The funny thing is that the calculation group uses this exact hadith as a proof.
This hadith doesn't show that it's prohibited. All it proves, directly, is that they didn't use calculations.
Anything beyond that is just your interpretation. And in this case, unfortunately, it's not even a valid interpretation. If that interpretation of this hadith was correct, that this proves that there is a "Prohibition of using calculations for moon sighting" then, by the same token, you must say that this proves that there is a calculation on writing. Obviously this is absurd, and so we must agree that this is only a description of the state of the ummah at ibn Umar's time; that most of the ummah was illiterate and not accustomed to mathematics or astronomical calculations.
During the prophet and sahabah and tabiun and taba tabiuns time they had the ability to predict moon timing and prayer timing until our time today, yet they never resorted to using it. All the aimmah of their time until today who follow in their path have all said it is a bid'ah to use calculations, whether that's used with or without a computer.
It's fine to say that calculations is the incorrect opinion. I'm not even arguing against that here.
I'm just saying that the hadith you mentioned, cannot be construed to be saying what you suggested it to be saying.
As an analogy, I might disagree with someone who says that "Of course the esrhr is round, look at the ground there it clearly goes down" because no that's just a hill. That doesn't mean that I'm saying the earth isn't round. I'm only saying that their reasoning is incorrect.
Similar here. I'm not even defending calculations; I'm just saying your reasoning here is wrong.
... No need for insults. Please either respond to what I said or ignore it.
Let me once again reiterate what I and and am not saying:
I am NOT saying that calculations is correct (or incorrect, I am not commenting on that at all).
I am NOT saying that the hadith cannot be used for this discussion of calculations.
I am NOT saying that this hadith cannot be used to show that calculations are not necessary.
I AM saying that this hadith cannot be used to show that calculations are PROHIBITED.
Once again:
I am NOT defending calculations. I am ONLY saying that this hadith cannot be used to imply a PROHIBITION on calculating!
Please, read back through my (unedited) comments and you will see that this is the case lol. What I said should not be controversial to you, not should it be triggering you like this such that you'd just respond flippantly and insultingly.
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u/Saamady Sunni Hanafi 🐢 20h ago
The funny thing is that the calculation group uses this exact hadith as a proof.
This hadith doesn't show that it's prohibited. All it proves, directly, is that they didn't use calculations.
Anything beyond that is just your interpretation. And in this case, unfortunately, it's not even a valid interpretation. If that interpretation of this hadith was correct, that this proves that there is a "Prohibition of using calculations for moon sighting" then, by the same token, you must say that this proves that there is a calculation on writing. Obviously this is absurd, and so we must agree that this is only a description of the state of the ummah at ibn Umar's time; that most of the ummah was illiterate and not accustomed to mathematics or astronomical calculations.