r/MurderedByWords Jan 31 '25

#1 Murder of Week Your response is concerning, Bobby!

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u/No_Atmosphere8146 Jan 31 '25

Gore 2000 and Bernie 2016. Two decisions that split the timeline massively and we're on the wrong one.

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u/cathedral68 Jan 31 '25

God can you imagine if Gore had won that long ago? Our trajectory would be so, so different 😒

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u/Similar_Vacation6146 Jan 31 '25

Gore did win.

Al Gore, not George Bush, should be sitting in the White House today as the newly elected president of the United States, two new independent probes of the disputedΒ FloridaΒ election contest have confirmed.

The first survey, conducted on behalf of the Washington Post, shows that Mr Gore had a nearly three-to-one majority among 56,000 Florida voters whose November 7 ballot papers were discounted because they contained more than one punched hole.

The second and separate survey, conducted on behalf of the Palm Beach Post, shows that Mr Gore had a majority of 682 votes among the discounted "dimpled" ballots in Palm Beach county.

In each case, if the newly examined votes had been allowed to count in the November election, Mr Gore would have won Florida's 21 electoral college votes by a narrow majority and he, not Mr Bush, would be the president. Instead, Mr Bush officially carried Florida by 537 votes after recounts were stopped.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

A year later, in November 2001, the National Opinion Research Center at the University of Chicago announced theΒ resultsΒ of an examination of all 170,000 undervotes and overvotes.

NORCΒ foundΒ that with a full statewide hand recount, Gore would have won Florida under every possible vote standard. Depending on which standard was used, his margin of victory would have varied from 60 to 171 votes.

The recount was paid for by a consortium of news outlets β€” CNN, the New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Tribune Company, the Washington Post, the Associated Press, the St. Petersburg Times, and the Palm Beach Post. But this was just two months after the September 11 terrorist attacks. The outlets patriotically buried the blockbuster news that George W. Bush was not the legitimate president of the United States.

https://theintercept.com/2018/11/10/democrats-should-remember-al-gore-won-florida-in-2000-but-lost-the-presidency-with-a-preemptive-surrender/

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u/FdauditingGbro Feb 01 '25

So republicans have been stealing elections since bush is what I’m taking away here…

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u/Trollin4Lyfe Feb 01 '25

Only the ones that they won.

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u/LilyOLady Feb 02 '25

Well, there was the time that Nixonβ€˜s people torpedoed the Paris Peace Talks, swinging the election from Humphrey to Nixon. And the time Reagan’s people interfered with the American hostage negotiations with Iran. As soon as Reagan became president the hostages were released, so obviously the negotiations were done before he was president.

So yeah, lots of cheating by the GOP.

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u/Ori0ns Feb 04 '25

Dimpled chads!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 01 '25

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

Election was certified. Are you denying the legitimacy of the election? Typical dems denying elections since the turn of the century

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u/Similar_Vacation6146 Feb 01 '25

Yes. I think the person who wins the election by votesβ€”and not political and legal maneuveringβ€”is the one who wins an election. Crazy concept. Not a dem btw, but I'm sure that won't stop you from whining about it.

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

So you are denying the certified results of a legitimate election? Sounds exactly what people like to pin on MAGA

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u/Cyp_Quoi_Rien_ Feb 01 '25

Except he just showed you proof dummy, while MAGA didn't have any and were just like "I feel like more people like Trump than Biden so there is no way he lost".

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

Election was certified so its still election denial. Cope harder

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u/PHD_Memer Feb 01 '25

Buddy has no fuckin idea what the difference between certified election and free and fair election means

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

The cope is unreal at this point. 2000 2016 and 2024 and still they have the gall to call others election deniers

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u/ExplodiaNaxos Feb 01 '25

You don’t seem to grasp the concept of β€œproof”…

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

Was the election certified or not? Would denying the result of the election certification constitute election denial or not?

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u/ExplodiaNaxos Feb 01 '25

Proof shows Gore won.

Proof shows Trump didn’t win in 2020.

This isn’t the gotcha moment you think it is.

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u/Similar_Vacation6146 Feb 01 '25

Which is why he can't shut up about certification, as if a symbolic act and not the thing that constitutes it is what matters.

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u/Big-Opposite8889 Feb 01 '25

Denying the results of the election and its subsequent certification is election denial be it Gore or Trump

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u/King_Bacon747 Jan 31 '25

At least we had Obama

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u/buntopolis Jan 31 '25

I don’t believe 9/11 would have happened. Clinton Admin was already hunting Osama bin Laden. Bush Admin were caught with their pants down.

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u/Possible-Ad-2891 Feb 01 '25

He did win. He should have forced the recount through and claimed the court lacked the jurisdiction to rule on it thanks to a conflict of interest.

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u/CompEconomist Feb 01 '25

Or had Clinton actually taken Bin Laden when advised to.

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u/Bedfordmytrue Feb 01 '25

Ooh do tell!

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u/Cool-Importance6004 Feb 01 '25

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u/MuchGold89 Jan 31 '25

I don't know how anyone saw that election, you know, where it was "so close" and was decided by Florida (who was being governed by Bush's brother) and thought "yeah this election wasn't rigged at all."

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u/Cutthechitchata-hole Jan 31 '25

Meditate and you may be able to glimpse what could have been. Maybe you can will yourself into that reality and try to drag us in there with you. Or do shrooms and be OK while the world burns around us all

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u/UAVTarik Jan 31 '25

jesse what the fuck are you talking about

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u/cucufag Jan 31 '25

As someone who has done shrooms, I read the first sentence and recognized shroom speak. Then their last sentence confirmed it, LOL

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u/Cutthechitchata-hole Jan 31 '25

"Shroom speak" a language older than language

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u/queen-of-storms Jan 31 '25

First sentence instantly pinged in my brain too haha

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u/mcpickle-o Jan 31 '25

Drugs. That's it. Just drugs

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u/Fit_Ice7617 Jan 31 '25

you sound like a man that has a castle at a great elevation

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u/RockyClub Jan 31 '25

Dude, same. So sad he lost, twice. I’ll always proudly say I voted for him two times.

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u/AvianTheAssassin Feb 01 '25

Then Gore would’ve likely had to deal with 9/11… I don’t wish for anyone to deal with that

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u/No_Atmosphere8146 Feb 01 '25

I'm sure a million dead Iraqis would've preferred Gore.

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u/peritonlogon Jan 31 '25

I mourn for the timeline where constant timeline references on Reddit were put to rest.