r/MensRights • u/La_petite_miette • 2d ago
Discrimination The Labour Party promised to reduce violence against women, but male victims are far less important!
Since the Labour Party won the last elections in the UK, it's vital to discuss the party's planned policies. One of them is articulated in the manifesto https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-MANIFESTO-UK-2024.pdf:
We will do more to stop violence that happens to women and girls. For example, we will have special teams of people in every police force to support women and girls.
Bear in mind that it happens in a country where over 70% of all murder victims are MALE. Nevertheless, men and boys are not mentioned as included in any policies aimed at reducing violence against them (a far, far greater social problem than VAWG). The male gender is only included in more 'universal' plans that bring up the subject of people's violence against other people, with no mention of how equal men's and women's risk of getting assualted is:
There is too much serious violence. And many people don't feel safe in their own communities.
No, many MEN don't feel safe in their own communities. Just read the study https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2021:
In the 1960s, the proportion of homicide victims was fairly evenly split between males and females but have since showed different trends. The number of female victims has tended to fluctuate between 180 and 250 a year from the 1960s, although there are occasional years where the number has been higher than 250. In contrast, the number of male victims increased, reaching an average of around 550 a year between year ending March 2001 and year ending March 2005
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u/Fit-Commission-2626 2d ago
if we are not there to make change that better fits our desires than change will likely not happen and the same is true for the rest of society and feminist will continue to have far more influence over the culture and conservatives main two things are tradition and capitalism and those things are not good for most males either but if you want to influence them i do not object.
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u/LivingMaterial2089 2d ago
Men are taught from birth, YOU MUST NEVER HIT A WOMAN, I don't subscribe to that btw, because the vile cunts think it's a licence to treat men like shit and saying things like this enables them. You should never hit a woman who's done nothing wrong I agree with. Or hot ANYONE, nothing to do with GENDER, These gendered laws make me sick.
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u/Fair-Principle-3756 2d ago edited 2d ago
I feel like it’s a complex issue but that maybe the reason for the initiative is that VWAG tends to be concentrated to two main areas - sexual violence and domestic violence. So, from a reporting standpoint point it’s much easier to track and therefore a realistic aim to tackle and measure success.
As male victims are pretty much the majority across every area of crime except those two, addressing it means addressing all crime as a whole, which I assume is a lot more complicated. I guess the argument would be that there are already specific initiatives that address crime where male violence is at its highest e.g. knife crime. It’s just not branded as reducing “male violence”, I assume because this risks putting emphasis on the perpetrators rather than the victims.
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u/SpicyTigerPrawn 2d ago
except those two
I doubt that's actually true when studied objectively. Gender A is told to never touch or hurt Gender B's feelings and take whatever Gender B dishes out regardless of the reason or severity. While Gender B is told that Gender A is deplorable, subhuman, and undeserving of empathy. It does not take a genius to guess how these two opposing directives pan out in how partners actually treat each other. When Gender A does attack Gender B it's probably because they snapped after having to absorb dozens or even hundreds of attacks in the other direction.
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u/Fair-Principle-3756 2d ago edited 1d ago
You’ve got a point, you may be right that men make up that majority of victims for lower level DV crimes in hetero relationships and DV within male gay relationships is also conveniently never spoken about. However women clearly make up the majority of those who are seriously injured/killed in domestic violence situations, due to the difference in physical strength.
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u/SpicyTigerPrawn 2d ago
However women clearly make up the majority of those who are seriously injured/killed in domestic violence situations, due to the difference in physical strength.
I do not dispute this was true in the past but with the rise in so-called "pink crime" it seems to be equalizing over time. These days I see just as much violent behavior from women, including public fighting and road rage, as I do from men. If you read up on what happens to "karens" who attack partners and innocent bystanders, they mostly get a slap on the wrist so long as the victim is male, which only emboldens them further.
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u/Fair-Principle-3756 2d ago edited 2d ago
That’s interesting to hear. I agree that times are changing and women can be violent aggressors I just have doubts that the shift has been so dramatic and so quick that they now make up the majority of violent perpetrators in certain areas of crime. I could be wrong though, I tend to look at what the stats are saying.
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u/Punder_man 2d ago
I tend to look at what the stats are saying.
And do you look critically at what the stats say?
Do you question the conclusions the stats say?Because it is very easy to get statistics to say or imply what you want them too..
For example, lets take Rape statistics, on the surface, the statistics would show an epidemic of women being raped...
But, when you look at the fact that the crime of "Rape" is in many countries specifically gendered to be a crime that only men can commit, couple that with the fact that men are more likely to be arrested and charged with rape...Then of course the statistics are going to reflect that..
The same thing applies to domestic violence, men are more likely to be arrested and charged with domestic violence and so the statistics reflect that..
If we as a society were more honest and treated women equally and arrested them when they committed rape or domestic violence and charged them at the same rates I would be willing to concede that men would still most likely be the majority of offenders..However, it would not be as clearly one sided as it currently appears to be.
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u/Fair-Principle-3756 2d ago edited 1d ago
100% all these variables are important. A stat that shocked me recently that was reported last month was: on average in the UK, a women is killed every 3 days by either their partner or ex-partner. I could remember that same number being reported a few years back as 1 every 2 weeks and thinking “god that’s high”, so the newest increase has really stuck with me.
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u/MapEnvironmental4041 2d ago
This doesn’t make male victims less important. But over 80% of domestic abuse victims are women, of course women can be the aggressors and that’s still a huge problem. But to act like there isn’t a problem with women being the victim in violent crimes in pure ignorance. Labour promising to reduce the violence against women in no way devalues men’s experiences but instead brings to light the countless of times women have also fell victim to violence. The way you are trying to twist this so harmful to women in these situations and the men too.
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u/sombrerocabbage 2d ago
I appreciate what you're saying. Violence against women is a serious issue and absolutely deserves attention. But the "over 80 percent of victims are women" figure usually only covers reported physical violence. It often leaves out emotional abuse, coercive control, and the fact that male victims are much less likely to report abuse.
According to the Office for National Statistics, around one in three domestic abuse victims are men. Studies have also shown that men are more likely to downplay or ignore abuse from female partners, especially because of stigma and the fear they won't be taken seriously.
Talking about male victims doesn't take anything away from women. It just helps make sure support is available for everyone who needs it.
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u/MapEnvironmental4041 1d ago
I agree with what you are saying and I think that we should talk about male victims. But why are mens issues only brought up in order to bring women down. Advocating for men is abusive situations is great and a big step forward in society. But it seems men’s problems are only ever talked about to downplay women’s problems.
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u/sombrerocabbage 1d ago
I don't think they are brought up just to downplay women's problems.
But as victim myself, trying to find support actually highlighted how little support there is for men...
Read my Post from earlier to understand more. 😜
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u/MapEnvironmental4041 1d ago
So support men! It’s that simple, but if people like this (the ones who are making these sorts of posts) only see it necessary to talk about men’s experiences when women are being supported and heard don’t really care about men’s troubles. Have the conversation about men by all means I agree that it needs to be talked about! But appreciate when it’s time to talk about women and not men for a change.
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u/dougpschyte 2d ago
Well, when they include male victims in the VAWG statistics, it can hardly be surprising that there APPEARS to be an 'epidemic of violence' against women & girls. The truth bears no resemblance to reality. And it's used to stir up more fear, hatred and trouble.
This nonsense began to get out of hand under Starmer's watch when he was Director of Public Prosecutions. He will throw men under the bus to curry favour with feminists, of whom he now has plenty in his Cabinet, in a disgusting synergy of self-interest.