2. They weren’t particularly good first gen btw only a few niche cases for them

[u/gargwasome → u/starscream191]

Yeah for first gen (at least MH1) you wanna go with Lance since they gave it the ability to always hit with the strongest damage type (so slashing or blunt) depending on the zone it’s hitting

[u/starscream191 → u/gargwasome]

Ain’t gotta tell me man I was there lol

[u/Equinox-XVI → u/Dragonfire148]

I don't know, at least two generations now

They've been dominant in every single generation but Gen 1 and specifically Tri 3U (because of Kelbi bow)

[u/gyrspike → u/Equinox-XVI]

Kelbi bow didn't exist in Tri. Its blast element which was introduced in 3U.

[u/Equinox-XVI → u/gyrspike]

Dangit, my bad

[u/Barn-owl-B → u/Equinox-XVI]

Kelbi bow was only good for multi monster hunts and multiplayer hunts, it’s nowhere even close to the most powerful weapon in solo play against one monster. HBG was still more powerful, and the brachy bow was better against single monsters than the kelbi bow

[u/Kprime149 → u/Barn-owl-B]

People were not using Kelbi because it killed fast. It was because you could stun lock the monster to death solo or in a group.

[u/Luijenp → u/Dragonfire148]

So this is punishment?

[u/Corsnake → u/Luijenp]

Sometimes I get the vibe that some people honestly think that because the devs couldn't balance them properly for a long time, it means is perfectly reasonable to nuke them to the ground in another game.

Instead of, you know, doing their damn job and balance them correctly.

Maybe I am wrong, but holy crap is disheartening how as an LBG main I see every balance convo and every time is LBG convo time it feels a constant subtext of "good riddance" like that is healthy for the design.

[u/Wonderful-Reach2198 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

Honestly surprised HH isn’t more popular in wilds given you can take it as a secondary, play a song with the effect extender so it lasts a few minutes, and switch back to your normal weapon for free extra attack up or whatever else you want in the hunt.

[u/elcarick → u/Wonderful-Reach2198]

Nah horn maestro stops applying if you switch to another weapon (except horns).

[u/Wonderful-Reach2198 → u/elcarick]

I meant the effect extender song like on the Arkveld horn which seems to extend it even when you switch from my testing when using it with attack up song.

[u/Empty_Chemical_1498 → u/Wonderful-Reach2198]

It's on 8th place, it's a MASSIVE jump given how in other games it's on the bottom.

I think it's just the stigma that it's "too complicated". People see the melodies list and decide it's too hard. Also that it's "just a support weapon"

[u/Serious_Priority_747 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

I personally also didn't Play the hunting horn in world for that exact reason and am finally starting to play it thanks to the weapon switching mechanic

[u/AirCautious2239 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

But wasnt it huge in base rise where everyone even joked about it being the new speedrun weapon even outclassing LS?

[u/Gugus296 → u/AirCautious2239]

the new speedrun weapon

There is no "speedrun weapon." Each weapon is its own category, they don't compete against each other.

And HH was super busted in the Rise demo, but it was toned down to a solid middle-of-the-pack in terms of clear speeds by release and ended up being pretty low by the end of Sunbreak iirc

[u/Just-a-bi → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

To be fair, the HH feels really good in this game compared to Rise and World.

[u/hvk13 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

I dont understand why they made spread, slicing & sticky so underwhelming

[u/Corsnake → u/hvk13]

Conveniently the same 3 ammos that were the main builds in World for Bowguns.

Their over-nerf is no coincidence.

[u/Ahmadv-1 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

good weak people weapon getting used less means less weak people!

jokes aside pretty sure only LBG is being picked a LOT less in wilds, HBG pickrate is decent (and to be fair HBG got a ton of cool stuff and "feels" better to shoot with, LBG got nothing cool)

[u/According_Decision67 → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

bro what ? lbg and hbg is amazing . elemental bowgun is good and wyvernheart

[u/Harmonic_Gear → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

don't know how bad it is, but it's so boring to play, you just stand there and click

[u/Empty_Chemical_1498 → u/Harmonic_Gear]

I mean not really. It's not like you don't get monster's aggro and are safe all the time doing nothing. There's art to play a bowgun too, wven if it's a simple weapon. Especially if you play around with utility and not just pure damage. In World LBG was my main weapon and it's one of the most versatile weapons you can have. Amazing for damage, amazing for support, low risk and very forgiving, but very good if used correctly. And there are lot of things to consider. Choosing the BG with best list of ammos for the fight, making sure you have materials to craft on the go, knowing when to use which ammo, keeping the correct distance for each ammo type, applying correct mods that fit your playstyle. And there were lots of plastyles! All of this can apply to HBGs too, although they're better just for damage than support.

Now BGs have a lot more moves, but the weapons themselves lost a lot of customization and pretty much killed unique playstyles. Back in Worldborne you could customize the reload time, recoil, deviation, add evading reload, increase close/long range damage, increase shots' speed... Now you can't do that. Every BG is the same except for the design and ammo list. There's a reason why BGs used to be much more popular in other games and now are on the rock bottom.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

The onigashima is one of the most unique LBG in world and its a crime that every bowgun in wilds is a pierce stick

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Harmonic_Gear]

Different ammo used to be like different moves. But now you have fuckall ammo reserves for slice sticky and cluster

[u/gargwasome → u/Empty_Chemical_1498]

Inshallah Capcom will nerf BGs until they’re removed 🙏

[u/Toxic_Tyrael]

What happened?

[u/Raiasulaias → u/Toxic_Tyrael]

They make bowgun deal less damage while mounting. I think it like minus 60% damage now

[u/Outrageous_Shallot61 → u/Raiasulaias]

Ok, I was really confused by the shotgun horse XD

[u/Hot_Guys_In_My_DMS → u/Raiasulaias]

60%?! DAMN

[u/Brain_lessV2 → u/Raiasulaias]

Good

[u/lansink99 → u/Raiasulaias]

Wait that's actually so terrible. Mounted HBG was one of the few ways I found enjoyment out of that (now) dogshit weapon

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/lansink99]

Then give feedback. Don't shut up about how wilds bowgun is a fucking unfinished abomination.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Toxic_Tyrael]

Massive nerfs to spread on seikret. The fact people thought spread on seikret was any form of acceptable as a fix was dumb anyway. We need a full bowgun rework

[u/PhyNxFyre]

I only found out about that play style a couple days ago and was thinking of putting a build together to try it out, shame I didn't even get to try it, but at the same time I'm glad I don't need the handicap to beat monsters

[u/BurningPenguin6]

Why even nerf something that so few people are using to begin with? For a lot of MH players, a 10% damage nerf is a big enough reason not to use mounted Bowguns, but it also just felt bad to play as well. This is the most unessecary nerf I could think of for Wilds.

[u/chiknight → u/BurningPenguin6]

The devs always said they didn't want seikret horseback shooting to be a viable thing. They specifically don't want players to just fight from near total safety of their seikret. Of course it was getting nerfed.

You can see, in this thread, people that say they only enjoyed the bowgun on the mount. That's a problem. They should have fixed the weapon itself at the same time, yes, but they also needed to further discourage people playing in that degenerate style.

[u/BurningPenguin6 → u/chiknight]

If they don't want people playing like that, why even include it as an option in the game to begin with?

Why give us the ability to use our weapons while mounted if they don't want us to use it?

[u/Diablos43]

I would've wanted to do that when i would get it!

Damnit :(

[u/shadygecko37 → u/Diablos43]

Yeah… they neutered it HARD, which is really sad cause it was hella fun

[u/Diablos43 → u/shadygecko37]

Nooo!!!

:'(

[u/NellyLorey → u/shadygecko37]

Wait what was neutered? Hbgs on seikretback?

[u/shadygecko37 → u/NellyLorey]

Both guns actually, it went from -10% to like -60%(?) not totally sure on the exact number but it was hit HARD

[u/Delta5583 → u/shadygecko37]

On very rough numbers from like 4 total shots I've seen that it's 66.6% damage reduction for HBG and 63% for LBG.

Probably not the exact numbers but it's really not necessary to check more to see it's ass

[u/gyrspike → u/shadygecko37]

Right but it's really on HBG that mounting was any real use. LBG is already mobile enough and loses rapid fire when mounted which makes it terrible for doing damage even before the nerf.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/NellyLorey]

Bowguns in general cus wilds Bowguns suck. But yeah seikret

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

wilds bowgun is trash and has been since launch. Pierce being the only viable ammo sucks.

We can't stop talking about how much worse wilds bowgun is if we want it to be better than this trash

[u/Urethra_Papercut__]

As a diehard HBG main for pretty much the entirety of the series, Wilds makes me super sad. Hopefully, they make more positive adjustments, but currently, it's just not fun to spam Wyvernheart and Pierce/Colored Pierce all the time.

[u/SydneySoAndSo → u/Urethra_Papercut__]

I've personally enjoyed having wyvernheart so frequently, but the lack of ammo variety feels gross. I'm hoping the higher rarity stuff has more variety than this.

[u/Urethra_Papercut__ → u/SydneySoAndSo]

I'm holding out for the potential Master Rank expansion somewhat fixing bowguns but I doubt we're gonna get much love

[u/SydneySoAndSo → u/Urethra_Papercut__]

That's what I'm hoping for as well since Rise did really open up HGB options in sunbreak. Never got into LBG, though, so I can't say anything on that. I think my main disappointment was how they changed the wyvern piercing shot. I understand wanting to distinguish it from Dragon Piercer, but it's very unsatisfying to use.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/SydneySoAndSo]

The pierce/wyvernheart stick is objectively the worst bowgun has been

[u/SydneySoAndSo → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

How so? Like, I know Piercer is worse now, but Heart doesn't feel much different.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/SydneySoAndSo]

Because everything other than pierce (includes element which is just all pierce now) is bad. Universal recoil and reload you cant change too.

[u/SydneySoAndSo → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

What does that have to do with Ignition though?

Also, that's objectively not true, Spread and Normal have always been kinda bad, but slicing and sticky are still fantastic at what they're designed for. Slicing severs tails faster than any other weapon IME, you just have to step back for 10 seconds and craft more.

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Urethra_Papercut__]

We need to keep talking about how wilds bowgun sucks. We need the feedback to reach them

[u/Urethra_Papercut__ → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

It's been regular for me since day 1. Easily the worst HBG has ever been

[u/ShawnJ34]

They did hbu so dirty in this game, I get it it was very cheese with sticky, cluster, spread but come on they could’ve just tweaked the numbers. They had the weapon already be forced to only use elemental, pierce or normal and then proceed to gimp the damage while riding and I’m just wonderering why do they have it out for the bowguns now.

[u/Skylarneko]

FIRST THEY CAME FOR MY HANDLER, THEN THEY CAME FOR MY KITTY KITCHEN, NOW THEY'VE COME FOR MY GUN!? HOW DARE.

[u/Yell0wWave]

I thought it was already neutered because mechanically it’s feels awful to do this BUT NOW NUMBER LOW?!

My hunter’s lore was based off of the the thrill of the hunt (it was easy) but now they ruined a viable, lore friendly build (my hands are riddled with arthritis)!!! Capcom just wants to cycle metas (I’m personally a victim) to encourage long term engagement (probably true).

[u/Nighteagle64]

I'm starting to think I'm the only person in the world that uses the HBG.

[u/Sukanya09]

Dev make it hard to collect berry is piss me off.

[u/Fobbles_]

How could they. How am I not going to fight the monsters now?!

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Fobbles_]

Do you know how world bowgun plays?

[u/Fobbles_ → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

Yeah. Way better than before too 😂

Still shredded Zho Shia with bowgun though

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Fobbles_]

Yeah. Way better than before too 😂

Incomprehensible. Better than before what?

Still shredded Zho Shia with bowgun though

Imagine if you had legiana hbg

[u/Fobbles_ → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

Better than world

Feels like I’m actually doing something

[u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans → u/Fobbles_]

Better than world

Bait.

[u/Fobbles_ → u/Blahaj_Kell_of_Trans]

I mean it’s a genuine opinion

Definitely better than 4u 😂

[u/Toasty3131 → u/Fobbles_]

You’re smoking actual black tar heroine. The HBG in wilds is worse in every way compared to every counter part in previous entries

[u/Fobbles_ → u/Toasty3131]

If black tar heroine is equivalent to likening the new heavy bow gun I don’t think it’d be so illegal or kill so many people

Idk what to tell you, I like it. I do wish the sniper mode we’re still an option though. I liked laying down and sniping

[u/Toasty3131 → u/Fobbles_]

Liking it is completely fine. I have no issues with anyone liking anything. But to say it’s better than any of the previous entries is just straight up incorrect.

[u/Upstairs_Taste_123]

Good, I hate range weapons.