r/NintendoSwitch2 • u/Soplox • 1d ago

Officially from Nintendo Nintendo Switch 2 Preorders will not start on April 9 in the US thanks to the Tariffs

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"Pre-orders for Nintendo Switch 2 in the U.S. will not start April 9, 2025 in order to assess the potential impact of tariffs and evolving market conditions. Nintendo will update timing at a later date. The launch date of June 5, 2025 is unchanged."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-switch-2-preorder-guide-mario-kart-world-bundle/1100-6530531/

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u/Squibbles01 1d ago

Yep. Lots of people wouldn't vote for Kamala for this or that reason, but it was objectively the correct decision and it's your fault we're in this mess if you sat out.

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

Not really. If you are pissed about a freaking game console getting too expensive and not your money going to foreign countries for genocide, then your priorities are weird.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 1d ago

Lol, now MORE of your money will be going to foreign countries for genocide. Just look at how this Trump administration is handling foreign policy..

If your true intention was harm reduction, then you should have voted for Harris. If you're just disingenuously trying to justify your horrible vote, yeah sure keep going

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

Same amount of money is going in. In fact, Trump actually sanctioned Israel, so less money is going, lmao.

Harris wasn't focused on harm reduction; also, my vote wouldn't have mattered if it was a blue state. But continue cheering for genocide because your girlboss didn't win. Sure shows how "moral and empathetic" and focused on "harm reduction" you are.

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u/Opening-Candidate160 19h ago

also, my vote wouldn't have mattered if it was a blue state.

OK so you live in a red/ swing state? So it's your fault, and you just don't want to take accountability lmao.

What have you actually done to help people affected by the genocide besides post online about how its wrong?

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u/DrPikachu-PhD 1d ago

Agree, genocide bad. Luckily the Trump admin is much stronger on this issue than Kamala's team /s

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

Where did I say Trump is better?

Imagine being so depraved you're happy that a genocide is getting worse simply because your genocide supporting leader lost.

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

You said Trump was better when you refused to vote against him.

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u/Kaizodacoit 4h ago

No, that doesn't mean that. Geez, no wonder the rest of the world thinks Americans are dumb.

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u/Revegelance 3h ago

The rest of the world thinks Americans are dumb because they elected a fascist dictator. And so many people who had the power to stop it, just... decided not to.

You let perfect be the enemy of good, and now you're paying the price. So have fun with that.

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u/doberdevil 1d ago

I got you. Nobody thought Trump was gonna be any better, but a vote for Kamala was a vote that sanctioned murdering innocent people, and well, that's not ok with me. People act like it's ok to support the "lesser evil" of two bad choices. Democrats have successfully used this play for decades and still keep screwing the people over.

For anyone pissed about their toys costing more, go and read about what happens every day in Gaza, and what you think was fine to support because "Trump is worse".

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u/Hungry-Plenty3646 19h ago

So now the war in gaza continues, as well as America becoming worse

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u/BodhingJay 1d ago

And the people who thought it was fine to transmit swing state votes via starlink

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u/IWasBannedYesterday 1d ago

Wait, what?

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u/Capnhuh 1d ago

don't worry, that didn't happen. its just something some talking heads made up.

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u/Rieiid 1d ago

Cool I get this but let's stop putting this on every comment about it. Yeah people should have voted but no, this is primarily anyone who voted for trumps fault, quit shifting blame and blame the real actual problem, which is trump and anyone who supported him.

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u/Hilarial 1d ago

Some people sat out on voting because Kamala ran on a anti-migrant pro-zionist campaign, but seems ppl only feel emotionally moved by their games console being unaffordable

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u/VastSeaweed543 1d ago

LOL how’s that working out for migrants and Palestinians right now

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u/Hilarial 1d ago

for palestinians, equally as awful as since Biden's presidency.

No offense but a 5-year-old could tell you "um actually u/Hilarial was not suggesting that Trump is better".

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u/robotsects 1d ago

Not just my games console. Thanks to Trump, it's about to be everything

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u/binarybandit 1d ago

So, a genuine question. Do you think if every eligible voter went out to vote, Harris would have won? Wouldn't that also mean a lot of votes for Trump would have also been cast from non-voters?

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u/fuglenes_herre 1d ago

Sure, it's possible, even likely, but that possibility does not excuse your inaction.

*Editing to clarify that the possibilty I'm referring to is the possibility that a number of non-voters would have voted for the orange blight.

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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi 1d ago

I recall NYT did an article that non voters cost Harris as turnout was much lower for democrats in key states.

But forget that part, it’s your civic duty to vote and non voters are simply losers who get taxed with zero participation which is quite stupid. Like it says a lot if you refuse to vote when a rapist criminal is attempting to destroy USA. Don’t want to vote? You were fine with Trump winning.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

I hate this thinking. It is not your duty, it is your right. if the candidates are shit, why on earth is it your duty to choose one? I bet you think a third party vote is a wasted vote too.

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u/uzipack 1d ago

Voting third party in the U.S is certainly a waste due to our bipartisan structure. Voting is a right AND a duty, they are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

You know who didn't think a third party vote was a waste? Abraham Lincoln.

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u/theshinymew64 1d ago

The Republican Party was absolutely not a third party in 1860. They only formed and grew because the second party in the two-party system of the time (the Whigs) collapsed and became nonviable (the Free Soil Party, which was part of the coalition that became the Republican Party, was a genuine third party, but they weren't successful in their goals up to that point).

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u/Naive_Degree3463 1d ago

Oh well goddamn. Abraham LINCOLN?

THAT Abraham Lincoln?? The one that lived 150 years ago?

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

And puts your nation to shame. You have somehow convinced yourselves in that time that you are powerless. Weak.

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u/Naive_Degree3463 1d ago

Dude I'm agreeing with you. What are you talking about

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

The emphasis on the 150 years ago seemed otherwise.

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u/dibbbbb 1d ago

Rights are not given freely. It is your duty to defend that right by exercising it. Once you lose your right to vote, do you think you will ever get it back in your lifetime? Probably not.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

So if all the candidates were a bunch of fascists, and there were no moderates to elect, you would still see it as your duty to vote?

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u/VastSeaweed543 1d ago

If your eyes were made of pudding would you walk on jeans???

Like wtf are you even talking about anymore. Is that what happened here? Like even at all? You had to change the situation so far that it’s not even an applicable analogy anymore.

It’s more akin to ‘if the choice was between someone who would tax the rich to help children and first time home buyers - or someone who was found to be a rapist by a jury of his peers - would it still be your duty to vote???’

Yes. Yes it would.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 1d ago

This often gets phrased (poorly IMO but whatever) on social media as "oh would you really vote 99% hitler to stop 100% hitler"

And you know what? Yes. Nazis killed around 17 million people. 99% Hitler means that 170,000 human lives are saved. So yes, if the choice is 99% Hitler or 100% Hitler, you choose the former option.

Your duty as a citizen in a democracy is to choose the best possible outcome of the viable choices that does the most good and the least harm. In between elections work on getting better viable choices.

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

If one candidate promises to punch me in the face, and the other promises to cut off my head, I'm gonna vote for the punch.

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u/Razgriz_101 1d ago

It is a duty, if people don’t vote or become apathetic then you end up with authoritarian rule. In situations like this you need to hold your nose and pick the lesser evil, the UK managed to kinda do this with Labour.

In these kinda elections you need to hold your nose and hope for the lesser evil gets in. Instead America voted in the lardass who is hell bent on “revenge” and keeping his Yarvin worshipping paymasters happy.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 1d ago

No you don't. You need to, as a nation, break away from the two party shenanigans.

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u/Easy-Round1529 1d ago

Try voting. It’s not even a two party system. People only say that when they believe bat shit crazy stuff no one supports.

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u/Razgriz_101 1d ago

I’m in the Uk and in Scotland thankfully we have a really solid 3rd option in the SNP. Also been a decent storied history of political identity here.

Sometimes in certain situations you need to get certain parties out no matter what and it’s always good to keep parties like the SNP from falling asleep at the wheel at the Scottish parliament etc.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 1d ago

In a first-past-the-post system with direct election of the executive (as opposed to a parliamentary system where coalition governments can form), two parties is the mathematical equilibrium. Any third party that arises will either die off or supplant one of the other two parties.

A viable third party on the right would split conservative votes leading to permanent Dem governance, and vice versa on the left.

This would require a constitutional amendment.

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

Abstaining from voting does not break the cycle. It just gives free reign for the fascist who you didn't vote against to destroy the nation.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 1d ago

I bet you think a third party vote is a wasted vote too.

Anyone who thinks that is correct. The first past the post voting system creates two-party systems. Any vote for a third party candidate just helps the candidate you hate the most to win

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u/While-Fancy 7h ago

When you get a gun put to your head and are told to eat a turd sandwich or a large turd burrito with nails and glass in it and you refuse to choose and they just force feed you the turd with glass in it you have no right to complain that one is worse than the other.

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

You could have avoided the nails and glass. Easily. But instead you took the coward's way out.

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u/SkullGearMC 1d ago

This right here!!!

I compare it to a pot of soup. At first you are eating the best, the stuff right off the top. Yet, as time goes on and more of the pot is consumed eventually you find yourself left with only the dregs left. The food at the bottom of the pot, the food you have to scrape out.

Over the past few elections, that’s imo what it felt like. That every new election we were just going deeper and deeper into the pot and finally we are at the bottom.

Maybe Harris would have been better, maybe not. Maybe Trump will turn things around who knows. Yet this is what we as the American people were given. Both parties said here are your candidates, now go out and vote.

What are you supposed to do when you don’t feel as though either candidate may be the right choice? What do you do in a two party system where the media drowns out everyone else?

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u/DJ_Jungle 1d ago

You vote for the lesser of two evils. As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t vote, you don’t have a right to complain.

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u/Hilarial 1d ago edited 1d ago

To be in a position to consider one of as a lesser evil is its own privilege given the havoc America helped wreak on the middle east throughout the Biden presidency (that shows no sign of slowing under Trump)

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u/DJ_Jungle 1d ago edited 1d ago

Agree to disagree. The vote is one of the main ways common folk can influence the world they live in. If you refuse to vote, you give up that right voluntarily. People have died fighting for the right to vote. To not vote is a slap in their face.

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u/Hilarial 1d ago

I do vote though. I didn't exempt myself from the critique I just made.

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u/Easy-Round1529 1d ago

That makes no sense. You are privileged since you are comfortable with not voting, it’s all trivial to you. I need to live, so voting is important to me. I don’t have the privilege you have to scoff at us who need to make hard choice or have difficult lives. You must realize how you are the problem tho. You can’t be bothered to vote. Your vote goes to the worst evil. Glad you don’t have responsibilities I guess.

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u/Hilarial 1d ago edited 19h ago

I'm not American, and I do vote in elections in my own country. Elections are fucked here so they do fuck all but it placates people like you for a brief minute.

So I also have the privilege that I spoke of. Palestinians do not. Undocumented migrants do not. They need to live too and thus they have to take measures into their own hands beyond "voting". Take notes from them.

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

It's nigh impossible to talk to these people, dude. They do the bare minimum every 4 years while the country gets worse and worse, and are now on a gaming console subreddit whining about privilege, lol.

Americans for the first time in modern history have to reckon with the fact that their rosy colored lives were built on the exploitation of the global south no matter which tie color was sitting in their sacred office, and instead of having any empathy or changing the system, they double down on it and blame minorities for all their problems.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 1d ago

Donald Trump just killed more Yemeni civilians in a week than Biden did in a year. It isn't slowing under Trump, it's accelerating.

Biden's I/P policy sucked but Trump's was always going to be way worse and lead to more death. Harris wouldn't have killed those Yemeni civilians.

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u/Hilarial 1d ago

I'm not playing Pick Your Preferred Holocaust, sorry mate.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 1d ago

It is actually really depressing that human beings' lives do not matter to you.

If, all else being equal, one human being would die under Trump who would not die under Biden or Harris, and the only cost of you voting for the Dem candidate is "I feel icky and morally compromised," I think that it's a no-brainer? To do otherwise is to say that your own moral warm fuzzies are more important than a human fucking life, and I think that's pretty fucking monstrous!

Why do you not care that, had Harris won, there would almost certainly be people around the world who are alive right now instead of dead? Why do their lives not matter? All so you can get this masturbatory sense of self-righteousness?

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

You don't think that killing a million people is worse than killing a thousand?

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

The lesser evil is still evil. 2020 was a voted for thelesser evil as well and it directly led to Trump.

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u/DJ_Jungle 1d ago

But by definition it’s less evil. You don’t understand the choice was binary. By not voting you chose more evil.

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u/Kaizodacoit 1d ago

Prove that statement.

If there is a choice between choosing two evils, then why is not choosing either evil the worse evil?

Also, who are you to decide what the lesser evil is?

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u/DJ_Jungle 1d ago

Geez, it’s not the worst evil. If you not voting leads to the greater evil being in power, it’s equivalent to voting for the greater evil. It’s pragmatically the same.

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u/idropepics 1d ago

Given the choice between starving and eating the so-called "dregs", you eat the food, because if wishes were horses more beggars would ride.

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u/Patient-Phone-1997 1d ago

Wow! Harris was undoubtedly the best candidate between the two! You people who don’t have critical thinking skills or maybe even an education are why we are here with a babbling buffoon in the office.

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u/VastSeaweed543 1d ago

Right??? The educated woman who was a lawyer then AG to the largest state then a senator then the VP was ‘a poor candidate’??? But the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon is not…I just…

This is what America wanted. We are getting what we voted for.

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u/Krosis97 1d ago

She was a poor candidate because she has a vagina and is not white.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 1d ago

Sadly true. Our country is far too bigoted to elect a woman.

We need a proper primary election of a popular Democratic candidate to win again. We're definitely going to choose a tall man, but it will work

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u/Krosis97 1d ago

As someone from europe I highly doubt you guys will ever get to vote again. Not without a violent insurrection, americans just feel....weak as hell, unable to protest and extremely uneducated and just plain lacking empathy. No wonder you guys are where you are now.

You have to be a weak, stupid little bitch to think trump is a hard man and even more to get him elected, thats not a problem that goes away in 4 years.

Better for everyone else though, that way the people here who used to like the us now see the light and our markets grow without world bully having a say on anything else forever.

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u/wutfacer 1d ago

"For lunch I can choose between this steak and a literal pile of shit, but the steak looks kind of dry and doesn't come with sides, so maybe the shit would be fine instead? Who knows, I'll let somebody else decide for me"

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u/Artoy_Nerian 1d ago

Maybe Harris would have been better, maybe not... who knows.

In less than a year Trump has:

-threaten war to several countries including Canada, the closest Ally the USA has.

-commited economic suicide by starting a trade war with the country's closest trading partners

-put tariffs in every country in the world out of nowhere, something completely nuts

-Posted an AI video where he turns Gaza into a luxury beach resort with golden statues of him

-Destroyed the diplomatic credibility of the USA long term, even if the Dems win the next election by literal divine intervention that damage will stay.

-continues to destroy the political global hegemony of the USA

-in general eroding and destroying the democratic system and following project 2025

Can you tell me with genuine honesty Harris would have done even a single thing of all of this? Let alone manage to do worse.

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u/boabieG 1d ago edited 1d ago

Abstaining from a completely shallow choice between a party who represents a class of rich elites but kisses you before they f%k you and a party who represent a class of rich elites but spit in your face as they f%k you is as much a vote to say “I have no confidence in this broken system” as it is some sort of dereliction of duty. If you hold your nose and vote between two awful candidates you are just validating a sham system. The sooner the vast majority of people refuse to partake in this hollow charade, the sooner the system loses its legitimacy, and the sooner real alternatives might be allowed to emerge. It’s a s**t show, but I for one would rather see that than this dead donkey be dragged any further… it’s over. Let it die. Pleeeease, we can’t take it any more XD

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

Sure, but a lot of people are going to come to significant harm during that process, and their blood is on your hands.

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u/OrneryTRex 1d ago

So democrats are lazy when they need to exercise their democratic freedom?

I don’t think that’s the got ya that everyone seems to think it is

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u/The1Immortal1 1d ago

Maybe not, but not voting and then complaining is a stupid thing to do.

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u/Speeeven 1d ago

It's complicated. I think most sources agree that at least 2 million fewer votes were counted in 2024 than in 2020. In 2020, 66.6% of eligible voters voted, but that figure was down to 63.9% in 2024. That could be due to apathy, protest, changing election laws, laziness, forgetfulness, or a number of other factors.

Due to variations in voting districts, state voting laws, and the way the electoral college works, it's not really a matter of "if ___ more democrats voted, Harris would have won." It would really depend on where those people live and the margins in their particular voting districts. If the margins in enough voting districts in a particular election were slim enough, it would theoretically be possible to sway the election one way or another with a pretty small number of people who happen to be distributed exactly where it matters most. That same number of people in other districts that are less competitive wouldn't even make a dent in the overall election.

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u/ichuseyu 1d ago

2020: Trump - 74.2 million votes, Biden - 81.2 million votes

2024: Trump 77.3 million votes, Harris - 75 million votes

Republicans showed up and Democrats didn't.

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u/Patient-Phone-1997 1d ago

There’s also the possibility that Musk tampered with the voting.🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Revegelance 4h ago

Didn't he directly admit it?

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u/AUGSpeed 1d ago

Generally, moderates don't vote. So they will vote for whatever is the least offensive option. Generally, that does not favor Trump. We should have Mandatory voting in the country. And eliminate FPTP, and implement ranked voting, and then eliminate the electoral college. That would be a start.

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u/prowler28 1d ago

Hell no.

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u/AUGSpeed 1d ago

Care to elaborate?

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u/prowler28 1d ago

Hell no to all of that. 

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u/AUGSpeed 1d ago

Okay, you're welcome to your opinion. I just think that many European countries have done some of these things, and that we might be able to learn from them. I'm asking why you wouldn't want them. Are there other changes you would make? Or do you like our system as is?

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u/prowler28 1d ago

You ask a fair question and I will answer it. Yes I do, entirely, prefer our system. And just because Europe does it, doesn't mean we need to emulate it. THE REASON we went independent was precisely because we don't want to just emulate Europe. 

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u/AUGSpeed 1d ago

Do you see any issues with our current system? What do you prefer about it in comparison to the various European governments? Any specific examples?

I would argue that the reason America went independent was not to be separate from Europe as a whole, but rather from a monarchy (Specifically Britain), and the issues with that governmental system. France actually helped us immensely during our revolutionary war. I would say that we didn't fight to be separate from Europe, we have quite tight bonds with much of Europe, actually.

I would say that we became independent to stop Monarchy. And what Trump is doing now is pretty close to an Oligarchy, or possibly Plutocracy. I think the founding fathers likely would have had some large complaints about the way that Trump operates this government. I think we should learn from Europe the same way the founding fathers did (Benjamin Franklin famously lived in France for a portion of his life), and prevent ourselves from falling into something worse.

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u/CaffeinatedDiabetic 1d ago

Have you seen George Carlin's take on voting? His approach is my approach.

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u/Del_Duio2 1d ago

Yeah, these guys especially

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u/catperson77789 1d ago

fuckers feeling cute saying " oh but kamala didnt do a good job to appease me" yeah now you have to handle a ticking time bomb thats slowly destroying your economy and thats fucking 2 months in his term.

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u/InRainWeTrust 1d ago

People keep ignoring this part even though they are just as much at fault.

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u/cornstinky 1d ago

yes be hostile to those who sat out and surely that will convince them to vote with you next time

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u/Froggmann5 1d ago

Placing the blame at the feet of those responsible isn't being "Hostile". It's the reality.

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u/Maleficent-Radish-86 1d ago

And everyone who voted independent.

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u/CloudsSpikyHairLock 1d ago

Maybe if y’all knew how to organise but yeah blame other as usual

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u/Intelligent_Jelly_26 1d ago

And every fucker that didn't fucking do the fucking thing so the poor kids could afford a fucking nintendo switch

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u/JackMcSomeone 1d ago

That's why America needs compulsory voting. We have that in Australia and we're having a election next month

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u/ExtremeSour 1d ago edited 1d ago

This is the wrong view. Not casting a vote is often times a rejection in and of itself. I voted D down the list however didn’t vote for President. One bc I’m in Texas so it doesn’t matter, and two I don’t like Harris. She was a bad option. Fuck the Democratic Party for pushing Biden first and then her

Damn i triggered so many soft people lol

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u/Scrutinizer 1d ago

"I'm in Texas so it doesn't matter."

Disgusting defeatist attitude right there. If everyone who thought that took action then things might actually change.

If you didn't do the one thing that could have led to his defeat - vote for the individual most likely to defat him - then you didn't do anything at all, and quite frankly deserve everything he brings to you.

Hopefully it's just a nasty sticker shock at a device you want to buy, but let's face it, we aren't going to be that lucky.

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u/Informal_Leather7233 1d ago

Ignorant reddit revolutionist attitude. Texas hasn't voted blue in almost 50 years, it's almost always 90% red by electoral college, there's a reason presidents spend billions in swing states and Republicans don't spend in Texas and Democrats don't spend in California. Now if it was a popular vote, I'd agree but the system is set the way it is.

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u/BCCannaDude 1d ago

That does not mean you do not vote, it's a right that people have died for and is your duty as a citizen. Pissed at the system? get out and effect change, go to rallies and protests, help locally. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain imo.

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u/swordfishandscales 1d ago

The popular vote doesn't decide the president unfortunately. the electoral vote doesn't have to vote the way the people want either. The whole system is rigged against the people.

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u/Informal_Leather7233 1d ago

Screaming in the streets does nothing, making threats does nothing, I absolutely agree to voting locally and participating locally. But your actions locally aren't going to make a difference nationally, what impact does that make aside from awareness of which everywhere is fully aware.

The only way to change the system is getting enough power to be a representative to vote for change or voting for a section on the ballot if change ever comes. A change.org or rally on the corner in the center of your local town has no effect.

I did vote in Massachusetts a blue state since 1928, my vote did not matter (for president) as much as that Texas persons vote didn't matter. I'm not necessarily supporting not voting but there's a very real reality you can't avoid and a system you cant counter just by protesting.

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u/San_fran_psycho 1d ago

Texas isn't a red state, it's a non voting state. The majority don't vote, followed by red, then blue. Texas can change its just people who want an excuse that say that so they feel better about not voting

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u/Informal_Leather7233 1d ago

Tell that to the historical data, sure Texas votes less than other states but there always seems to be a bias with people using the non voting as those votes being magically all blue.

To be clear I voted blue in Massachusetts, my vote didn't matter as much if not less than a blue vote in Texas for the opposite reason.

I just don't agree with the hold out for all these no voters being the saviors of the Democrats and not just equally ambivalent no party split individuals disillusioned by the system or lacking concern.

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u/Da_Question 1d ago

Texas is purple though. It's like 55/45. It wouldn't take much, and you can't gerrymander the state wide races.

It doesn't matter... Yeah, if everyone thinks the same of course it won't flip.

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u/Informal_Leather7233 1d ago

Voting isn't by popular vote, look at the districts and tell me it's possible 95% of Texas districts were red. You just aren't accepting reality, now if you were to suggest a popular vote election sure but that isn't how it works.

It would take 20 odd districts flipping from red to blue to change Texas, that would actually take quite a lot. Calling Texas purple is ridiculous, it's red then Austin Texas.

The inverse applies for my state Massachusetts, blue (presidential) since 1928, I voted but my presidential vote didn't matter, it's just factual.

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u/unktrial 1d ago

Excuses, excuses.

"I'm in Texas, so it doesn't matter" - Thanks to people like you.

"She was a bad option." - So bad that she can crash the economy like Trump?

Take some responsibility.

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u/Scrutinizer 1d ago

Overheard among people entering the Melania Trump Friendship Gulag was the phrase "Well, this sucks, but at least those ten transgenders didn't get to play women's college sports!"

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u/swordfishandscales 1d ago

What did your vote change?

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u/SparkyMuffin 1d ago

THIS is the wrong view. At the end, it comes down to two, and it's your duty to choose the lesser of two evils. All I'm hearing is you saw all of the evil shit this dude wanted to do and felt like not voting for his opponent to keep him out of office wasn't worth it because you didn't like her enough.

And yes, it matters you're from Texas. They were almost purple a few years ago. If everyone voted in Texas that can, it can turn blue.

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u/ExtremeSour 1d ago

I’m sorry but you’re wrong. Are you from Texas? I assume not. A Democrat has not won a statewide seat in over 30 years. And it’s not close to changing.

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u/BethanyHipsEnjoyer 1d ago edited 1d ago

As a native Texan, people like you are the reason we haven't been able to flip back blue. Your direct inaction has contributed to women having less rights in our state. Thanks for doing nothing!

Edit: They claimed they voted for Kamala but just worded it unclearly, stop killing the poor, dumb, innocent man!

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u/Boomshockalocka007 1d ago

SAY👏 IT👏 LOUDER👏

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u/ExtremeSour 1d ago

Did you forget to read the part about me voting D down ballot. Come on and read. Don’t make us look bad

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u/BethanyHipsEnjoyer 1d ago

You should have make that much more clear in your message. By your downvotes, I'm assuming most people figured you voted for dems, but excluded Kamala, as I thought.

If you did vote for her, I'm sorry brudder, you deserve none of the blame or downvotes. Call her a bad pick all you want, as long as you voted for her to preserve democracy like I did.

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u/Itchy-Beach-1384 1d ago

I'm from Texas and we had a shitload of momentum in 2016, 2020, and 2024.

Lazy fuckers sat each one out and cost their state and country.

Don't bullshit.

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u/illtakeachinchilla 1d ago

Not that close? If likeminded individuals like yourself actually showed up, the results might have surprised you.

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u/ChopmanFGC 1d ago

At the end, it comes down to two, and it's your duty to choose the lesser of two evils.

Actually, it's the Democratic Party's responsibility to make people want to vote for them, which they didn't do. If you weren't so okay with living in a country where your only options are bad or worse, things might be able to get better. But so long as you accept the Democrats' offer of "we'll do nothing and you'll like it" everything will keep getting worse.

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u/OkInterest3109 1d ago

So now we have this. Congrats.

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u/ChopmanFGC 1d ago

Do I look like the 7 million voters that Democrats lost between 2020 and 2024? Do you think I'm to blame for not getting all of them out to vote? There's only one person that can do that, and it's the candidate.

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u/OkInterest3109 1d ago

Just need enough of you morons to.

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u/tokengaymusiccritic 1d ago

This is like looking at a water balloon and a nuke and deciding both are equally bad things to get hit with

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u/ChopmanFGC 1d ago

Didn't say they were equal, if my arguments are bad, then argue against them instead of making one up.

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u/tokengaymusiccritic 1d ago

The Democratic Party offered you the water balloon. The GOP offered you the nuke. You decided to not participate and let other people decide if we collectively got the water balloon or the nuke, and now we have the nuke.

The Democrats offered you the better option but you decided it wasn't good enough and now instead we have the shittiest one.

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u/ChopmanFGC 1d ago

Instead of offering me a water balloon, perhaps they should've offered health care reform and a Gaza ceasefire.

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u/SparkyMuffin 1d ago

The finish line is not the place for that. The work to get competent leadership starts now, and then the primaries.

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u/ChopmanFGC 1d ago

If you vote for do-nothing Democrats and they win, they are going to continue to do nothing. It's very simple. The only way to get them to change is to let them know you're not going to vote for them if they don't change.

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u/EnvironmentalBit4363 1d ago

Voting for the lesser evil gave us Trump. Gtfo with that bullshit. People voted for the lesser evil in 2020 and look where that led us.

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u/San_fran_psycho 1d ago

Trumps never been the lesser of two evils, be real

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u/SparkyMuffin 1d ago

Are you saying Trump should have won in 2020?

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u/dandroid126 1d ago

sHe WaS a bAd oPTiOn.

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u/Froggmann5 1d ago

Not voting is a choice you made.

For me, I can't consciously tolerate the shit that Trump said he would do before being elected without doing something about it myself. If the consequences are severe, I couldn't tolerate not having tried to fix things.

For you though, you could consciously tolerate anything he claimed he would do, and you could consciously tolerate the consequences of when he acts on those claims should he win, so you chose not to vote.

The trolley problem is a classic here, where a runaway trolley is about to kill five people on the main track. You can divert the trolley to a side track where it will kill only one person.

In this case, you're the kind of person who chooses not to interact with the problem, allowing five people to die, and your conscience can tolerate that. Because you view inaction as a "rejection" of the solutions proposed. That said, the trolley still rolls down the track despite this rejection. The same happens in an election: Despite your rejection of the choices, the trolley still rolls and one of them will be elected.

I'm the kind of person whose conscience can't tolerate not acting. I feel compelled to help others, and I would act save as many lives as possible, even if it meant choosing an option that, in a vacuum, I normally wouldn't.

All this to say: I can absolutely blame you for not voting. The trolley rolls no matter your rejection. Your ignorance of it, willful or otherwise, doesn't change that.

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u/TheMrBoot 1d ago

At some point a person is going to get exhausted of being forced to choose whether they’re five people they know will die or ten people they don’t or whatever other asinine trolley problem comes up.

I voted for Harris for harm reduction. I pushed for people to do the same. But at the end of the day, Biden and Harris were also the head of an administration actively supporting a genocide, failed on a lot of promises, and Harris burned the goodwill her campaign built by going “yeah I’m just going to carry on with Joe’s policies”. Ignoring human nature is how we’re going to keep ending up with this situation, a Democratic Party running on being the “sane” GOP and losing.

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u/InstructionFast2911 1d ago

Biden wasn’t going to drop until it was completely clear he didn’t have what it takes. No party has been in a situation like that and it’s unclear if they’d be able to reasonably oust him before then.

But the fact is this isn’t just Romney vs Kamala. We’re seeing trump is by far worse than what GOP put up before. This wasn’t the race to say “Oh well dems had a bad candidate, I won’t support!”

People are dying in droves from various aid cuts that are pennies on the dollar. The entire world economy is getting upended and people are getting hurt bad. And he’s already consolidating power and we have a real risk of a dictatorship.

It was a literal decision between fascist psycho and a really not so awful democrat.

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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi 1d ago

You’re part of the problem even if dems are the lesser evil

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u/MangoFartHuffer 1d ago

Make sure to sit out again and make redditors seethe haha

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u/Squibbles01 1d ago

No. Fuck you. Vote Democrat everytime when the alternative is someone like Trump.

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u/Cinnamon_Bark 1d ago

Things were really good under Biden, and things are really bad now. I wonder why

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u/BaconJakin 1d ago

You are a damned fool. My God.

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Vote for the one closest to your ideology. Whoever the person behind it is isn't that relevant.

And when corrupt shitheads like trump show up you vote against to prevent the country from going to shit.

The way americans view politics is wild from my perspective.

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u/ExtremeSour 1d ago

Perfect. I’ll vote for the socialist party. Kamala still isn’t getting my vote

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u/Gambler_Eight 1d ago

Sounds good to me. Socialism is the way.

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u/Boomshockalocka007 1d ago

What a horrible outlook in life. No wonder Texas will always stay red. Thanks for screwing us all over.

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u/flPieman 1d ago

Being unable to choose the lesser of two evils is not a virtue. Extreme leftists are so annoying, they act against their own self interests.

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u/The-G-Code 1d ago

Oh yes a dem voter calling people "triggered" how believable

Fucking Texans lmao

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u/ExtremeSour 1d ago

Are you a bot? Lmao. I can be center left. I swear some of you people are sooo close minded 😂

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u/The-G-Code 1d ago

You think you're Hank Hill but you're not. Enjoy what you voted for, but you belong on twitter.

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u/duckduckchook 1d ago

This! Not voting is what did it. He had a similar number of votes as when he lost last time. It was the ones who sat out and didn't vote, that actually voted him.in.

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u/IUseKeyboardOnXbox 1d ago

I'm sorry bro I got lazy and was at work.

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u/Cinnamon_Bark 1d ago

Thanks a lot bro

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u/Laticia_1990 1d ago

Mail in

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u/IUseKeyboardOnXbox 1d ago

There is always next time. Hopefully

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u/ILkeSportzNIDCWhKnws 1d ago

Damn, if you have a job where you don't have PTO this is going to really hurt for you in a very short amount of time