r/MurderedByWords 14h ago

Tim Walz is not holding back

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u/Psychological_Elk104 13h ago

He’s definitely not wrong. 9 of the 10 largest point drop in history for the Dow have been under his presidency

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u/RoyalChris 13h ago

Shooting for 10/10 next week.

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u/lolzomg123 9h ago

Only needs 3 more! :D

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u/hishazelglance 9h ago

Technically it would be 10/11 at that point haha

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u/Stinja808 7h ago

dude will own all of it by the end of 2025.

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u/churst50 9h ago

He'll be getting the record

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u/aFireFartingDragon 8h ago

I wish I could say this is the first time I'm glad I've never had enough money to invest in my life... but it's not.

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u/Disco_Dreamz 10h ago

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u/SPR101ST 8h ago

Thank you for this. I can't wait to use this as a reply for people who'll say this is somehow still Biden's fault.

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u/JohnnyDarkside 7h ago

Every gain is because of him, every crash is obamabiden's fault. Even years into his term, it's still somehow someone else's fault.

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u/69LadBoi 9h ago

I mean. It is great for the rich though. No? That means they can buy even MORE because they have the financials to

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u/GlennsSonFooledMe 10h ago

I mean it's not a good stat in an economic sense, but it's still a damn good stat

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u/maver1kUS 11h ago

He also has 8 of the top 10 largest point gains. The man is king of volatility 😭

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u/redrdr1 10h ago

I've said several times that he is the most loved and most hated president of all time.

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u/Marijuana_Miler 9h ago

You need to base this stat on % change and not outright number as the value of the Dow has risen 30,000 since Obama took office and risen 20,000 since Trump’s first presidency started. By using only points gained the stat will only cover Biden and Trump’s presidency. For example the largest amount lost in a single day 2997. The Dow didn’t have a value above 3000 until Clinton’s presidency.

This does not discount how bad Trump’s policies are for the economy. My comment is say that there are better numbers to make that point.

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u/throwawaygoawaynz 7h ago

You are correct. Using real points vs percentages is misleading.

I know it, you know it, many others know it.

But many Americans are so fucking stupid they won’t know it. They don’t even understand the basics of tariffs. The only thing that seems to get through to them is memes, misleading or not.

So if this works, so be it.

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u/Negative_Ebb_9614 10h ago edited 9h ago

We really just pretending like 6/10 weren't covid related and not tied to anything trump did? I mean, I think he's a dipshit just as much as anyone, but takes like these just come across as stupid. You also need to look at this list as a % to make it meaningful, otherwise pretty much every subsequent president will also dominate the list.

ETA: These drops are notable as being the single largest drops (by %) directly and wholly caused by a President's unilateral actions. That's the damning part. But I get that doesn't read as well as a twitter burn.

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u/Westo454 9h ago

I’d argue that even the COVID related ones are his fault. He was seen as not doing enough, signing bills that weren’t enough for the scale of the problem. It should be no surprise that right after Democrats forced the issue and passed the CARES act, the DOW rebounded almost as fast as it collapsed.

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u/Negative_Ebb_9614 8h ago

Two of the best days for the S&P were in March of 2020 before CARES was passed. Whether he managed the pandemic well is an entirely different discussion. Both sides of the aisle actual got pandemic relief done quickly and unanimously. It's probably one of the only examples in the last 10 years.

The market will market and starting panicking before people were even being sent home to work remotely for the first time. The first 3 weeks of Covid had a mind boggling amount going on.

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u/90sDemocrat 9h ago

He blames everyone besides himself for issues, even ones he’s caused, so it’s okay for him to take some blame.

Trump ran the country during COVID, and he ran it right into the ground.

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u/Negative_Ebb_9614 8h ago

Find me a politician anywhere who has ever blamed themself for anything lol. We're talking about the markets, the markets recovered to pre pandemic levels before he was even out of office. I'm not attributing that to him, nor am I attributing the drops to him. Edit: Except for this one

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u/Ridiculisk1 8h ago

As if his handling of COVID was anything but abysmal. All he had to do was sit down, shut the fuck up and go "Listen to the experts" and sell little red MAGA masks for $20 and he would've sailed into a second term with no issues whatsoever and made a killing doing it. Instead he had to get up on stage and tell people to take horse dewormer and inject bleach and now millions of people are dead.

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u/rocket_dragon 10h ago

pretty much every subsequent president will also dominate the list

Only if we only keep electing weird cultish felon Republicans.

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u/Negative_Ebb_9614 9h ago

2000 point drop on the Dow is now worth half as much as a % as it would have been in 2020. So by 2035, a 2000 point drop could be worth less than 2%, aka a not so great day but nothing news worthy.

A 57 point loss in the S&P was the single worst day for that market....its math. It works the same way regardless of who is in the chair.

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u/TCsnowdream 6h ago

Trump made the Covid situation infinitely worse - and his economic polices caused the inflation we saw under the Biden administration.

So, in short, Trump is a dick.

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u/Boo_Ya_Ka_Sha_ 7h ago

I hate the guy, he’s ruined my day everyday since being voted in, but using those COVID dates is a bit bullshit and you know it

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u/PM_good_beer 7h ago

The point drop is kind of meaningless since it's inflated when compared to the past. The percentage drop is much more meaningful.

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u/jaqueslouisbyrne 9h ago

Hmmm I wonder why there was a massive economic downturn in March 2020. Whatever it was, it was definitely Trump’s fault. 

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u/Psychological_Elk104 8h ago

Trump 2.0 has been in office for 74 days. I’m pretty confident he will push all those March 2020 out of the top 10 before mid-terms

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u/CopiumHits 10h ago edited 8h ago

Reddit is going to hate me for this, and I am not a Trump supporter, but Trump is one of the top presidents since WW2 in market performance.

Just stating the facts. Yes he has had massive drops, but the overall market performance under his presidency exceeds almost all (including Biden) since the 40’s.

Edit: Just pointing out another FACT here - all the downvotes prove all of the liberals of Reddit cant do simple research on the subject, and only upvote claims that fit their agenda.

I provided a source. Don’t believe me? Go ahead and ask an open source AI to do the research for you small brained individuals.

Again, i didn’t vote for trump and think he has zero brain cells, but I provided facts.

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u/_UnSaKReD_ 9h ago

Can you provide a source, please?

Genuinely curious.

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u/trevorstott 9h ago

Just a quick google search disproves this, both Obama and Clinton saw higher returns (per term) than Trump during his term.

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u/CopiumHits 9h ago

If you did a quick unbiased google search, you’d find the answer I highlighted in my other comment. But of course, Reddit is incapable of that.

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u/Fabulous_girl2 8h ago

Complete nonsense

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u/CopiumHits 8h ago

Great since you are here, looking to have an educated conversation that clearly the rest of the Reddit neanderthals don’t want to have.

I posted the requested source. Please respond to that.