r/MensRights • u/Appropriate-Use3466 • 1d ago
Legal Rights Ley Alina and Bagkok Rules: Licence to Kill for Women
https://youtu.be/VCatyILa9nU?feature=sharedIn Mexico in these days there is the debate about the approval of the so called Ley Alina (Alina Law), a law according to which women (and only women) will not be punishable if they claim self-defense, neither for homicide nor for excess of self defense. Self-defense will be assumed as the default if they declare it, and questioning it will be considered "second revictimization" and therefore much more difficult to get. So both false self defense unidirectional male victims and bidirectional/mutual violence victims will get a double standard treatment. I quote from the law which is already valid in Baja California:
“Excess in self-defense shall not be considered when the woman is the victim of physical, sexual or femicidal violence, or when she has been in danger of being so, and at the time of the act she can prove that she has been in a state of fear or terror or is in a state of confusion that affects her ability to determine the appropriate limit of her response or the rationality of the means employed.”
And:
"Legitimate self-defense shall also be presumed, unless proven otherwise, in the event that the woman is a victim of physical, sexual or femicidal violence, or in the event that she was in danger of being a victim and repels the aggression. In these cases, the State Attorney General's Office or the jurisdictional body, as the case may be, must act with a gender perspective to determine the legitimacy of the legitimate defense. The same criterion will be applied when a third person acts in her defense."
For more informations:
https://youtu.be/VCatyILa9nU?feature=shared
This is also in accord with the Bangkok Rules. The Bangkok Rules, or formally, "The United Nations Rules for the Treatment of Women Prisoners and Non-custodial Measures for Women Offenders", say:
"Alternative ways of managing women who commit offences, such as diversionary measures and pretrial and sentencing alternatives, shall be implemented wherever appropriate and possible"
"When sentencing women offenders, courts shall have the power to consider mitigating factors such as lack of criminal history and relative non‑severity and nature of the criminal conduct, in the light of women’s caretaking responsibilities and typical backgrounds."
And:
"Appropriate resources shall be made available to devise suitable alternatives for women offenders in order to combine non‑custodial measures with interventions to address the most common problems leading to women’s contact with the criminal justice system."
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u/annoyinglyAddicted 1d ago
All the men who voted for these radical lawmakers are the worst kind of traitors
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u/Vegetable_Ad1732 1d ago
Christ, as bad as the USA is, I'm starting to think I'm lucky to be there.
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u/Thinking2Loud 1d ago
the evil woman that falsely accused me and seprated me from my son is from mexico(brough her here to usa on fiance visa). this is why when i say western women also includes countries like mexico, men should stay away from those countries.
and in regards to the laws, this does not surprise me. typically what tends to happen is whenever usa implements laws/policies like vawa, duluth model, etc. other western countries like mexico, canada, australia, spain, etc. tend to follow suit with their own versions to destroy men. and the opposite probably happens as well in near future
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 1d ago
In Italy we introduced the Ni Una Menos latin american feminist group as our Non Una di Meno, and the term Femminicidio from the Latin American Feminicidio/Femicidio, so it's spreading from there to all the West...
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u/SarcasticallyCandour 1d ago
An automatic assumption of self defense unless proven otherwise?
Is this a fucking joke? The only way a trial should be is a blank slate, no siding with anyone, only going where date shows. This is an ideological framework being used as a default.
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u/Heavy_Consequence441 1d ago
I thought Mexicans were based wtf is this shit lol
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u/Infer2959 1d ago
The fact they elected such a shitty president pretty much showed they are not, and they'll have to deal with her for at least 6 years...
Yeah, good luck with that.
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u/Big-Candidate-7309 9h ago
Me to lol until i learned more about there culture and things like this like how the hell a culture can have massive cartels and hyper narcoculture to the point people fear you but have posible soyboy laws like not having gun rights and whatever they could implement that can damage the average man i feel like rightwing conspiracies are true since the average man will feel rejected by the state they will embrace narcoculture to feel some form of control destroying it from the inside
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u/wumbo-inator 1d ago
Are the Bangkok rules actually in effect or are they just proposed similar to the Ley Alina law?
How popular is the Ley Alina law? Is it probably going to pass? Is it just some minority group of misandrist feminists screaming loudly?
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 1d ago
The Bangkok Rules are in effect since 2011. The Alina Law is already in effect in Baja California since 2023, now they are debating about extending it in all Mexico. I don't know if it's going to pass, I'm Italian so I found this new by chance by comparing our new Femicide Law with the Perspectiva de Genero in Spain and I found this, after finding that the Femicide law in Italy was due to the request by UN in the CEDAW that reprimended Italy for not having a Femicide law. However, in 5 seconds I told you so many laws and places (Bangkok Rules and CEDAW for the UN, Femicide Law and Alina Law in Mexico, Violencia de Genero and Perspectiva de Genero in Spain, DDL Femminicidio in Italy, and so on...) that are conspiring against men that I'm not so optimistic...
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u/wumbo-inator 1d ago
Yeah this is the first I’ve heard of this, but I know feminists in Mexico have been lying about gender violence and passing misandrist laws for a while now... so unfortunately I’m not that surprised.
I’ll have to look into this. Seems like there’s a lot going on.
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u/Stock-Scientist6685 18h ago
They should learn from Argentina and drop the feminist Government.
Afuera!
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u/RevolutionaryRip2504 1d ago
both men and women should face equal consequences wtf
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 1d ago
It's the "Gender Perspective" (Perspectiva de Genero), even in Spain they want to give "agravante de genero" because the "gender-based violence law" (ley de violencia de genero) was "too limited" because it applied only to partners and former partners and now they say that it has to be extended to all the Penal Code (Perspectiva de Genero en el Codigo Penal, ie Gender Perspective in the Penal Code):
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u/No1peterparkerlover 15h ago
mexico has the highest femicides rates dawg of course they are going to have that law
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 14h ago
So are we going to allow murder to stop murder?
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u/No1peterparkerlover 12h ago
do you understand the concept of self defence😭🙏🙏 the world isnt "swiper no swiping!"
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 12h ago
We talk about assumption of self defense. If this is so right, then ok, make it gender-neutral!
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u/No1peterparkerlover 12h ago
also lets bring up the horrendous amount of women AND men who have been jailed and had their lives taked away from them because they defended themselves from offenders and murderers. i dont get how dense you can be. if this was some other country id understand but seriously mexico? a country where women are killed for simply being women and have crimes committed towards them daily? seriously you need to get socially, politically and emotionally aware.
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 12h ago
If you include men, fine, but here in the Alina Law the assumption is only for women. Law should include ALL the cases, not just a certain amount or demographics
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u/No1peterparkerlover 12h ago
LMAO ARE YOU SERIOUS😭😭🙏🙏 MEN IN MEXICO LITERALLY GET AWAY WITH KILLING WOMEN ANYWAY, THEY DONT NEED THE SELF DEFENCE LAW. WOMEN THERE NEED IT BECAUSE THEY ARE THE MAIN VICTIMS YOU CANNOT BE THAT DENSE🙏🙏🙏🙏
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 12h ago
Are discriminatory laws for one ethnicity acceptable if in a given context that ethnicity commits more violent crimes than the others? If not, then this same logic cannot be justified by saying that there is a lot of violence on women in X Place/Country/Context/etc.
And anyway, if even one single discriminated person suffers an injustice, even if other people around that person with their same gender or ethnicity are committing more crimes, if that single person is killed for false allegations of self defense and the law is assuming self defense, it's still an injustice.
If a law does not take into account even one person who might suffer such injustice, then it should be changed and replaced with a law that takes into account all possible eventualities and cannot be exploited or misused against innocent people.
It's not acceptable to use Trauma Excuse to throw innocent people under the bus, as if victims of a certain gender or ethnicity or sex or demographics do not exist or should not be considered because there are so many other cases where the victims are of other ethnicities or sex or gender: the law must take into account all possible cases, not just the majority or a certain demographics or those that are more trendy in these days.
Law should include EVERYBODY. None exclused. Otherwise it's ad personam and it's not right. It's uncostitutional.
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u/No1peterparkerlover 12h ago
all this yap would be avoided if you turned on your brain switch and read the comment🙏
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u/Appropriate-Use3466 11h ago
"In all four samples, there was no significant difference between males and females in either the overall prevalence of physical aggression or the prevalence of severe attacks. Among the 553 couples where one or both of the partners were violent, in almost three quarters of the cases (71.2%) there was gender symmetry in the sense that both partners engaged in this type of behavior. When only one partner was violent, this was twice as likely to be the female partner (19.0%) as the male partner (9.8%). [...] studies showing that women initiate PV as often as men, suggests that programs and policies aimed at primary prevention of PV by women are crucial to ending PV and for reducing the victimization of men and women."
[Straus M.A. & Ramirez I.L. (2007). Gender symmetry in prevalence, severity, and chronicity of physical aggression against dating partners by university students in Mexico and USA. Aggressive Behavior: Official Journal of the International Society for Research on Aggression 33 (4), 281-290.]
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u/Current_Finding_4066 1d ago
I hope to never to live in such a misandristic shithole