r/Oscars • u/Mania-Tic • Mar 03 '25
Discussion I'm baffled
Anora, winning all the awards it did , proves the point of The Substance if you think about it. Mikey Madison is a young newcomer in the industry while Demi Moore is an older and experienced actress that is being left aside... I'm more than disappointed. I'm MAD.
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u/GuyNoirPI Mar 03 '25
“This just proves The Substance was right” would carry a lot more weight if Michelle Yeoh, Francis McDormand and Renee Zellweger weren’t three of the five move recent wins (the latter for a movie no one saw or liked).
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u/playlikechampions Mar 03 '25
Not to mention Jamie Lee Curtis over Stephanie Hsu.. 😭
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u/TheRealMoofoo Mar 03 '25
I watched that after the awards and kept waiting for the part of the movie that would make it make sense why she won. Just never came. Like she was fine, but watching that in a vacuum I wouldn’t have guessed she’d even be nominated.
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u/PurposefullyOpaque Mar 03 '25
Angela Bassett went in with more momentum than Hsu (who didn’t win any precursors). And Bassett is the one who should have won actually (GG, CCA wins going in)… but yes, Hsu >>> Curtis for sure.
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u/VaultBoy9 Mar 03 '25
People like to latch on to narratives that validate their feelings
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u/Sufficient_Pizza7186 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Seriously - it's almost funny to watch people get so easily sucked into narratives that have little relation to the performances themselves. Demi was considered a longshot for the win until the Golden Globes, and she gave this great speech and suddenly it was almost a rule that she would win the Oscar, because we've been on this journey with her and her winning would be some kind of movie moment we can take part in.
We don't have a sentimental connection to Mikey, so it feels almost ... personal to some people? Like some stranger came in and took our moment. Or that it 'proves' the point of The Substance when the point of The Substance is that nobody was giving 50/60-something women great roles to begin with.
My number one choice was Fernanda Torres, though I accepted early on that there was almost no change and the nom was an award in itself). BUT imo Mikey had the next best performance and I think people who undervalue her performance do so precisely because she was so good and made it look effortless and real. Demi was amazing and I love her / am rooting for her career Renaissance to continue, but she was borderline supporting which can be a sticking point for voters. I can't believe anyone is actually MAD about this.
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u/GoOnKaz Mar 03 '25
Yep. People are acting like Mikey won the award because she was young which is fucking insane. She had a great performance. It may not have been their pick, but let’s not act like it was totally unfair and based on something other than her talent as an actress.
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u/dingleberry_mustache Mar 03 '25
Exactly. I won't lie; I wanted Demi to win. But I am absolutely not upset that Mikey won. I really enjoyed Anora.
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u/Nicobade Mar 03 '25
Just did the math, the average age of the last 10 best actress or best supporting actress winners before tonight was over 50 years old...It's just plain wrong for anyone to say the academy right now is biased against older actresses.
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u/Poerflip23 Mar 03 '25
Yeah the real reason it didn’t win is because it was a campy, gory, body horror movie, from the lineage of the French Cinema du Corps.
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u/JumpinJo1469 Mar 03 '25
This is the right answer. The Academy voters simply are not going to favor horror movies or the actors in them. I was surprised Demi got nominated (Deserved). Maybe that’s a positive step for the genre in general.
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u/hermanhermanherman Mar 03 '25
exactly. This sub has become insufferable with the stans. I feel like the substance (absolutely fantastic film) and wicked (another fantastic movie) being nominated actively drove the fauxmoi and popculture chat people to this sub and the oscarrace one and destroyed the discourse. I've had so many conversations with people here who can't actually dissect and discuss a film, but are really celebrity fans and not movie fans.
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u/Evangelion217 Mar 03 '25
True, I love Dune Part 2 and wish it got more love. But The Brutalist and Anora are also fantastic films.
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u/revpidgeon Mar 03 '25
Dune got shafted by the studio who moved it "because of the strike" but probably because of Oppenheimer. Nealy 12 months is an eternity in Hollywood terms for them to remeber.
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u/Nicobade Mar 03 '25
I hate this idea that because a film had a social message, the Oscars are being stupid by not picking the exact choice that aligns with that narrative. Same thing happened with Barbie last year, with voters accused of "missing the point" by not nominating Robbie or Gerwig. It's just disrespectful to the winners and every other film nominated to act like 1 film's exact message should supercede all other criteria.
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u/Disastrous_Narwhal46 Mar 03 '25
Exactly. People are using the movie’s message to gain sympathy for Demi’s performance, but Mikey won fair and square
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u/AdZealousideal5383 Mar 03 '25
For Judy? I saw that. The Oscar was definitely deserved.
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u/orboorgerly Mar 03 '25
Similar response I made on another thread but I don’t think the point of the substance was proven at all. Demi more hasn’t been left aside. She’s won a golden globe, the critics choice, sags, and got an Oscar nomination without having had the best performances this year, and from a horror film which the academy is known for shutting out. She has been 100% recognized for her work. This is even stronger given the fact that her claim for the award was all based on the narrative. The true best performances of the year were Mikey, Fernanda, and arguably Marianne Jean-Baptiste who was snubbed this awards season. I’m definitely glad the academy didn’t handout career awards this year and the acting awards instead went to the actual best performances.
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u/youre-too-online Mar 03 '25
You just named the 3 best performances for me too. Like those 3 actresses delivered a character from the inside out.
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u/JTS1992 Mar 03 '25
Same argument I made.
She won everything leading up to the Oscars. How is that being left aside?
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u/Natasha_Giggs_Foetus Mar 03 '25
No it doesn’t lol. Your reaction to it is the actual point of The Substance. You think that women’s age and attractiveness has a relationship to the quality (or recognition) of their work.
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u/HoudeRat Mar 03 '25
Can we stop acting like she's Glen Close? This was her first nomimation. She got nominated, won a SAG, won a Globe... not everyone gets an Oscar. In fact, there are a lot of actresses who have been in the business longer and have never won one. In fact, one was presenting with Scarlett Johansson tonight. Not everyone gets an Oscar! If they did, it wouldn't mean anything. Look, I've always liked Demi Moore, but she's Demi Moore. We're complaining that Demi Moore might never win an Best Actress Oscar. That wouldn't be the tragedy you're pretending it is.
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u/Teethy_BJ Mar 03 '25
Right nobody last year watched Emma Stone win and scoff like “I still can’t believe Demi Moore has never won one.” When in reality Glenn Close is 0/8? Moore was never known for her stellar performances. I hope she gets more moving forward but this narrative is insanity.
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u/olivebuttercup Mar 03 '25
I love Demi but she’s kind of a stiff, mediocre actress sometimes. Not someone you think “how does she not have an Oscar already?!” She did phenomenal in the Substance. I wouldn’t have been mad if she won. But Mikey Madison’s role was harder to pull off IMO and she nailed every aspect of that role.
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u/HeatedAlienSuperstar Mar 03 '25
But can we all agree that Adrien Brody gave the worst acceptance speech of all time.
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u/dazzler56 Mar 03 '25
I can’t get over the gum???? Like you knew your category was up and you kept it in your mouth the whole time they were going through the nominees and clips??
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u/Earthworm-Kim Mar 03 '25
the guy is literally insane, cut him some slack
watch his other acceptance speeches, interviews, SNL hosting, whatever
the guy does not know how to act in the real world, only on film
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u/imnotyourbud1998 Mar 03 '25
thats kind of the vibe I get from him. Great actor but socially inept outside of it. Idk if its the hollywood entitlement or if he’s just one of those people who never learned common sense because they’ve been so deep in the acting/art world for so long.
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u/GameOfLife24 Mar 03 '25
Think all the method acting does really impact him and how he carries himself
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u/Bookish-beauty Mar 03 '25
and even if you still have gum in your mouth, you swallow it not TOSS it on live television to your wife
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u/IllIIOk-Screen8343Il Mar 03 '25
Some people are still so weird about swallowing gum and think it’ll kill them
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u/HoudeRat Mar 03 '25
I honestly thought that he took out the gum because he was about to kiss Cillian Murphy, as a bit (like he did Halle Berry).
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u/elpaco25 Mar 03 '25
He played off the play off music. I was laughing my ass off when they actually shut it off for him to ramble on for another minute or two
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u/idkidcabtmyusername Mar 03 '25
he didn’t even have the worst of the night when u compare it to the best original song acceptance speech from the emilia perez composers 😩
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u/Academic-Ad2628 Mar 03 '25
Was it as bad as his first one when he grabbed Halle Berry unexpectedly and kissed her on the lips?
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u/Scdsco Mar 03 '25
I think minimizing the achievement of a talented actress to just being due to her age and appearance is kind of against the message of the movie as well.
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u/survivorstanjack Mar 03 '25
So just cause Demi is older means she deserved to win? You know anora and mikey’s performance was well received by critics? For me mikey was mountains better than Demi’s. Demi’s performance only shines in that second half of the movie while mikey was commanding from start to finish. An Oscar nomination is a win in itself as well, remember that.
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u/flofjenkins Mar 03 '25
What are you, a goldfish? A lot of middle aged actors have won best lead actress.
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u/Substantial-Fan-2148 Mar 03 '25
When it comes down to it, the Academy will only go so far for horror. Consider it a blessing The Substance even got those nominations.
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u/reddittothegrave Mar 03 '25
That’s exactly what I was going to say. The substance deserved so much more, but it is very close(or just is) to being a horror film. The Oscars do not recognize horror as a category it seems.
Great example, Toni Collette in Hereditary, absolutely deserved, at the very least, a nomination for her performance in that film. But it was overlooked because it is a horror film.
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u/silverscreenbaby Mar 03 '25
Toni being overlooked for Hereditary was criminal. I also think that Lily-Rose should have been nominated for Nosferatu because she was incredible in it—but again, horror, so her chances were always slim to none. It'll be really interesting to see if the Academy will slowly begin to change now that horror is having a huge renaissance lately, thanks to directors like Ari Aster, Jordan Peele, Robert Eggers, and more. I feel like they can't go on much longer with overlooking horror, given how arthouse and applauded horror movies are becoming with each passing year.
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u/Gordon_Goosegonorth Mar 03 '25
The academy will also only go so far for overwrought satire. Maybe that was the problem, more than the horror elements.
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u/pebrepalta Mar 03 '25
I agree. Shame that horror movies are often overlooked. Glad it was at least nominated, and did win a few Golden Globes (and maybe other awards but I've only watched those and the Oscars).
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u/NicholeTheOtter Mar 03 '25
I definitely suspected the anti-horror bias may have made an impact in Madison’s favor. The Academy is finally respecting animation by awarding its respective category to smaller films, they need to try and wake up with how good horror films can be and not just technical players.
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u/Nillavuh Mar 03 '25
Am I the only one here that was pulling for Fernanda Torres? She bore the entire weight of that film, a film that wasn't carried with any pizzazz or cinematic flair, just her own strength of character. One of the best actress performances I've seen in a very long time.
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u/Naive-Inside-2904 Mar 03 '25
It’s rare for an international feature to win an acting award but also many voters saw the movie late or most likely never got round to seeing it.
If they had she would’ve stood a better chance. But again Hollywood gonna stand for itself.
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u/Rlpniew Mar 03 '25
I do agree that I thought it was getting a bit of groundswell in recent weeks and that maybe if it had been another week or two she would have moved up into front runner status
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u/SweatyBook Mar 03 '25
Yeah, if people are going to pretend the vote was decided on meritocracy then Fernanda should have won
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u/Nillavuh Mar 03 '25
Completely agree with you. I think it's a lot harder to play a role with quiet dignity than it is to play a role where you lose your shit for an hour and a half.
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u/DarkPrincess_99 Mar 03 '25
It is a Fernanda Montenegro situation all over again
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u/Butterfly_Scape Mar 03 '25
I’d say Mikey was much more deserving of a winner than gwyneth though
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u/OpeningHot7391 Mar 03 '25
Honestly, she probably objectively was the best actress. Blew me away. Can’t stop thinking about her performance. She or Demi would have been my two winners
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u/SteelersFan722 Mar 03 '25
Exactly while I thought Demi was great, the argument for her was more of a lifetime thing imo. Torres was simply fantastic and in my personal opinion gave the best performance this year
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u/dd0028 Mar 03 '25
Yeah. Unequivocally an all-time performance. Sadly, a good chunk of the academy likely didn’t even see the film.
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u/Enryu_RT Mar 03 '25
Be angry, since you can't even differentiate between the mssg in the substance vs what happened tonight. The substance's mssg certainly wasnt about young talents winning through sheer acting brilliance, talent and hardwork being wrong. No one said because you are older then you should win.
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u/Teethy_BJ Mar 03 '25
This is what I’m saying, if the age aspect was your only take away then I think the film flew over your head.
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u/OwnerOfHam Mar 03 '25
Thank you! It's not like Mikey won just for being young. A lot of people actually think she was extremely good in her role (shocker)
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u/draginbleapiece Mar 03 '25
People acting like Demi Moore is going to die tomorrow. Like come on. Also older actresses win all the fucking time, Michelle Yeoh and Jamie Lee Curtis won the actress awards their year and they are on the older side.
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Mar 03 '25
You really want the voters to be like “oh let’s give it to Demi because she’s older”? That’s crazy.
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u/snackmantis Mar 03 '25
Weird that you have to undermine Mikey's win like this.
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u/silverscreenbaby Mar 03 '25
Literally lol. How do you watch a movie like The Substance and then decide that Mikey only won because she's young and hot? That's incredibly misogynistic. PLENTY of young and hot actresses do not win Best Actress—don't even come close, really. Mikey won fair and square because she did a phenomenal job playing Anora.
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u/kmed1717 Mar 03 '25
The entire movie of Anora revolves around the reaction of Mikey Madison to what’s happening to her. Demi Moore is technically the lead of The Substance, but half of the character is literally a different actress. Mikey had way more to do in Anora, the right actress won.
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u/komorebi09 Mar 03 '25
It's interesting to hear that sentiment. Many people on this subreddit have expressed similar opinions, even though most believe Ellen Burstyn should have won the Academy Award for Best Actress for her role in Requiem for a Dream (2000) instead of Julia Roberts, who won for Erin Brockovich (2000). Roberts carried her film, while Burstyn was part of an ensemble cast.
The same argument applies to Olivia Colman in The Favourite (2018); many commenters were happy to see her win even though her role was technically a supporting one, as she had less screen time than both Emma Stone and Rachel Weisz, who were nominated for Best Supporting Actress.
And don't get me started on Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of the Lambs (1991)!
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u/nontoxicbloke Mar 03 '25
Interestingly, the average age of Best Actress winners over the last 25 years is 40. Of the last 25 years, only 7 actresses under 30 won Best Actress. Increasingly, the age of Best Actress winners has been trending upwards over the last 30+ years.
While The Substance was thought-provoking and relevant, it does not appear relevant to Best Actress winners at the Oscars.
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u/OnMyKneesForJace Mar 03 '25
so if the substance hadn’t come out and demi was in a different movie, would you be saying the same? stop acting like “oh spooky youngsters are taking the win” as if michelle yeoh wasn’t a recent win. what is it with people like you saying this was demi’s only chance at ever winning anything? she literally just popped back into fame and y’all are whining and crying over how she “has short time left” in her career as if she’s dying next week. bffr.
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u/Financial_Cry7167 Mar 03 '25
So Demi is more deserving purely because she's older and more experienced?
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u/TaraOrtega Mar 03 '25
Mikey Madison learned how to dance, new accents, and stepped so far out of her comfort zone for this. She deserved it
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u/InterestingBench3 Mar 03 '25
It’s wild seeing how demure and soft spoken Mikey is during her speeches and then contrasting how bold and powerful she seems in Anora. A true performance
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u/Neat_Fan_8889 Mar 03 '25
She created Anora! It was not an easy role, as those who minimize Mikey's hooker performance would like to claim.
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u/spicywatermoon Mar 03 '25
She also learned Russian
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u/Scdsco Mar 03 '25
She didn’t, but she did study the diction and pronunciation to the point that some Russian speakers who saw the movie said she sounded like a fluent speaker. It probably helped that basically all of her costars spoke Russian and could coach her.
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u/spikemonkeys Mar 03 '25
you guys were making post like this. You guys can never be happy with anything
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u/Brinewielder Mar 03 '25
Im happy my favorite film won. Lot of shit talk on Anora on Reddit.
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u/Parmesan_Pirate119 Mar 03 '25
It's only getting worse now that it officially won lol
New year, same story. An amazing film comes out, people love it, it does well on awards, people hate it. EEAAO is a prime example.
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u/KingCobra567 Mar 03 '25
Can we stop politically preaching about Oscar wins based off superficial politics? It’s annoying. It gives off “the academy proved the point of the barbie movie by excluding Margot Robbie from a best picture nomination while nominating Ryan Gosling for a totally different category”. Again, as the comments have pointed out, Michelle Yeoh won 2 years ago.
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u/Fast-Candle-2344 Mar 03 '25
No, Mikey just gave a better performance and the AMPAS went with meritocracy over narrative—good on them!
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u/SteelersFan722 Mar 03 '25
If we want to go by performance, then I felt it personally had to go to Torres who carried the weight of one of the most moving films I’ve seen. End of the day there is so much politics and behind the scenes with awards of this nature
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u/Lacabloodclot9 Mar 03 '25
Yeah the ‘give it to veteran’ mentality is always how these cycles start, and I’m a fan of Moore
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u/Trytobebetter482 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
As great as Demi is in The Substance, it is a bit of shared performance with Margaret. Mikey is Anora, start to finish, the film is entirely reliant on her character and performance.
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u/orca2877 Mar 03 '25
Man shut up😭😭 2017 - Frances mcdormand 2018 - Olivia Colman 2019 - Renee Zellweger 2020 - Frances mcdormand x2 2022 - Michelle yeoh
Literally 5 of the last 7 winners are over 50, just accept mikey was incredible and deserved it even if there were other equally brilliant performances
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u/BakerPuzzled7881 Mar 03 '25
Agree with the irony, but man I just did not feel like Demi Moore gave an Oscar winning performance in the film, at least compared to Mikey Madison.
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u/video-kid Mar 03 '25
I'm fine with her win, although I was really rooting for Demi here. What annoys me is that this year there seems to have been a real tribe mentality going on, and I saw some (thankfully few) people actively celebrating Demi's loss when Mikey's name got called. I don't think that's fair at all. Tonight is a celebration of the industry, but too many people were willing to think Demi's nomination was purely because of her narrative which is ridiculously unfair.
It feels to an extent that Demi was treated as the villain ever since KSG lost her damn mind, and people were so set on her being an "undeserved" winner purely by virtue of being the frontrunner that it's soured things to an extent.
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u/PettyFlap Mar 03 '25
Seeing how Mikey speaks in person compared to literally all her performances (scream, OUATIH, Anora), you’d understand how deserving she is…
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u/Ok_Purpose7401 Mar 03 '25
Yes, cuz there is absolutely no other reason that Mickey would have won other than her being younger
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u/crushhaver Mar 03 '25
This would make sense if Anora wasn’t about anything meaningful and Madison did not give a brilliant performance. The problem is it was and she did. Anora deserved.
The Substance on the other hand….well, I’ve ranted in this and other Oscars subs at length about how much I hated that movie.
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u/Russell-The-Muscle Mar 03 '25
I genuinely don’t in the Anora love. It felt like a Gen Z MTV films . Did it it move ? Did it challenge ? Was it a unique story told in a surprising way ? I really think this movie will fade in to oblivion bin a few years
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u/Ginaraquel47 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
I agree. I would have picked most of the Best Films over this one. And I am a Gen Xer, the same age as Baker. I love indie films but it felt very overrated to me. I would have picked Fernanda to win best actress but most people haven’t seen the movie yet.
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u/PhasmaUrbomach Mar 03 '25
I'm Gen X and Anora was my favorite movie of last year.
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u/Calebthenorman Mar 03 '25
I certainly agree that by Mikey winning, The Substance is even more relevant. I Absolutely loved The Substance and wished it got more awards. That being said, I watched Anora just before the awards, and am not suprised it ended up winning. The Substance, Anora & Nickle Boys all should have won best picture lol.
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u/pwolf1771 Mar 03 '25
Considering members of the academy admit they don’t even watch all the films is this really that surprising?
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u/nomnomnom1345 Mar 03 '25
It’s the roles. Anora is a juicier character performance role. Demi was amazing and deserves a lifetime oscar. But Ani, as a role, just had a lot more to mine in terms of nuance and character. Also consider that horror is not a favorite in awards, being nominated alongside drama is already huge given the age of most academy voters.
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u/Idk_Very_Much Mar 03 '25
Michelle Yeoh, Frances McDormand, and Jessica Chastain all won in the last few years, did they not?
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u/BlackDog5287 Mar 03 '25
I would have liked to have seen Demi win it, but it's an Oscar tradition to dismiss horror. Mia Goth, Toni Collette, etc. all deserved nominations, and probably a win or two.
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u/Separate_Feeling4602 Mar 03 '25
I like Demi Moore and the substance but if im being honest , I do wonder if that performance was all Demi and half Demi half make up and special fx
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u/Knox_Burden Mar 03 '25
Proves?! It seems you're implying that a performance from a younger actress could not merit a win. Demi and Substance had to win, otherwise the only explanation could be ageism? That would be a silly notion if that's what you're saying here.
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u/MyManTheo Mar 03 '25
You can’t just use what you believe the point of the substance was to basically assert that young women aren’t allowed to win best actress.
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u/Stoltlallare Mar 03 '25
For me it’s not about whether it proves or not, I was just excited a genre was getting highlighted but a bit dissapointed since the things that won were very in line with what Oscars usually rewards. That’s not to say they aren’t good actors or anything, just dissapointed they didn’t reward something outside of their comfort zone.
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u/f_l_y_g_o_n Mar 03 '25
Demi gave the best performance of her career. Mikey gave the best performance of the year! The only one coming close was Fernanda Torres (who was incredible), but Demi’s performance wasn’t nearly as broad nor as detailed as Mikey’s. I would have loved for Demi to have won but let’s be realistic, she was Great in a good movie whereas Mikey was Incredible in a Fantastic movie.
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u/ForgetfulLucy28 Mar 03 '25
The Academy loves young ingenues. They give out so many Oscar’s to young women who never get nominated again, and then once a woman is old she can nominated half a dozen times and not win.
They make the men wait though.
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u/stringfellow-hawke Mar 03 '25
She carried every scene in the movie. Anyone who votes Anora best picture logically would vote for her as best actress.
Torres was my pick, but I’m not mad about this at all. Madison was my second pick, was great, and deserves it.
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u/Teethy_BJ Mar 03 '25
This is the most dramatic, cringe post coming out of the results of last night. If your main take away from the Substance was the age aspect and not Hollywood as a whole, idk what to tell you. They give out sympathy awards left and right. They just couldn’t ignore Anora’s legacy this year. Enough of the coping both Demi and Mikey deserved to win, but there is only one trophy.
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u/guitarguy35 Mar 03 '25
Honestly, I thought Fernanda Torres deserved it.
I think demi's performance was the 4th best of the group frankly.
I would have ranked my top 4..
Fernanda Mikey Cynthia Demi
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u/Inside_Atmosphere731 Mar 03 '25
Demi had no narrative. That was created by the media. She was in a couple of 90s hits, then spent 30 years collecting checks and making lame films. She was not exactly a venerated actress. She turned out to be Mickey Rourke and Sylvester Stallone
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u/tommyjohnpauljones Mar 03 '25
There were a few hundred Oscar eligible films released this year, almost all of which had a lead actress. Only five were nominated, and she was one of them. That's a great honor and anyone in Hollywood knows it.
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u/bikesandhoes79 Mar 03 '25
Madison’s performance was better and she deserves to win. Legacy Oscars shouldn’t be a thing.
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u/Capybara_99 Mar 03 '25
Or it could be that the younger person gave the better performance. Is there a reason Demi Moore never won an Oscar when she was a younger person? Maybe it isn’t just age.
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u/Recent-Feedback-6531 Mar 03 '25
The substance just wasn’t very good. Amazing practical effects! But the story itself makes very little sense. A former star reduced to day time aerobics takes the substance to regain her fame, and the way she does that is day time aerobics? What? Is this the Richard Simmons story?
If they don’t share a consciousness what does Demi Moore even get out of it?
The bad guy is a producer named HARVEY
And to take from Esther’s letterboxd review an excellent description of just how stupid the movie thinks it’s audience is
“the person who alerts moore to the existence of the substance is this good looking young doctor with a prominent birthmark that we see in a handful of close-ups, so we’re sure to remember it. later in the movie, moore encounters an old man in a diner. here are the ways that the movie clues us in to the fact that this old man is both on the substance, and also the same as the young doctor:
1 ) he makes insightful comments about the experience of being on the substance2) we get a close-up of the birthmark which we saw earlier3) we get a flashback to the young doctor and his birthmark4) he drops the numbered keycard which lets someone into the substance delivery mailroom4) when he bends down to grab the keycard we see that he has the scar caused by use of the substance”
Just a bad story. Didn’t deserve to win. Moores performance was bold, and I appreciate her nomination is separate from the film being poor, but I’m not going to understand anyone being upset by a bad movie not getting more awards. Incredible effects though, it deserved the makeup win for sure.
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u/PriestOfTheOldGods Mar 03 '25
Meanwhile Fernanda Torres, who might have had the best performance of the year, period, is not even being considered by most people.
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u/workadaywordsmith Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Another Oscars, another “the Oscars suck because the movie/actor I personally like didn’t win” take
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u/JhinPotion Mar 07 '25
Mikey Madison winning the Oscar doesn't prove the point of The Substance. You acting like this was somehow Demi's last chance does.
Having seen both, I just think Mikey Madison had the better performance.
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u/Robnalt Mar 03 '25
Demi isn’t really in the movie that much. Mikey is in basically every scene, and the movie lives and dies on her performance carrying us through it
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u/Artistic-Ad1532 Mar 03 '25
WHAT? She was in many scenes and that movie was well over 2 hours long.
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u/scaryb3tty Mar 03 '25
AND she FEROCIOUSLY did all of that physical scene work with margaret qualey IN THAT MAKEUP!!! I am so sad about demi not winning :(
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u/skylight03 Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Oscars have a long history of awarding Best Actress the hot, young actress while the opposite for Best Actor.
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u/texaspsychosis Mar 03 '25
Michelle Yeoh, Frances McDormand (x2), Renée Zellweger, and Olivia Colman would like a word.
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u/rosemary-mair-for-NZ Mar 03 '25
I think Mikey Madison won because she gave a better performance than Demi Moore
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u/FUCKFASCISTSCUM Mar 03 '25
It does not prove the point of The Substance, this is completely dismissing Mikey Madison and all the effort and hard work she put into a great role.
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u/quedas Mar 03 '25
Why all the negativity in the comments? Towards both actresses. Such great performances by all of them and all you can muster is bitterness. Take a cue from the winner and try to show some love.
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u/hhardin19h Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25
Demi moore was never a good actress yall are really believing oscar hype… she made beloved but often bad movies for 30 years… she’s pretty and cries well and stayed in mostly light romantic drama. She was never Glenn Close, Helen Mirrenl Judi Dench or other actors actors. She made snoozies mostly. Please dont believe Demi‘s PR hype machine . She is not unsung or “deserving” lol thankfull, the Academy did the right thing here and chose to remember her many bad films and rightfully award someone else. Demi should be happy with her nomination that was more than expected given her carerer as a whole tbh
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u/snow-eats-your-gf Mar 03 '25
So, then, a Russian prostitute, Anora, is overkill😂 and Judi Dench cries in the corner.
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u/ReasonableCoyote34 Mar 03 '25
Demi moore was never a good actress yall are really believing oscar hype
This. I like her, but there’s a reason the golden globes was the first time she ever won an award for anything
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u/Parmesan_Pirate119 Mar 03 '25
Honestly, I think all the narrative people have around Demi's loss proves the point of The Substance. What's with this "this was her only chance", "the Academy can never award her again"? Like what?? She just had a resurgence of a lifetime. She certainly can get back there and go all the way with the right performance. So she lost this time. Why does that have to be the end? Can't we appreciate performances of older women too?