r/Michigan • u/Exaskryz Age: > 10 Years • Feb 15 '25
Politics šŗšøš³ļøāš Don't Tempt Me With a Good Time, Eh
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u/Interesting_Jump_763 Feb 16 '25
Please. If this were to happen my wife would agree to move our family back to the mitten
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u/joeyjacobswrote Feb 15 '25
If Michigan does become part of Canada, would Detroit stay āDetroitā or would it become āNorth Windsor?ā
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u/Halofauna Grand Rapids Feb 15 '25
DĆ©troit
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u/Jeffbx Age: > 10 Years Feb 16 '25
Day-twah
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Feb 16 '25
Yes!!! I applaud your knowledge of the French pronunciation.
I learned this from Alice Cooper's history lesson in Wayne's World
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u/Terrh Age: > 10 Years Feb 16 '25
Detroit gets renamed "north windsor" and windsor gets renamed "south detroit"
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u/Torb_11 Feb 16 '25
Detroit would eventually become Canada's most important city economically despite it's downfall. And Michigan the most important state/province in the Nation rather than an often forgotten state among the 50 states.
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u/MC_PooPaws Feb 15 '25
Bring on the universal healthcare!
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u/Bishopkilljoy Grand Rapids Feb 15 '25
and 1 month long election season
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u/PickleLegitimate5826 Feb 15 '25
and 1 year paid maternity leave
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u/Alternative-Plum9378 Feb 15 '25
and proper snow plows
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u/NotEvsClone81 Feb 15 '25
16 Months of Skatey-Punchy season!
E: whoa, did not mean to yell like that
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u/CanuckBacon Age: > 10 Years Feb 16 '25
Even better, it's parental leave, most of which can be split among the parents. 15 weeks for the mother and 40 weeks for either parent.
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u/SadSoil9907 Feb 16 '25
You can stretch out to 18 months if you want and then we have $10ish a day daycare when you do choose to go back to work, just saying.
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u/zippykaiyay Feb 15 '25
This is like the greatest thing about Canadian elections. That and when an election is called, the government dissolves. No lame duck. Period.
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u/MoarTacos1 Feb 15 '25
But it's socialism!! /s
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u/EmotionalMycologist9 Feb 15 '25
Bernie2025
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u/decoruscreta Feb 15 '25
I still believe in him. It broke my heart to allow the Dems to cheat him out and shove Clinton in, but I still think he has a shot.
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u/LoLFlore Feb 15 '25
Too old at this point man, hes 83, hes gonna retire shortly.
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u/littlemiss198548912 Feb 15 '25
I, for one, welcome our new Canadian overlords
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u/Whizbang35 Feb 16 '25
I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Reddit commenter, I can be relied upon to round up others to toil in their underground maple syrup mines
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u/Bored_n_Beard Feb 15 '25
Canada gets Michigan and Alaska ,Greenland gets California, Mexico takes back Texas. It's a good system. Help the US get to a manageable size.
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u/Iwritemynameincrayon Feb 15 '25
Why would you punish Mexico like that?
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u/Major_Section2331 Feb 15 '25
Agreed. Our neighbors to the south do not deserve that kind of āgiftā.
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u/Kinieruu Feb 15 '25
Itās always bothered me as a kid that Canada didnāt have Alaska, itās literally connected to Canada but not the U.S.
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u/angelbelle Feb 16 '25
You should see how the coastline looks like where Alaska stretch so far down into BC. It's absurd
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u/bradman616 Feb 15 '25
I love this idea but not sure about Mexas. They are a tad insane down there and not sure if Mexico wants that š¤£
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u/Driesens Feb 15 '25
Then we can cut Texas loose. When they devolve into a failed lawless state, and all their power goes out in a winter storm, somebody else can conquer it piece by piece.
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u/Similar-Breadfruit50 Feb 15 '25
Give them New Mexico, AZ and Nevada instead and call it a day. No one wants Texas but Elon.
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u/snow-haywire Feb 15 '25
Having lived in Texas, they would revolt if they went back to Mexico. They very much want to be their own country at this point.
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u/AccomplishedBug4036 Feb 15 '25
How do we make this happen?
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u/winowmak3r Feb 16 '25
Well, first you'd have to win the resulting civil war. The last time states tried something like this it wasn't exactly a smooth exit.
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u/Kaellpae1 Feb 16 '25
If Canada accepted them they'd have allies at least, right? I assume if it came to a civil war and many connecting or bordering states wanted to join Canada they might be willing to help.
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u/HowCanYouBanAJoke Feb 16 '25
The UK will support you for a few bottles of your finest maple syrup.
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u/Nightmare2828 Feb 15 '25
Even if you did pass a vote for it, Trump would send the army before signing whatever needs to be signed.
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u/Kooky_Ad_2740 Feb 16 '25 edited Feb 16 '25
That's how you get the Michigan insurgency of the 2020s marked on your bingo card.
It's a state full of deer hunters who can shoot at long range no big deal.
Have fun, Afghanistan style if that happened.
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u/idkk_prolly_doggy Feb 16 '25
Well, itās technically, explicitly forbidden by the Constitution, buuuut that seems to be on shakey ground these days. As a Minnesotan, I am rooting for your success, and will follow in your footsteps.
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u/lavavaba90 Muskegon Feb 15 '25
Idk I love canada, but their housing market is worse than it is here in Michigan.
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u/ennuiinmotion Feb 15 '25
Yeah but it wouldnāt change if Michigan joined. Weād have the same amount of housing as before. Unless Canadians all wanted to move to Michigan.
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u/Tribe303 Feb 15 '25
Canadian here. About 1000 home renovation tv shows would descend on Detroit. How y'all feel about gentrification? Cuz hell yeah, we'd be moving to the cheaper housing there!
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u/F0REM4N Lowell Feb 15 '25
So, a boon for Detroit and a new poutine industry? Sold.
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u/wtfwtfwtfwtf2022 Feb 15 '25
This is actually a really great idea for everyone. Letās make this deal happen!
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u/panickedindetroit Feb 15 '25
I have family there, and they keep telling me to move in with them for a few years. I was born in Saulte Sainte Marie on Kincheloe USAFB and I have the Yooper/Canadian accent anyway. I live 20 minutes from the bridge, and I have a friend who works at the border. I could still see my docs here in Michigan, and my poor college students would take my house for a while. It's just crazy. I feel like I live in bizzarro world right now. I have family in Windsor, Montreal and Toronto. It's been a few years since I have seen them. I used to go to Canada with my boyfriend to buy Molson 5.0 beer when I was young, and I would meet up with my cousins and just have such a nice time.
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u/Church_of_Realism Ferndale Feb 16 '25
Molson Bradors at Don Cherry's, Windsor Music Cafe and the fights after hours, LoL.
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u/TokyoTurtle0 Feb 15 '25
The hottest market for the last 20 years is Vancouver. We will not be moving to Michigan. But we'd love if you joined us and youre welcome to move here :)
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u/happytrel Age: > 10 Years Feb 15 '25
But the housing market is always regional. What are you close to, who is selling, etc. The regional Michigan housing market will be the same whether or not we're Canada.
Absolutely correct me if I'm wrong
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u/CabinetSpider21 Brighton Feb 15 '25
It's more of their mortgage system, they are 25 year mortgages but the rate is NOT locked, it changes every 5 years on the new rate
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u/owossome Feb 16 '25
For anyone wondering what would be needed for this to happen...
Let me walk through this hypothetical scenario step by step:
Constitutionally, there is no specific established mechanism for a U.S. state to unilaterally secede to another country, but given the new interpretation of the constitution and its application under the current administration, there is now a potential open window.
The process would require several major steps:
Congressional Approval: Both houses of Congress would need to pass legislation approving Michigan's secession and transfer to Canada.
Constitutional Amendment: Since state borders and territory are constitutionally protected, a constitutional amendment would likely be required. This needs:
- Two-thirds approval in both houses of Congress
- Ratification by three-fourths of state legislatures (38 states)
Canadian Acceptance: Canada would need to:
- Agree to accept Michigan as a province
- Pass necessary legislation through Parliament
- Potentially amend their constitution to accommodate a new province
Michigan State Action:
- State legislature approval
- Likely a state referendum
- Negotiations on state debt, federal property, and infrastructure
International Treaties:
- New border agreements
- Revisions to USMCA (formerly NAFTA)
- Military/defense arrangements
- Great Lakes management treaties
Practical Considerations:
- Currency transition
- Citizenship status of Michigan residents
- Federal property transfer
- Military base realignment
- Social Security and federal benefit transitions
- Great Lakes water rights renegotiation
This scenario is largely theoretical, as no U.S. state has successfully seceded since the Civil War, and Supreme Court precedent. Texas did make an attempt (Texas v. White, 1869) but failed as they had no allies, they were seeking independence and the law established that independent state secession is unconstitutional.
Being purchased however is a well established route of transfer. In 1867, the United States purchased Alaska from Russia for $7.2 million, or roughly 2 cents per acre. The deal, negotiated by Secretary of State Wiliam H. Seward and Russian minister Edouard de Stoeckl, was controversial and dubbed "Seward's Folly".Ā The purchase added 586,412 square miles of land to the United States, more than double the size of Texas, and secured American access to the Pacific Ocean.Ā
A purchase of Michigan by Canada would face significantly less constitutional and legal hurdles, but would require a great deal of coordination:
- U.S. Constitutional Requirements:
- Congressional approval through both houses
- Constitutional amendment likely required since it involves ceding U.S. territory
- Supreme Court review probable
Federal government would need to negotiate on behalf of the U.S.
Negotiation Elements:
Purchase price determination
Federal assets valuation (military bases, postal facilities, federal buildings)
Treatment of federal debt obligations
Great Lakes rights and water management
Infrastructure ownership transfer
Natural resource rights
State-Level Process:
Michigan state legislature approval
State referendum likely required
Negotiation of state assets and debts
Public employee pension obligations
State property transfer arrangements
Canadian Requirements:
Parliamentary approval
Provincial reorganization legislation
Constitutional provisions for new province
Budget allocation for purchase
Integration planning
Citizenship Considerations:
Options for Michigan residents (dual citizenship possibilities)
Immigration/naturalization process
Property rights preservation
Business entity transitions
International Agreements:
Border treaty modifications
Trade agreement adjustments
Defense arrangements
Environmental protection treaties
Great Lakes management
Economic/Financial:
Currency transition planning
Banking system integration
Tax system harmonization
Public debt responsibility
Property deed transfers
This type of territorial purchase, has a historical precedent like the Alaska Purchase.
There's no direct historical comparison for this type of purchase between two developed nations in the modern era but it could be done. The U.S. has purchased territories fairly recently as countries go (Alaska from Russia, Louisiana from France), the sale of an existing state would not be unprecedented.
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u/ah_kooky_kat Feb 16 '25
I mean I already know the anthem from all the hockey games I watched as a kid.
So let's go, eh!!
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u/whimsical36 Feb 15 '25
I wish Canada would take us and remove us from this Hunger Games existence in the states.
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u/FreddieInRetrograde Feb 16 '25
As a Canadian, Michigan is already an honourary province, well gladly take you and the west coast and Minnesota, sorry, they talk like Winnipeggers, gotta welcome them. Wisconsin can come too if they concede Quebec is where the good cheese comes from
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u/fluffydreamstuff Feb 16 '25
I'm from Michigan and I'd love to join Canada
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u/realcommovet Feb 16 '25
Sign me up. As a michigander there's already multiple Canadian coins in my pocket on any given day.
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u/SweezyPeebles Feb 16 '25
As a Canadian, it is well known in some circles, that Michigan and Minnesota are honorary Canadians whenever they want to be. Maine too.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_CATS_PAWS Feb 16 '25
Politics aside, I think this would actually be a net gain for both Canada and Michigan.
Now build me some sexy high speed rail from GR to Detroit to Toronto and suddenly Canadians in Ontario have an easy summer destination on Lake Michigan.
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u/Hands-for-maps Feb 15 '25
This wouldāve saved me 10k in medical bills last year. (With insurance)
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u/coldbrewedsunshine Feb 15 '25
we promise not to bother you, canada: weāll stay where we are, weāll pay taxes, and we will defend the southern border. hell, we can build a wall. k?
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u/jcrespo21 Ann Arbor Feb 15 '25
Indiana and Ohio never send their best. #BuildTheMichiganWall
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u/Mahaloth Feb 15 '25
I'm not sure I'm kind enough to be Canadian, but I'll work on it!
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u/Keith5385 Feb 15 '25
EH were surrounded by Ontario anyway and our Hockey's better so we'd fit right in - Plus we have Beer !
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u/Ok-Reality-9197 Dearborn Feb 15 '25
Boooo. I'll be the contrarian and say that Michigan should be completely independent from either country. We shall become the "Sovereign Hand"
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u/ArcherBTW Owosso Feb 15 '25
Sounds like a bad idea but God that's a badass name. Is this what nationalism feels like?
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u/pheakelmatters Feb 15 '25
Canadian here. Sovereignty from the United States is a fantastic feeling. 9/10 would recommend. We can have free trade and we'll always, always stick to our treaties. Vive le Michigan, libre!
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u/Iggy-flaps Feb 15 '25
Michigander here.
I'm oddly OK with this.
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u/WillartforfoodMI Feb 15 '25
Michigan actual Republican here and Iām increasingly okay with this. Iām over everything about this administration and its supporters.
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u/BananaBunchess Feb 16 '25
Hey man thanks for realizing that. I don't agree with Rs on everything but I hope we can come together to keep our state the best in the union. Go Green! š
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u/YooperExtraordinaire Feb 15 '25
Iām used to being from Canada. As in, āarenāt you fromā¦!?!ā
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u/ozadzen Feb 15 '25
Man it would suck if I didnāt have to pay this 8000 dollar deductible for surgery I just had. Please someone think of Elon!
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u/galacticalmess Dearborn Feb 15 '25
I hope Canada likes an abundance of Middle Eastern cuisine!
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u/SenoraIsl Feb 15 '25
You obviously haven't been to Canada lately. There are some Middle Eastern Poutines. Kofta Dogs anyone???
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u/Queen-Marla Feb 15 '25
All for this, but let me relocate back there first so my company canāt fire me for being āoutside the US.ā
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u/ImpactThunder Feb 16 '25
Canadian here: didnāt Michigan just vote for trump?
I am sure Michigan is great but I donāt think we want a majority of trump voters joining Canadaā¦
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u/sticky3004 Feb 16 '25
Michigan is one of the true swing states. I don't think we're any more conservative than alberta. We've got a fantastic democrat governor.
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u/l_eatherface Feb 16 '25
Can we add the west coast? I hate this country and wanna not be American right now
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u/Space_Pope2112 Feb 16 '25
I was in the US Army and I would re-enlist to join the Canadian military if they save us lol
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u/Afraid_Scientist_295 Feb 16 '25
You think your complaining about prices of goods and medical now ? Lol go ahead get a taste of being Canada š¤£
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u/Kagath Feb 16 '25
Free Healthcare? Yes, please.
I'd even be willing to learn your anthem and endure those crazy bags of milk!
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u/Tyler_Moran Feb 15 '25
Hey if it makes it so we can have a boarder wall against Ohio I'm OK with this.