r/NintendoSwitch2 • u/Soplox • 2d ago

Officially from Nintendo Nintendo Switch 2 Preorders will not start on April 9 in the US thanks to the Tariffs

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u/MarioLuigiDinoYoshi 2d ago

I recall NYT did an article that non voters cost Harris as turnout was much lower for democrats in key states.

But forget that part, it’s your civic duty to vote and non voters are simply losers who get taxed with zero participation which is quite stupid. Like it says a lot if you refuse to vote when a rapist criminal is attempting to destroy USA. Don’t want to vote? You were fine with Trump winning.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

I hate this thinking. It is not your duty, it is your right. if the candidates are shit, why on earth is it your duty to choose one? I bet you think a third party vote is a wasted vote too.

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u/uzipack 2d ago

Voting third party in the U.S is certainly a waste due to our bipartisan structure. Voting is a right AND a duty, they are not mutually exclusive.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

You know who didn't think a third party vote was a waste? Abraham Lincoln.

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u/theshinymew64 2d ago

The Republican Party was absolutely not a third party in 1860. They only formed and grew because the second party in the two-party system of the time (the Whigs) collapsed and became nonviable (the Free Soil Party, which was part of the coalition that became the Republican Party, was a genuine third party, but they weren't successful in their goals up to that point).

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u/Naive_Degree3463 2d ago

Oh well goddamn. Abraham LINCOLN?

THAT Abraham Lincoln?? The one that lived 150 years ago?

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

And puts your nation to shame. You have somehow convinced yourselves in that time that you are powerless. Weak.

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u/Naive_Degree3463 2d ago

Dude I'm agreeing with you. What are you talking about

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

The emphasis on the 150 years ago seemed otherwise.

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u/Naive_Degree3463 2d ago

Yeah, it's still relevant

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u/dibbbbb 2d ago

Rights are not given freely. It is your duty to defend that right by exercising it. Once you lose your right to vote, do you think you will ever get it back in your lifetime? Probably not.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

So if all the candidates were a bunch of fascists, and there were no moderates to elect, you would still see it as your duty to vote?

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u/VastSeaweed543 2d ago

If your eyes were made of pudding would you walk on jeans???

Like wtf are you even talking about anymore. Is that what happened here? Like even at all? You had to change the situation so far that it’s not even an applicable analogy anymore.

It’s more akin to ‘if the choice was between someone who would tax the rich to help children and first time home buyers - or someone who was found to be a rapist by a jury of his peers - would it still be your duty to vote???’

Yes. Yes it would.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 2d ago

This often gets phrased (poorly IMO but whatever) on social media as "oh would you really vote 99% hitler to stop 100% hitler"

And you know what? Yes. Nazis killed around 17 million people. 99% Hitler means that 170,000 human lives are saved. So yes, if the choice is 99% Hitler or 100% Hitler, you choose the former option.

Your duty as a citizen in a democracy is to choose the best possible outcome of the viable choices that does the most good and the least harm. In between elections work on getting better viable choices.

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u/Revegelance 1d ago

If one candidate promises to punch me in the face, and the other promises to cut off my head, I'm gonna vote for the punch.

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u/Razgriz_101 2d ago

It is a duty, if people don’t vote or become apathetic then you end up with authoritarian rule. In situations like this you need to hold your nose and pick the lesser evil, the UK managed to kinda do this with Labour.

In these kinda elections you need to hold your nose and hope for the lesser evil gets in. Instead America voted in the lardass who is hell bent on “revenge” and keeping his Yarvin worshipping paymasters happy.

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u/Amazing-Childhood412 2d ago

No you don't. You need to, as a nation, break away from the two party shenanigans.

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u/Easy-Round1529 2d ago

Try voting. It’s not even a two party system. People only say that when they believe bat shit crazy stuff no one supports.

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u/Razgriz_101 2d ago

I’m in the Uk and in Scotland thankfully we have a really solid 3rd option in the SNP. Also been a decent storied history of political identity here.

Sometimes in certain situations you need to get certain parties out no matter what and it’s always good to keep parties like the SNP from falling asleep at the wheel at the Scottish parliament etc.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 2d ago

In a first-past-the-post system with direct election of the executive (as opposed to a parliamentary system where coalition governments can form), two parties is the mathematical equilibrium. Any third party that arises will either die off or supplant one of the other two parties.

A viable third party on the right would split conservative votes leading to permanent Dem governance, and vice versa on the left.

This would require a constitutional amendment.

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u/Revegelance 1d ago

Abstaining from voting does not break the cycle. It just gives free reign for the fascist who you didn't vote against to destroy the nation.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 2d ago

I bet you think a third party vote is a wasted vote too.

Anyone who thinks that is correct. The first past the post voting system creates two-party systems. Any vote for a third party candidate just helps the candidate you hate the most to win

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u/While-Fancy 1d ago

When you get a gun put to your head and are told to eat a turd sandwich or a large turd burrito with nails and glass in it and you refuse to choose and they just force feed you the turd with glass in it you have no right to complain that one is worse than the other.

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u/Revegelance 1d ago

You could have avoided the nails and glass. Easily. But instead you took the coward's way out.

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u/SkullGearMC 2d ago

This right here!!!

I compare it to a pot of soup. At first you are eating the best, the stuff right off the top. Yet, as time goes on and more of the pot is consumed eventually you find yourself left with only the dregs left. The food at the bottom of the pot, the food you have to scrape out.

Over the past few elections, that’s imo what it felt like. That every new election we were just going deeper and deeper into the pot and finally we are at the bottom.

Maybe Harris would have been better, maybe not. Maybe Trump will turn things around who knows. Yet this is what we as the American people were given. Both parties said here are your candidates, now go out and vote.

What are you supposed to do when you don’t feel as though either candidate may be the right choice? What do you do in a two party system where the media drowns out everyone else?

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u/DJ_Jungle 2d ago

You vote for the lesser of two evils. As far as I’m concerned, if you don’t vote, you don’t have a right to complain.

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u/Hilarial 2d ago edited 2d ago

To be in a position to consider one of as a lesser evil is its own privilege given the havoc America helped wreak on the middle east throughout the Biden presidency (that shows no sign of slowing under Trump)

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u/DJ_Jungle 2d ago edited 2d ago

Agree to disagree. The vote is one of the main ways common folk can influence the world they live in. If you refuse to vote, you give up that right voluntarily. People have died fighting for the right to vote. To not vote is a slap in their face.

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u/Hilarial 2d ago

I do vote though. I didn't exempt myself from the critique I just made.

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u/Easy-Round1529 2d ago

That makes no sense. You are privileged since you are comfortable with not voting, it’s all trivial to you. I need to live, so voting is important to me. I don’t have the privilege you have to scoff at us who need to make hard choice or have difficult lives. You must realize how you are the problem tho. You can’t be bothered to vote. Your vote goes to the worst evil. Glad you don’t have responsibilities I guess.

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u/Hilarial 2d ago edited 1d ago

I'm not American, and I do vote in elections in my own country. Elections are fucked here so they do fuck all but it placates people like you for a brief minute.

So I also have the privilege that I spoke of. Palestinians do not. Undocumented migrants do not. They need to live too and thus they have to take measures into their own hands beyond "voting". Take notes from them.

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u/Kaizodacoit 2d ago

It's nigh impossible to talk to these people, dude. They do the bare minimum every 4 years while the country gets worse and worse, and are now on a gaming console subreddit whining about privilege, lol.

Americans for the first time in modern history have to reckon with the fact that their rosy colored lives were built on the exploitation of the global south no matter which tie color was sitting in their sacred office, and instead of having any empathy or changing the system, they double down on it and blame minorities for all their problems.

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u/Darnell2070 2d ago

Voting isn't the bare minimum when the outcome can have such massive ramifications, as we're seeing right now.

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u/Hilarial 2d ago

Just because it collectively has massive ramifications doesn't mean you did much beyond the bare minimum.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 2d ago

Donald Trump just killed more Yemeni civilians in a week than Biden did in a year. It isn't slowing under Trump, it's accelerating.

Biden's I/P policy sucked but Trump's was always going to be way worse and lead to more death. Harris wouldn't have killed those Yemeni civilians.

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u/Hilarial 2d ago

I'm not playing Pick Your Preferred Holocaust, sorry mate.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 2d ago

It is actually really depressing that human beings' lives do not matter to you.

If, all else being equal, one human being would die under Trump who would not die under Biden or Harris, and the only cost of you voting for the Dem candidate is "I feel icky and morally compromised," I think that it's a no-brainer? To do otherwise is to say that your own moral warm fuzzies are more important than a human fucking life, and I think that's pretty fucking monstrous!

Why do you not care that, had Harris won, there would almost certainly be people around the world who are alive right now instead of dead? Why do their lives not matter? All so you can get this masturbatory sense of self-righteousness?

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u/Hilarial 2d ago

I'm not eligible to vote in US Elections so I am free to criticise Kamala's rightward shift without the crushing guilt of an uncast vote. I do vote in my home country's elections.

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u/Wise-Quarter-3156 2d ago

I am using "you" generically here, obviously

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u/Revegelance 1d ago

You don't think that killing a million people is worse than killing a thousand?

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u/Kaizodacoit 2d ago

The lesser evil is still evil. 2020 was a voted for thelesser evil as well and it directly led to Trump.

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u/DJ_Jungle 2d ago

But by definition it’s less evil. You don’t understand the choice was binary. By not voting you chose more evil.

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u/Kaizodacoit 2d ago

Prove that statement.

If there is a choice between choosing two evils, then why is not choosing either evil the worse evil?

Also, who are you to decide what the lesser evil is?

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u/DJ_Jungle 2d ago

Geez, it’s not the worst evil. If you not voting leads to the greater evil being in power, it’s equivalent to voting for the greater evil. It’s pragmatically the same.

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u/DJ_Jungle 2d ago

What are you talking about? Who’s the lesser evil from your perspective?

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u/idropepics 2d ago

Given the choice between starving and eating the so-called "dregs", you eat the food, because if wishes were horses more beggars would ride.

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u/Patient-Phone-1997 2d ago

Wow! Harris was undoubtedly the best candidate between the two! You people who don’t have critical thinking skills or maybe even an education are why we are here with a babbling buffoon in the office.

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u/VastSeaweed543 2d ago

Right??? The educated woman who was a lawyer then AG to the largest state then a senator then the VP was ‘a poor candidate’??? But the adjudicated rapist and convicted felon is not…I just…

This is what America wanted. We are getting what we voted for.

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u/Krosis97 2d ago

She was a poor candidate because she has a vagina and is not white.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 2d ago

Sadly true. Our country is far too bigoted to elect a woman.

We need a proper primary election of a popular Democratic candidate to win again. We're definitely going to choose a tall man, but it will work

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u/Krosis97 2d ago

As someone from europe I highly doubt you guys will ever get to vote again. Not without a violent insurrection, americans just feel....weak as hell, unable to protest and extremely uneducated and just plain lacking empathy. No wonder you guys are where you are now.

You have to be a weak, stupid little bitch to think trump is a hard man and even more to get him elected, thats not a problem that goes away in 4 years.

Better for everyone else though, that way the people here who used to like the us now see the light and our markets grow without world bully having a say on anything else forever.

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u/Fast-Noise4003 2d ago

I agree with most of what you're saying. That's why I've invested in a ton of foreign bonds

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u/wutfacer 2d ago

"For lunch I can choose between this steak and a literal pile of shit, but the steak looks kind of dry and doesn't come with sides, so maybe the shit would be fine instead? Who knows, I'll let somebody else decide for me"

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u/Artoy_Nerian 2d ago

Maybe Harris would have been better, maybe not... who knows.

In less than a year Trump has:

-threaten war to several countries including Canada, the closest Ally the USA has.

-commited economic suicide by starting a trade war with the country's closest trading partners

-put tariffs in every country in the world out of nowhere, something completely nuts

-Posted an AI video where he turns Gaza into a luxury beach resort with golden statues of him

-Destroyed the diplomatic credibility of the USA long term, even if the Dems win the next election by literal divine intervention that damage will stay.

-continues to destroy the political global hegemony of the USA

-in general eroding and destroying the democratic system and following project 2025

Can you tell me with genuine honesty Harris would have done even a single thing of all of this? Let alone manage to do worse.

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u/boabieG 2d ago edited 2d ago

Abstaining from a completely shallow choice between a party who represents a class of rich elites but kisses you before they f%k you and a party who represent a class of rich elites but spit in your face as they f%k you is as much a vote to say “I have no confidence in this broken system” as it is some sort of dereliction of duty. If you hold your nose and vote between two awful candidates you are just validating a sham system. The sooner the vast majority of people refuse to partake in this hollow charade, the sooner the system loses its legitimacy, and the sooner real alternatives might be allowed to emerge. It’s a s**t show, but I for one would rather see that than this dead donkey be dragged any further… it’s over. Let it die. Pleeeease, we can’t take it any more XD

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u/Revegelance 1d ago

Sure, but a lot of people are going to come to significant harm during that process, and their blood is on your hands.

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u/OrneryTRex 2d ago

So democrats are lazy when they need to exercise their democratic freedom?

I don’t think that’s the got ya that everyone seems to think it is