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u/Hutch25 23h ago
Also Canada has systems in place ensuring government control over multiple major agricultural and livestock farming markets including eggs, milk, and select crops that ensure prices remain at a steady rate and the markets can’t be flooded with way too much of something through the use of quotas.
So not only does Canada not want America’s stuff, regulations state Canada literally cannot take most of it which keeps us from having problems like the USAs way over abundance of corn.
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u/Newfster 18h ago
And for some strange reason, protection of our food supply is now a national security issue as well.
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u/FrostyProspector 16h ago
What's funny is that most of those protections came out of depression and dustbowl lessons and are in place to protect our farms from exactly what the USA is trying to do... flood the market and break our backs.
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u/CommissarAJ 20h ago
Supply side management has its problems, but times like these I am reminded of the Jamaican dairy industry...
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u/Doumtabarnack 18h ago
I'm not familiar with the Jamaican milk industry? What's the problem?
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u/CommissarAJ 18h ago
The problem is there isn't one anymore, at least not in any meaningful way.
Way back, Jamaica had to remove tariffs on imported dairy products as part of an IMF loan agreement. This resulted in the market being flooded with vastly cheaper American powdered milk, which not only being cheaper was much easier to store for a nation where many still lacked refrigerators.
As a result, the local dairy industry collapsed, and the nation is now dependent on foreign import for milk products.
US dairy is heavily subsidized and produce far more than they can sell, which is why they are always harping on us for our import quotas even back to the Obama administration.
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u/Apprehensive-Bag6697 22h ago
And we don’t want their Chlorine Chicken or washed eggs in Europe.
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u/ohthisistoohard 14h ago
Fun fact and one of the nice things about the EU.
To trade food with the EU you need to meet EU hygiene standards. With chicken production this comes down to stocking density and animal welfare. Here in Europe we think we can manage campylobacter and salmonella through good animal welfare. The US they don’t and bleach eggs and chicken to manage the same thing.
A great example of why our system works is the current bird flu situation. Over here it is present but managed - chicken and egg prices not really affected.
USA 70 human cases so far and egg prices that make your eyes water.
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u/Apprehensive-Bag6697 14h ago
EU regulations have a reason.😅 That’s why I like them. Almost all of them 😂
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u/SparkyMonkeyPerthish 22h ago
Why would Australia want to import American beef? We make more than we need for domestic supply and sell the rest overseas…. Plus the quality of the American product isn’t even high enough to be used for pet food let alone human consumption
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u/twaxana 19h ago edited 19h ago
I used to be a butcher in a small butcher shop... the best beef we got was Australian. Cheers.
(I'm American)
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u/Jumanji0028 19h ago
Thems fighting words. Irish beef is by far the superior and I'll 1v1 any aussie in cod to prove it.
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u/Ijustdoeyes 18h ago
Is there any Irish Wagyu?
Because Australian Wagyu is pretty fucking delicious
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u/significantrisk 16h ago
Not sure about straight wagyu but there is definitely at least one herd of wagyu cross cows with easy retail availability and that meat is pretty epic.
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u/NoVaBurgher 18h ago
You already have the best butter in the world. Now you want the best beef? Sheesh….
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u/Herman_E_Danger 15h ago
Irish butter truly is amazing. It really stands out on things like toast or muffins.
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u/NoVaBurgher 15h ago
Oh absolutely. This may seem like sacrilege to my great great great ancestors in County Kerry, but Irish butter on an English muffin is perfection
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u/dundunitagn 16h ago
Dexter beef, I did not fully believe it but the breeds from the British isles do provide a lovely carcass. Yiu may wish to consider the Aussies have spent a lot of time working on their stock and now produce a1 Kobe. That is a tall.bar to clear.
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u/Jumanji0028 16h ago
I'll 1v1 you for calling it the British Isles lol. I'm sure the aussie beef is great but Irish beef is so good I don't see the need to buy imported. Besides your beef is upside down and that is confusing.
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u/dundunitagn 11h ago
I'm a yank and apologies for the slight. I meant nothing more than the shared heritage of Dexter, Guernsey etc.. fine stock that produce wonderful meat and dairy goods. I wish we had the standards y'all enjoy. Looking at your butcher counters vs. our grocers is depressing.
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u/grumblesmurf 19h ago
As do most of the world. But hey, the premise of exporting more american goods after this tariff disaster was a blatant lie to begin with, I now believe crashing the economy is as intentional as Putin sending drones into Ukraine and "accidentally" hitting hospitals, nurseries, schools and power stations.
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u/DeeeLiteIsInTheHeart 19h ago edited 18h ago
As a French, I confirm that we do not want american processed food, full of hormones, chemicals, corn sugar, or other weird stuff. We value food safety and health.
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u/Masterleviinari 19h ago
I want to come back to Europe so bad. The standards are horrible in the US.
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u/herbieLmao 22h ago
American food and drinks are notoriously oversugared and filled with chemicals. Give them sparkling water and they lose their mind.
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u/Palabrewtis 17h ago
Losing your mind is a bit much, but I do dislike sparkling water. Carbonated drinks in general, but water especially. Normal still water or tea ty.
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u/jakedublin 19h ago
for as long as you have no standards at all (and are actively dismantling the few agencies that are meant to keep tabs on the standards and the environment), we won't eat your meat.
even if it becomes available: we won't eat it. just Google ingredients labels of like for like products, like (X brand) ketchup (as sold in usa) and same (X brand) ketchup (as sold in for example germany) and you get the idea.
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anyways, no wonder that 'spray cheese' is an American invention.
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u/minahmyu 19h ago
People should really learn how other countries regulations are so much better in place than the states. I mean, every industry due to capitalism is corrupted and profit is more important than life. Soooo much shit is allowed, but the states have the nerve to shit on countries they perceive as "3rd world."
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u/ExtremeKitteh 19h ago
America seems to think that it has the right to reprogram the rest of the world’s minds. Guess what?
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u/dundunitagn 16h ago
Not exactly, a vocal.and onlbnoxious minority tend to make international headlines. Most of us wish we could get standards closer to the rest of the world in place but... crony capitalism.
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u/ExtremeKitteh 5h ago edited 5h ago
Except that the government has been doing so for decades
Of course I don’t mean that all Americans are that way (I have mates there too) but I just wish that they’d stay out of other peoples business.
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u/rayjaymor85 16h ago
As an Australian, it's not even the growth hormones.
Australia has never had Mad Cow Disease. Ever.
We haven't had Foot and Mouth Disease in over a century.
Our isolation from other agricultural lands gives us a huge protection for our food production.
It's not just American Beef we ban here, we ban almost any fresh produce that isn't scrutinized like a red headed step child.
You'll know what I mean if you catch a plane here and hear the biosecurity warning. We're almost sterner with that than we are about importing drugs.
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u/flufflogic 19h ago
Yeah, uh, sorry my dude, but we have these things called "food standards". It's why we don't all have bottles of Gaviscon, Pepto Bismol or Tums everywhere.
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u/unematti 19h ago
I wanted to visit friends in the US, then the whole society seems to collapse, and I'm trans so... Not really safe anymore...
Now I think even if I went... I should not eat anything there...
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u/nobody_815 17h ago
Do you guys think that if we start a conspiracy about how hormones in meat make everyone trans they gonna forbit them, you know fighting dumb with dumb?
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u/Herman_E_Danger 15h ago
Thats actually really good thinking. I've been trying to think of some useful misinformation to target the idiots with.
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u/VirtualKiller101 19h ago
The US produces a lot of shit sub-par produce that they themselves think is fine to consume. It's quite telling how out of touch this entire administration is when they presume we'd want to buy their crap beef, chlorinated chicken and bleached eggs.
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u/OtherworldlyCyclist 18h ago
When I worked at restaurants in Canada, we'd lose access to American romaine lettuce for a week or two now and again due to an E.coli contamination. We'd be told that the irrigation water used for the lettuce was unsafe and would have to source elsewhere. Yikes.
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u/VirtualKiller101 17h ago
My partner stayed in the US for a few months for work and he'd go shopping and video call me while prepping his food to chat and catch up. He'd hold up a chicken breast and they were easily twice the size of ours, but the amount he'd have to trim and cut off or just throw away complete breasts was alot, couple of times he'd say "what's this" and it was clearly a huge cist in the breast. Gross.
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u/leeverpool 18h ago
Those pesky Europeans wanting to eat healthy. What's wrong with our 46% obesity rate, 32% food poisoning rate and higher cancer rate as a result of unregulated foods?
That's freedom babyyyyyyyyy
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u/genghiskhan_1 16h ago
This mf goes from network to network and show to show spewing absolutely nonsense to appease the baboon. That seems to be his entire job.
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u/ranthalas 16h ago
You just defined politics here in the good ole us of a.
Edit: us of a not us of s
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u/wanderingmanimal 16h ago
? I mean, all the beef in the stores that I’ve been to do not have growth hormones or anti-biotics and that is listed on the packaging. Are we trying to export hormone laden beef or something?
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u/Gossamare 16h ago
See unlike the rest of the world who stands on principles, the US just sits on them - standing is too much work for them.
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u/ChickenCasagrande 14h ago
Ah America, we figured out how to make the food cows HUGE! Just pump them full of hormones and chemicals to make their bodies grow!
And then we wonder why the kids who eat the enhanced cows are also becoming huge.
But the profits? Those were huge too, and that was deemed Most Important.
Anyways, if you’re in the US, try to stick to grass-fed beef.
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u/Raegnarr 13h ago
It's true in Canada for many dairy and meat products the US wants to sell here. The deregulation and lapse food safety laws make a lot of these fresh food products ineligible for sale in Canada.
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u/Locke15 18h ago
Anyone else starting to think that the Make America Healthy Again movement is more so the Make America Healthy Again relative to other countries by shipping our shit diet abroad?
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u/piglette12 16h ago
Nah…. Force / Offload more of their crap meat to us, so the Americans will have capacity consume the higher quality imported meat instead ! 🧠🤨
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u/Escanor_Morph18 15h ago
Are the artificial growth hormones mentioned in the post used in the everyday foods of the US? Why would they even use them in the first place?
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u/Ghettofonzie420 15h ago
Anyone have a source for beef seeds? It's almost planting season where I am.
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u/imabigdave 14h ago
Except that artificial hormones are prohibited in.poultry...so that "reason" is just propagating a lie. And I used the term "artificial" because all animals have naturally-occurring hormones that are produced by their own bodies to regulate their metabolic functions, so "hormones-free" is a misnomer.
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u/harga24864 11h ago
Independent from growth hormones used by US cattle ranchers (yuck!)…why should i pay for for a good steak that had to be shipped around the globe when i have at least the same quality meat sourced locally? I mean the US is all about capitalism, if there is no market…why complaining about it?
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u/Patient_Internal_977 11h ago
Chicken in American grocery stores is fucking weiiiiiiiird (love from England)
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u/AngusAlThor 7h ago
One of Australia's major exports is beef, which we primarily sell to the US. So... why would we buy theirs?
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u/Icy_Platform2777 6h ago
You think all this is bad, lookup meat glue.i just stopped eating American beef chicken an pork. I stick to Australian beef. How the hell is all this garbage food allowed, chemicals in everything no nutritional value, and then we get mad because Korea Japan, Europe, and Brazil refuse our meat. Probably why, as a country, we're so ignorant, empty garbage calories killing everything in our bodies.
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u/annakarenina66 6h ago
this guy has disappointed me. he sold himself as a hero and a victim after 9/11 and it turns out he's a complete bellend
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u/BobMazing 35m ago
The Americans can keep this waste! That's why we have regulations in Europe to prevent such rubbish!
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u/Proper-Shan-Like 9h ago
Trading Standards raided sweet shops selling American sweets where I live and seized a significant quantity of products with banned additives in them. Keep your shite out of our diets.
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u/Cranialscrewtop 19h ago
US poultry do not receive hormones if any kind. In fact, the USDA has banned all hormones and steroids in poultry since the 1950s. No hormones or steroids are approved by the US Food and Drug Administration for use in poultry, and doing so via the water, feed or injection is specifically prohibited by law.
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u/Baulderdash77 16h ago
How about chlorine added because the chickens are raised in unhygienic conditions?
The comment was however about beef. So that was a nice straw-man attempt.
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u/tobasc0cat 16h ago
I'm not familiar with the chlorine thing, I'm assuming it has to do with salmonella? Salmonella is natively found associated with birds and reptiles so even in hygienic conditions it can appear. Plus, chlorine/bleach is highly volatile, it dissipates out of solution fairly quickly (which is why a bottle of bleach doesn't last forever). Anyway, I don't think their statement was a straw man since the portion of the post that "murdered with words" was the response about chickens. Poultry farming has plenty of issues in the US without lying and fear mongering about hormones. Parroting simply incorrect information will make anyone educated in the topic immediately dismiss your opinion, so why not be informed?
If you are interested in beef, there are two hormones allowed in US beef production: an estrogen implant for steers, and recombinant bovine somatotropin (rBST) in dairy cows. The circulating estrogen in implanted steers is still lower than levels in female cattle, so the meat shouldn't be a concern. Only dairy cows are given rBST because it functions by squeezing more milk out of a treated cow; iirc, you get the same amount of milk from 3 rBST treated cows that you can get from 4 non-treated cows. It reduces the carbon footprint for the same production value, and gives smaller dairies a way to keep up with a smaller herd. Additionally, rBST is bovine specific, and doesn't react with human receptors. The campaign against rBST has been headed by massive corporations that can afford bigger herds and realized they can cut competition by relying on uninformed consumers taking their word for how bad these hormones are. Just like "antibiotic-free" labels; those are duping customers because ALL meat is antibiotic free by law.
Now, with the dismantling of the government and whatever is going to happen to the USDA...... My information may become outdated.
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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 21h ago edited 16h ago
Almost all animal agriculture globally adds some sort of nonsense in to the animal feed.
Milk is also a literal growth hormone.
Imagine downvoting me because you got your feelings hurt about eating meat.
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u/significantrisk 21h ago
Our farmers mostly add grass.
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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 16h ago
Our farmers don't have time. THey're too busy crying in London about their multi-million pound estate.
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u/significantrisk 16h ago
More of that Brexit benefit you voted for, not having to meet our European expectations around food and farming 👍
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u/Corfe-Castle 21h ago
Thanks I think most of us would rather have animals grown with this strange growth hormone called milk
Not other weird shit
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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 21h ago
But you’ll also drink that same milk 🤡
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u/Corfe-Castle 21h ago
Oh yes I love cow juice
As long as it’s come from cows that have only been fattened up with the stuff
I also eat butter, cream and cheese made from the the milk
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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 16h ago
So you're currently willingly consuming cow growth hormones. Congrats!
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u/Corfe-Castle 13h ago
Yep I’m lucky enough not to be lactose intolerant so o don’t need to be drinking soy/oat milk or stuff they’ve milked from nuts
I leave that to health freaks like you
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u/fcfcfcfcfcfcfc 13h ago
Calling people who drink plant milk “health freaks” implies you know that milk isn’t healthy, so that’s a start.
No other species on this planet drinks another species milk let alone active impregnates them to get it 😂 it’s fucking laughable when you think about. Cows milk is supposed to make a calf grow, not a fully grown adult human 🤡
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u/Corfe-Castle 12h ago
No I only call them health freaks in a derogatory way if they denigrate the consumption of cow milk
I’m sure you’ve milked many a nut, but then you also best be eating only ancient grains and not modern cultivated fruits and veg
Since they aren’t naturally occurring
Same with the hormone beef and antibiotic chicken
Totally basic diet, right?
Because otherwise you’d be coming off as a bit of a hypocrite
Now you run along and preach to someone who cares about your cow juice obsession
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u/De_chook 20h ago
We have a regulatory systems that cares for our end users. Maybe that's why our life expectancy is mid 80s and increasing, and the USA is in the 70s and decreasing.
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u/piglette12 22h ago
I'm Australian. I like living in a country with very high biosecurity standards and high food standards. I do not understand why on earth the government of another country thinks they have any right whatsoever to complain about or influence our domestic laws. The US is free to decide they don't want to import certain things from certain countries, and so should be everybody else. Besides, we have a tiny population that is less than 10% of the US population - and we produce pretty much enough to feed ourselves - why should we be forced to buy their inferior beef? Should we just throw it away because we don't really have that many mouths to feed? Or should we agree to kill off our own cattle related businesses and industries so that we can import more beef? Why is it unfair that we won't do any of the above?
Apparently the pharma industry in the US has been whinging to the administration that we have barriers to them trading here in the way that they would like i.e. making more profits to the detriment of affordable health care. What gives them ANY right to complain that another country's policy of affordable medication and health care is stopping them from making more profits???!!!!! Are they not profitable enough, and really need poorer Australians to die a preventable death for more shareholder returns? (I know it's more complex than that but the principle stands.)