r/MurderedByWords 13h ago

I couldn’t help myself [OC]

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u/DmAc724 13h ago

Kinda telling when someone like Val Kilmer who was fairly faithful to his Christian Scientist upbringing/teachings/beliefs went against those and got the help medical science could provide.

If beating cancer “naturally” were a possibility the medical treatments that have been developed over decades wouldn’t have been.

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u/VdubKid_94 13h ago

Fuck. She blocked me before I could copy and paste your last statement(which is brilliant). But she responded saying “there’s thousands of comments on the original post, and I don’t see how you can find this funny”

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u/The_Salacious_Zaand 11h ago

Just as telling when one of the wealthiest people in human history - Steve Jobs - though he could treat his cancer with vegetables and meditation, and see where that got him.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 10h ago

That’s…not fair. He delayed the surgery a year after diagnosis. So he still had surgery (twice).

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u/The_Salacious_Zaand 9h ago

Yeah, after he realized his alternative medicine was doing nothing and his cancer was rapidly metastasising. But by then, it was too late.

This is why "alternative medicine" and other woo-woo quackery is so dangerous.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 8h ago

Still, unfair and not correct.

The cancer in his pancreas was gone with the surgery but it came back years later in his liver. He had didn’t delay a second time and had a liver transplant. Two years later, he died.

Not sure how that ties into woo-woo quackery… you just don’t like alternative medicine and used a bad example.

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u/Professional-Dog6981 2h ago

It metastasized to his liver. The cancer cells were already during his "natural" treatment.

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u/AtariXL 7h ago

Giving cancer an extra year to grow and spread throughout your body is insane.

I had the same type of rare cancer Steve Jobs did and was on the table within a week of finding it. And this was right as covid first hit the US and was on a killing spree.

I enjoy telling people I'm smarter than Steve Jobs.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 6h ago

So by this logic, anyone who dies from cancer is just less intelligent than those who survive? That’s… an interesting worldview

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u/whiskey_epsilon 6h ago

You're using logic incorrectly. People who refuse lifesaving medical treatment for alternative quackery = dumb, doesn't include everyone who died from cancer.

Your "logic" is this:

I say people who drive irresponsibly are irresponsible. People who drive irresponsibility get into car accidents. By your logic, everyone who has ever been involved in a car accident must therefore have been irresponsible.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 5h ago

Nobody was defending Steve Jobs’ medical choices. The comment was pointing out how ridiculous it is to use survival as a measure of intelligence.

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u/whiskey_epsilon 3h ago edited 3h ago

They weren't using survival as a measure, they were using their decision-making, which resulted in a better outcome, as a measure of being smarter. It's reasonable to say that better decision-making can reflect better cognitive proceses. Survival just happens to be the outcome in question for this scenario. You've gone and extrapolated incorrectly to include every cancer case. Please refer to my car accident analogy.

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u/AtariXL 5h ago

That's insane. Did I say any of that nonsense? No.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 5h ago

Naw you just enjoy telling ppl you’re smarter than a dead guy lol which isn’t really the flex you think it is

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u/AtariXL 5h ago

Your expertise in interpreting other people's intentions is impressive.

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u/yesiknowimsexy 5h ago

Huh?

I enjoy telling people I’m starter than Steve Jobs.

Idk. I didn’t really have to interpret much. But go off

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u/AtariXL 5h ago

Interpreting that as a literal statement is as bonkers as your other "conclusions". Holy balls.

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u/Dpek1234 5h ago

If beating cancer “naturally” were a possibility

Technicaly it is , the cancer people get is the cancer their body fails to kill . If it's detectable then the body has failed to kill it

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u/Fexofanatic 12h ago

sure you beat cancer naturally: through natural human ingenuity and curiosity aand their love child, applied natural sciences

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u/bopeepsheep 12h ago

I have religious family members, who included me in their prayers. And those prayers also included my surgeons, who were "provided by God" if you believe, and the NHS if you don't.

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u/VdubKid_94 12h ago

That’s the same as saying “god saved me” in a car accident. Not hundreds of engineers, decades of crash testing, and the government agencies that ensure they’re safe to a certain standard.

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u/bopeepsheep 12h ago

It's the "I sent you a helicopter, a boat, and a kayak, what more do you need?" style of God, though. If you want to think God's helping (not for me) then at least thinking God sent doctors is acknowledging human abilities. Whatever made them happy was OK with me.

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u/Ftank55 12h ago

I naturally asked the best people how to best beat and recover from the disease. Now, I naturally try and support my family while pursuing our goals, and hearing those kids giggle naturally validates my decision.

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u/BagStank 12h ago

You know why they call it alternative medicine? Cause if it worked, it would be called medicine.

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u/MaySeemelater 12h ago

Yep, the alternative to medicine is often death

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u/dogbolter4 11h ago

Tim Minchin, 'Storm'

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u/iggy14750 12h ago

I beat cancer the old-fashioned way: surgery and chemo. Testing clean since 2018.

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u/dogbolter4 11h ago

Glad to hear it.

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u/Goodbye11035Karma 12h ago

Acquaintance when I told them I had cancer for the second time: You should look into essential oils and cleaning up your diet before you agree to chemo.

Me: No thanks. I'd like to live.

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u/thetburg 12h ago

They had cancer and did not treat it.

Naturally, they died. The cancer also died.

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u/djseifer 10h ago

They fought cancer to a draw.

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u/Amicuses_Husband 4h ago

The cancer could theoretically survive, those cells are tough cookies.

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u/Major_R_Soul 12h ago

Our body does have an immune response that fights cancerous cells naturally, but by the time you get told you "have cancer" the body has already failed to contain the problem. So the only people beating cancer naturally are those who never technically had it to begin with.

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u/Dpek1234 5h ago

Exacly

If its detectable then the body has already failed

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u/Sensitive-Damage-628 12h ago

My best friend tried to beat it naturally. She is dead three years now. Damn, I wish I could’ve changed her mind.

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u/RTwhyNot 12h ago

Perfect. He is going to kill people

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u/VdubKid_94 12h ago

That was my reply, when they said “how is this funny” I said “I find it funny you think it’s ok to share a post, that could potentially influence someone into drinking bullshit tea. Instead of seeking life saving medical treatment…..that’s a joke”.

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u/chrstnasu 11h ago

I definitely am not taking this route. I had the tumor removed and lymph nodes checked. I will be radiation, possibly chemotherapy (slight chance I may need this), and taking hormone blockers. I’m only stage 1 and I don’t want it to progress.

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u/SafeOdd1736 12h ago

My mom ignored signs and symptoms because she was scared and hated going to the doctors. Finally her puking got so bad and she could barely crap so I took her to the hospital Sunday afternoon during the height of Covid. Well they had to call in their best surgeon because my mom was about to die. She had a hysterectomy, they removed parts of her colon, rectum and who knows what else. Was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer. She fought like hell and tried everything they asked of her. But she had a coke can sized tumor on her liver and it eventually Spread to her brain. She died less than 2 years later. Very inspiring story…. Hope it helps people get checked earlier even if they are potentially nervous about the results.

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u/mikeysce 12h ago

I can’t wait to see Steve Jobs’ response to this… :’(

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u/LadyErinoftheSwamp 12h ago

I guess death does technically beat cancer naturally.

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u/WordNERD37 11h ago

Death is a natural part of life.

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u/throwaway387190 9h ago

Nah, I beat cancer naturally

Because we are a tool using species. We evolved to make and use tools

My chemotherapy was a tool we used to fight cancer. Thus, it was natural for me/my doctors to use tools to solve my problem

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u/Anothermindlessanon 12h ago

Inspire to die slowly and painfully?

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u/technanonymous 11h ago

A small percentage of cancers go into spontaneous remission. Rolling the dice yourself is one thing. Encouraging others to follow your example is criminal.

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u/Dpek1234 5h ago

Its like surviveing a fireing squad

People have survived,  doesnt mean its not the least botched method of execution

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u/Superb_Ant_3741 9h ago

I’m a cancer patient who has had multiple cancers, including a cancer almost identical to the cancer that took Steve Jobs’ life. I’ve followed the guidance of my clinicians, combined with acupuncture and herbalism. But I’ve never been so arrogant that I believed I could survive any of my cancers without any medical intervention or care. 

I take no pleasure in the reality that Steve Jobs suffered and passed away. He could have been cured with surgery alone if he had just listened to his oncologists. But he stubbornly chose to wait an entire year, convinced that he knew more than his expert clinicians, and then the metastasis spread so far that nothing could save him: not surgery or the treatment he finally agreed to.

I think the point here is that nothing, not his wealth or his access to the most expert care in the country, could save him from his ego. And people who promote non - medical cures to vulnerable cancer patients are parasites.

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u/eliota1 8h ago

Steve Jobs would still be alive today if he hadn't disregarded his Doctor's instructions to get Chemo for a highly treatable form of Pancreatic cancer, Instead he drank wheat grass juice for 9 months, and by the time he realized it wasn't working, it was too late for the Chemo to work.

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u/-XanderCrews- 12h ago

This whole season seems to be about people that have no idea of self. With the exception of Victoria, who is the only rich character in any of the seasons that is completely self aware about what she is.

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u/SugarLuger 11h ago

Did anyone try asking Steve Jobs?

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u/worldbound0514 11h ago edited 2h ago

That's my go-to story for this kind of foolishness. Steve Jobs had more money than he could spend in a lifetime, and even he couldn't buy a cure for cancer at the end. His juicing regimen did nothing for his pancreatic cancer. He could have seen any doctor in the world same day, and he chose to go with some holistic malarkey to his own detriment.

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u/NoSkillzDad 11h ago

Maybe they can invite Steve jobs to talk about it. Oh wait...

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u/McCool303 10h ago

Has anyone asked Steve Jobs?

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u/Sockysocks2 7h ago

Funny thing is, your body does fight cancer naturally. It just does a really crappy job. It destroys most of the original cells, but ignores some which it believes are regulr cells. Said cells then start multiplying again and your body does absolutely nothing to stop it.

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u/Dpek1234 5h ago

It actualy does a pretty good job, which is the reason most people dont have several cancers by age 5, its just that it never becomes a problem so we never know about it

If cancer is anywhere near detectable by normal methods, the body has failed

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u/tenodera 3h ago

I beat appendicitis naturally! (I died)

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u/rachelface927 24m ago

I guess the person posing this question didn’t catch Apple Cider Vinegar on Netflix, or more importantly The Search for Instagram’s Worst Con Artist, the doc the series is based on, also on Netflix. Very compelling arguments against treating very serious diseases with organic fruits and coffee enemas.

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u/der_horst23 13h ago edited 11h ago

you shouldn't burn someone without any health care or who doesn't believe in modern medicine. Maybe she hasn't enough family members who could help her afterwards with deep thoughts and inspiring prayers /s just to be sure

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u/Organic-Plastic2310 12h ago

Not believing in modern medicine is like not believing in gravity.

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u/VdubKid_94 13h ago

I hope this is /s???

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u/safadimiras 12h ago

It obviously is….

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u/VdubKid_94 12h ago

I’ve made obvious comments in Reddit before without /s and was downvoted to oblivion so….you never know

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u/safadimiras 12h ago

I’ve been there! Some people….