r/MurderedByWords Mar 14 '21

Murder Your bigotry is showing...

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

So if a man with brown skin tells you that you need to cover your head, you aren't allowed to drive, you can't leave the home without a chaperone... that's all fine. But if a white man (interesting that we've established that I'm white and a man) says that all of that is oppressive to women, they are in fact somehow wrong by virtue of their whiteness and man-ness?

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u/functor7 Mar 14 '21

if a man with brown skin tells you that you need to cover your head, you aren't allowed to drive, you can't leave the home without a chaperone... that's all fine.

When did I say that? I said listen to her and the women who know her community and not project European ideas of morality onto people without knowing the context. There are almost 2 billion followers of Islam in the world. Maybe, just maybe, the experiences and needs of different Muslim communities are different and we shouldn't universalize what it means to be a Muslim woman. A Muslim woman in New York City lives in a very different circumstance than a Muslim woman living in Tehran.

But, in any case, is the solution to a "man with brown skin" telling her what she can't wear is a white man coming in and telling her what she can't wear? Either way, she's a helpless object with no voice, power, or autonomy who needs help from a man. Fuck that. Listen to her, and the women from her community. They probably know something.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

You said white men are not allowed to weigh in on this question. So brown men are? What about brown women? If a brown woman demands that you not leave the house without a chaperone, are they correct by virtue of their lady brown-ness? Or is it possible that the argument has literally nothing to do with my skin color (which isn't white) or my gender (which is not male)?

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u/JakobtheRich Mar 14 '21

Where’s the train lady’s chaperone?

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

You already asked this. Maybe just the once is fine.

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u/JakobtheRich Mar 14 '21

You talk about women being told they need to have a chaperone on a threat replying to an image. Where is the ladies chaperone in that image?

If there isn’t a chaperone in that image, are you assuming there is a chaperone there? Why are you assuming that? If you aren’t assuming that, then why are you independently feeding the idea of a male chaperone into an image without a male chaperone?

As many times as you make assumptions that aren’t in the image, the image that is the initial post for this entire thread, I will ask you to back up and explain why that assumption is relevant to the image, or more specifically the woman sitting next to the drag queen.

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u/[deleted] Mar 14 '21

You've replied to one comment like 5 times. I'm blocking you.