r/PakLounge • u/SchoolOk9625 • 20h ago
I dont get it?
why would pakistan ever send their own troops on Palestinian lands to fight a war that is not of our COUNTRY’s own. what is this propaganda?
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u/Mockingbird_2 19h ago
Why America is along with Israel in this War? Why America is sending their equipment and funding to another country's war.
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u/wh40k_heretic 16h ago
Coz AIPAC
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u/faragbanda 15h ago
Don’t hide it behind an org, why does it exist?
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u/imgrenade_ 12h ago
Evangelical Christian Zionism? The belief that creation of Israel will usher the return of Jesus and the end of the world.
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u/Patches-621 10h ago
Oh that's the name for it ? I just knew there was a prophecy, didn't know there was a cult too.
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u/imgrenade_ 9h ago
It’s not necessarily a cult. It’s just a religious sect that believes that they must support Israel’s control over all the land between the Jordan river and the Mediterranean Sea cause they think that Jesus will come then.
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u/Patches-621 9h ago
That's exactly what a cult does. Unquestionable faith in something that will bring about the end of times.
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u/Patches-621 10h ago
There are a few reasons. One is that Israel owns trump and most if not all us politicians, and another is that the conservative leaders of that country are trying to bring about the end of the world because they're so desperate to not die at the hands of a revolution that is inevitable. There's something written in the bible about how when the Jews have their independent state Jesus will come and mark the end of times, and just like the Nazis these people are resorting to using the occult or religion to keep themselves in power.
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 18h ago
They have bases and can do a lot in the Middle East with a friendly country. Also many Jews live in America and have a huge effect on the politics
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u/StraightUpHaram 9h ago
Because Pakistan has nuclear power, people in Pakistan seem to think we're some superpower in the world.
Meanwhile, in reality, we're going around begging for money with a crippled economy. The real superpowers of the Muslim world, the Arabs are not even opposing US or Israel.
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 4h ago
The Arabs cannot stand up to Israel most of the time let alone a fully united NATO force. Some of the Arab states would even join the U.S.A if it came to it, I imagine.
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u/guystupido 14h ago
why is america not failing to be effective (and evil). pakistan very based for not helping
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u/MemeTheif321 20h ago
Bhi, kabhi Muslim bhi chare ke bare me koi hadees ya Islamiat ki koi class li he?
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u/beastboyashu 5h ago
Nah he's just a selfish prick that would rather innocent children die then lift his lazy ass up
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u/dasignore 19h ago
Yk you weren’t a mistake of evolution you’re its apology letter to mediocrity. A mind so void even silence sounds brilliant beside you
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u/Due-Toe2195 16h ago
Did you write that yourself
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u/dasignore 16h ago
Nah someone said it to a while ago😂😂😂
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u/Due-Toe2195 16h ago
Righty righty,I try to write myself and especially trying to make up some quotes these days but I guess I am not that accomplished atleast yet
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u/Dry_Jury7394 20h ago
It's like saying why would i save a man dying on the roadside when it's not my life that is at stake.
Your life is not only yours, similarly, Pakistan as a muslim country has the obligation to help its muslim brothers and sisters in Gaza and all around the globe. And for a minute, let's take religion out of this. Even without religion, it is our duty to help others and be selfless. Khud mein jeena koi zindagi nhi hai
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u/ArcadianArcana 18h ago
Its more like asking why would I try to save a man dying on the roadside when i am dying myself, can't help myself much, and have nothing to offer.
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u/0zi1 16h ago
But why specifically a Palestinian man? Why not Yemeni bombed by other Arab Muslims? Why not Iraq (because they are Shia). Do you get the hypocrisy os your statement? Why not Baloch? Why not save safaid posh person you know who is struggling financially but wont ask for help because of dignity? Look inwards first before going out to help others.
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u/Ok_Cantaloupe_1171 19h ago
Getting run over by a truck(US or Israel) while saving him isn't good either
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u/Turbulent_Money_1877 9h ago
Yeh actually,
If I have two armed guards pointing a gun on my head with one of em keeping my hands and feet chained restricting my movement, how will I help that person when I myself need help?
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u/Standard_Yam_826 20h ago
There’s this screenshot of a rare insult going around which really applies here -
‘Sorry to ask you a personal question but were you homeschooled by a pigeon?’
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u/Usama4745 19h ago
Just a slavery mindset otherwise muslims are very powerful if we deal everything properly and with good diplomacy
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u/unhinged-idiot 18h ago edited 18h ago
“Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter.” – Martin Luther King
Now, Let’s be real for a second and think rationally. A lot of people online throw around dramatic solutions like “Nuke Israel, Go to war," like it’s a video game. It’s not. Nuking a country might sound satisfying in a rage fueled WhatsApp group, but it’s not a solution, it’s mass murder. Thousands of innocent people would die, including the very Palestinians we’re trying to stand up for. Not to mention, it would instantly turn Pakistan into a global pariah. We’d be hit with worldwide sanctions, diplomatic isolation, and possibly destroyed in retaliation. We're not a superpower. We’re not America. We can't get away with things like that.
And let’s talk logistics, our military has no reach there. No bases, no foothold. Are we going to set up shop in Egypt? Not happening. Jordan? Forget it. Even if we did try something, Israel isn’t some weak state, it’s backed heavily by the U.S., with far superior technology, intelligence, and allies. Going to war with Israel is basically going to war with the US. And I promise you, no one’s coming to save us. We'd be alone in a war we cannot win.
But that doesn’t mean we’re helpless. Our voices matter. Our government can and should speak out more forcefully on international platforms. We can continue to support Palestinians with humanitarian aid, raise awareness, and organize peaceful protests. Pressure and solidarity do make a difference, history has proven that. Silence isn't an option. But blind aggression isn’t the answer either.
Not take a screen shot of this and send it to all those groups.
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u/ArcadianArcana 17h ago
You've raised good points that are very helpful to the overly emotional people here.
However, the options at the end is where you lost me. While I do get that this is up to our will if we choose to help or not. I was wondering, how about we help ourselves?
Our country is terrible in every way and in dire need of our attention, and we're still focusing on foreign problems. This doesn't mean what's happening to them isn't wrong but this attitude can't continue, there is a saying that in order to change the world you must first change yourself.
And this problem in us isn't recent, in colonial times when we were being oppressed by the British, muslims here were still crying about the end of the Khilafat and concerned with that more.
When will we begin to focus on the problems here?
In case you ask what problems:
- Economic Instability
- Poverty and Unemployment
- Energy Crisis
- Illiteracy
- Women's rights: honor killings, domestic abuse, etc
- Poor Health Infrastructure
- Overpopulation
- Social Inequality: large gaps between the rich and poor.
- Climate Vulnerability: floods, droughts, etc.
- Extremism and Terrorism
- Blasphemy laws and the treatment of minorities
- Political Instability
- Regional Tensions
I'm not saying all can be fixed, but these problems are causing innocent people to die here, and our attention is else where.
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u/unhinged-idiot 6h ago
You’re right that we have serious issues at home that demand our attention, economic instability, poverty, illiteracy, and so much more. We need to focus on fixing these, but raising our voice for Palestine or any humanitarian crisis won’t ruin us. Humanitarian aid won’t break us either. We may not be able to directly win their war, but we can certainly help feed the innocent and show that we stand for justice and the right side of history.
Turning our backs on global issues isn’t wise. If we don't stand for others when they’re suffering, who will stand for us when we need help? Our own problems don’t mean we should ignore the world around us. At the same time, improving our country is crucial, because only when we fix our own house can we have a real voice on international platforms.
And yeah, we do need to fix our problems let's start by educating our kids on what's important. I believe in my generation, we will hand over the upcoming generations a better Pakistan. At least I am doing my part.
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u/LabCrafty899 18h ago
THISS,but unfortunately rational thinking is illegal in Pakistan so most of them won't still get this
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u/Sweet_Werewolf_278 6h ago
Wars aren't always fought to achieve materialistic benefits sometimes you have to suffer short term losses for long term sustainability and gains,if we keep in mind your point then in that case Iran would have been sent back to stone ages after all these sanctions by United States but they are still surviving and are in better condition than our country even after these much sanctions they are exporting millions of barrels of oil to China who don't give an F to American threats, Israeli PM openly said that he wants the US to attack Iran but they can't do it because they know it's not Iraq and Afghanistan where they could just carry out carpet bombing and destroy their infrastructure. Iranians know how to play their cards that's why they have actively engaged Israel and America by proxies in Yemen and Lebonan..Iran isn't even a nuclear power and they don't even have a technologically superior Air force but still they are a threat to Israeli and American hegemony in the region because they know how to deal with their enemy and furthermore Russians and Chinese are facing the same threat so they are backing them especially Russia providing air defense system S-400.. Now compare Pakistan with Iran we are technologically superior to them but still we are afraid to take the initiative. So it's the matter of how much you understand your enemy and his weakness and how you exploit that weakness to achieve your objectives.
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u/hasansid158 11h ago
Read about the battle of Badr. You'll understand that numbers don't matter when you stand up for the orders of Allah even if you are alone.
“the victory lies not in the number of men, but it lies in the help of Allah (SWT)” -Khalid bin Waleed
And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allāh and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper"?
Qur'an - 4:75
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u/unhinged-idiot 6h ago
I didn’t want to go here, but we need to face the hard truth. Faith in Allah is powerful, but it’s not a military strategy. You can’t win a war with belief alone when your enemy has nukes, fighter jets, and drones. The Battle of Badr might’ve been a victory, but it was fought with swords and camels, not modern military tech. We don’t even know if what’s written in the books about Badr is fully accurate, history is shaped by the victors, and it’s passed down with bias. So, hanging our hopes on that ancient story to win a modern war? It’s delusion. Also, they were being lead by a prophet himself, who was best of them all and the prophet's that came before, you can't expect for the new world leaders to be that brave and pious. We don't have Muhammad PBUH now. We don't have that kind of wisdom.
Now, let’s talk about Israel. Pakistan could be a formidable force, but let’s be real: Israel has powerful allies, the US, UK, Australia, and many more, all armed to the teeth. Their nuclear arsenal alone is enough to obliterate us. If we go to war, and let's say we manage to overpower Israel, the US military will destroy us before we even know what hit us. It’s not just about Israel, we’d be fighting the combined might of some of the world’s most powerful countries. What chance do we stand?
Muslim unity sounds good, but it’s just a dream. And even some sort of coalition happens, we're the only ones with nuclear arsenal, most Muslim countries don't even have a good enough military. Also, The Middle East survives on oil, and they’re selling it to the same countries that support Israel. We can’t win a war with no resources, no defense, and no real alliances. And we know where their loyalties reside.
But here’s what stings the most, Allah’s justice doesn’t add up. He destroyed the people of Lut for homosexuality, a sin that honestly, I don’t believe is worthy of annihilation. Two men loving each other and the punishment was total destruction? with fire raining down from the sky. Yet, today, we have genocide, with innocent men being slaughtered, mass ra*e of women and children being slaughtered in Palestine, and where’s the divine intervention? Why doesn’t Allah act now, when the world is literally watching as entire populations are wiped out? Why is homosexuality punished with annihilation, but genocide is allowed to continue unchecked? If Allah’s supposed to be the one who punishes injustice, then why has he blindsided a whole genocide? Why isn't Palestine victorious already, because the world be my witness they are fighting like hell!
I have faith, yes, but it doesn’t change the brutal truth. We can pray all we want, but faith won’t stop a missile or a nuclear bomb. We need military strength, resources, and alliances, or we will be wiped out. Faith is powerful, but it won’t win us a war against forces with the ability to erase entire countries from the map. It’s a harsh reality, but we need to accept it.
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u/Expensive_Put6875 16h ago
MLK was a zionist and supported israel
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u/unhinged-idiot 6h ago
I just used a quote man. Yeah, I could've used a better one but I don't know many.
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u/Abk545 19h ago
Tbh this is such a braindead take. Pakistan can't launch a nuclear attack on Israel. Why? Because then the people you're trying to save will also be toast. Nuclear weapons don't differentiate enemy from friendly. Pakistan can't send fighetr jets either. Why? Israel is too far away. You'll need a base near Israel to operate from and you'll be cooked before you even take off because we all know the air defence capabilities of nearby friendly countries is trash. You also can't send soldiers and heavy artillery because of the same reason. Their airforce is gonna fry us without actual air defence.
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 16h ago
Also israel is a nuclear armed nation, pakistan would be turning itself into a nuclear wasteland for absolutely no benefit
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u/pickonepicktwo 14h ago
No, Israel would never dare to retaliate against Pakistan and potentially anger Iran, China etc
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 12h ago
...what?
If your country is nuked at that point all you can do is take the other nation down with you (M.A.D, it's literally in the name, the destruction is mutual), there's no angering another country because after your retaliation you won't exist anymore.
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u/tomcruisemiss1le 8h ago
THIS, people always bring pakistan into this without realizing no neighbouring country is gonna cooperate enough to give you a base.
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u/Sweet_Werewolf_278 6h ago
So how were Iranians able to strike the bases in Israel when they sent missiles and drones i know they boast so much about their military tech but technologically inferior Soviet era missiles manufactured by Iran were able to bypass their complex air defense system and inflict damage even Houthi's missiles and drones are landing in Tel-Aviv so what's your excuse?
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u/Abk545 5h ago
I didn't say anything about missles. Yeah, you can launch missles against Israel only to get sanctioned left, right and centre from the rest of the world. Too bad you're not Iran who can withstand all these sanctions.
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u/Sweet_Werewolf_278 5h ago
No superpower except America has sanctioned Iran but you are right we have to grow a spine.
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u/ReaperPlaysYT 4h ago
we did before because the arab militaries are beyond bad and our fighter pilots were feared over occupied Palestinian land
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u/No_Mulberry1214 4h ago
Ek kaam karo, sb weaponry aur arsenel ko ghr par frame krke lagaado. Atleast taareef to ho jaayegi.
Aur dhhakkan, Israel ka jahaaz hum already giraa chuke hein Arab war ke andar, abhi haalat tight hojaati amreekan ke saamne khare hone se
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u/Difficult-Ninja6400 19h ago
Just a litlle hadith for this: "None of you believe until he wants for his brother what he wants for himself" No think where are you standing according to this hadith.
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u/bekaarinsan 18h ago
I used to think how could all of the Muslims and Kufi let yazeed slaughter the family of Prophet and even after he remained the ruler. Yet again, the whole Muslim world are being Kufi..
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u/lockerno177 19h ago edited 5h ago
Pakistani muslim's perspective about Islam
1. Namaz sometimes
2. Roza because peer pressure
3. Hajj/Umra to flex on relatives
4. Skip everything else in Quran
5. Jihad
Muslims, If you think this is islam then be ready for a spanking when you die.
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u/Sweet_Werewolf_278 6h ago
Majority of the people don't even know what jihad is so that's the wrong priority list as mentioned before me having multiple wives is now one if the main priority
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u/Horrorladx 9h ago
People lacks empathy now a day's, I'll never forget what is happening in gaza , how People are dead with no head or in pieces, how kids died because of no food or in cold. How People flew in sky when they fired a missle, and most importantly I'll never forgive Muslims in other countries who couldn't do bare minimum to support them , all you care what should pakistan army fight their fight
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u/Turbulent_Money_1877 9h ago edited 9h ago
Ykw alright
Let's assume tomorrow morning Pakistan declares war on Israel.
The first thing we'll face is a naval blockade from the US and India, and our navy is not strong enough to break it up.
Due to the blockade, no exports (no foreign exchange), no oil (so forget about fueling your military vehicles) and no oil means insane mehengai, which maybe y'all sitting in your ac houses can afford, but our normal middleclass and lower class's already broken back can not carry that weight. And due to no fuel coming into the country, any type of internal activity will slow down or stop.
Aik brief sa idea hogya on what can happen economically?, Chalo or possibilities btata.
The state of Pakistan is already facing two rebel armies, i.e the Bla and TTP, both of these are supported by our neighbors as we all know. Incase of declaring war on Israel the US will directly support their cause, and any secretive aid/help they are getting will be purely direct, just like India supported Multi bahini, they can support BLA. So here's a great risk of having the country's recourse rich area under rebel forces, i.e also more than 50% of the land mass probably.
And how can we forget our lovely neighbors? India would definitely jump in and get back Kashmir, Afghanistan will also jump in to complete their Durand line dream, and maybe Iran will too try to get a piece of Balochistan.
So yeah, I don't think it's rational to go to war with Israel, and if any of y'all brought battle of badr then please I must beg, give me 5 similarities between the battle of Badr and going to war for Gaza. Except being the weaker side.
Saw someone say ke koi Banda pyas se marrha hoga to aap ose pyas se Marne doge? Nhi Marne donga, but agar mere sar per 2 loug bandooq taan kar khare honge or aik ne mujhe zanjeeron SE bandha hoga, to men kaise pilaonga?
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u/Sensitive_Thanks_604 19h ago
Why are these people obsessed with bringing up Pakistans name every second like come on now, we have so much shit going on, why should we focus on this although i do feel for them.
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u/dasignore 19h ago
U weren't born cuz u were the fastest u were born on technicality cuz rest of em committed suicide
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u/Loud-Warning-8953 19h ago
Why would you want to annex Kashmir when they are demanding freedom from both sides?
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u/WoodenAct1389 19h ago
no one can do shit sadly. even if all muslims came together they wouldnt be able to do anything. A war with israel is a war with america and america is just too strong.
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u/Outside_Advantage799 17h ago
even if all muslims came together they wouldnt be able to do anything.
Not that it's gonna happen but in the extremely unlikely event that the Muslim world does decide to take action, It is a very big possibility that we can get an independent Palestinian state at the very least.
Not everything requires military war. America doesn't exist in isolation , it also needs trade and resources to function properly.
The Muslims world has a hegemony on oil production , we also have strong trade relations with the rest of the world.
America needs oil and other resources to survive. The entire Muslim world cutting off ties would destroy the American economy. On top of all that, the other Israeli supporters like the British and French etc would also back off in their support for the Israelis.
The Muslim world has alternative trading partners like China which is another emerging superpower. America doesn't have this luxury. They can't find other countries that can supply oil and natural gas at the rate that the Muslim world does.
So either America will bow down to our demands or they'll destroy themselves.
Of course non of this is happening in real life cause all the Muslim nations are divided and they don't really care what happens to other Muslim nations.
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u/WoodenAct1389 17h ago
Everyone in the comments was flaming our govt for not doing anything militarily. So I was also speaking in that regard only.
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u/Substantial-Light280 9h ago
Wrong. Which is more powerful, america or Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala? It says in Surah Ar-Ra'd - 11 "Indeed, Allah would never change a people’s state ˹of favour˺ until they change their own state ˹of faith˺". it's the lack of faith from the Muslim ummah that stops us from coming together. In reality, if we were to believe and come together, we would have victory in sha Allah
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u/PsychologicalYam3602 17h ago
Help KPK, Balochistan, Sindh, AK first. It will be told that inspite of having a lumber wan army with supposed nuclear capability, its people are revolting against its own army and establishment. It will also be told that those who are not revolting are too busy sympathizing (atleast pretending to) with arab causes while their own countrymen suffer.
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u/Nxghtmare84 13h ago
Nuke Israel?Will take out all of Palestine as well,as well as thousands of Egyptians,Jordanians,Lebanese etc,and then Pakistan will get nuked back and we will all be dead too.That is if the nukes even land and aren’t intercepted by highly advanced US made SAM systems like THAAD or Patriot. Send troops?where?how?No country in the middle east is going to war with israel and none of them will let us use their land for war with israel. More importantly,we are busy enough here at home,with TTP,BLA and India,we don’t need to be or rather can’t afford to be spread even more thin by sending troops for a war unrelated to us on another continent. As a Muslim,I wish we could do something.I wish we could bomb Israel.I wish we could get boots on the ground and eradicate the zionists.But we can’t.It’s literally impossible,and we need to stop hating ourselves for it.
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u/Federal-Condition800 20h ago
people should go touch some grass, world affairs don't run on emotions. As much as we can sympathise with them practically there is nothing we can do. what do they expect? Pakistan blasting nuclear ammunition on Israel? and what would be the consequences? Palestine and Pakistan together would be erased from existence.Absolute out of reality discussion.
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 20h ago
Absolute truth. Any nation who uses his nuclear bombs first will be wiped of the face of the earth by the others. Particularly as Israel and America both have nuclears.
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u/No-Syllabub9071 19h ago
This is the real reason
But supposedly if all the arab countries otherwise the richest economies in the world (don't fight me on this because it's the truth and americas under debt and is abt to go even more under lol) come together and threaten em like king facial did what do u think would happen? (And no I'm not dumb enough to think war would immediately end and America would bow down to arabs but rn but most fo the major economies of the world are against america rn due tothe tariffs)
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 19h ago
The U.S has its allies the U.K, Australia and Israel itself are a very good military, the best in the world if you look at their victories compared to the size. I would also have my doubts over if the Arab states could all work together without petty infighting long enough to do anything useful.
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u/No-Syllabub9071 17h ago
That's literally the biggest reason they're all prolly gonna double down and find excuses just to get out of such a predicament if it even happens in the 1st place
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 17h ago
Also few of the oil states want war as bombers attack the oil fields which crippled thier economy
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 16h ago
Yeah and most pakistani nukes can't reach america (the ones that can are easily intercepted, even india can intercept them at this point let alone america) so they quite literally have nothing to worry about in terms of retaliation
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 16h ago
What I imagine would happen if Pakistan took that kind of action would be the U.S.A and NATO plus Israel, Australia, France and the U.K ect and maybe India will selectively bomb Lahore and other large cities and then invade probably giving to India or splitting up and making lots of little democratically run nations who support the American government.
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 16h ago
India would probably stay out of it, they're the ones who would lose the most in this case since pakistans nukes would 100% be pointed towards them (they can't reach most of europe or america)
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u/Personal_Eye_3439 16h ago
Initially yes but after U.S.A and Co had beaten Pakistan in battle after battle, India would hop on in as a good amount of the population would support a war they would be sure to win I would presume against a hated enemy.
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u/Beneficial-Beat-947 16h ago
India has nothing to gain from a war with pakistan, india would 100% use this chance to seize disputed territories like kashmir but nothing more then that.
India wouldn't want pakistan even if it was offered to them on a platter, the amount of instability that would cause within india is insane and the benefits are pretty much nonexistent. (also indians don't want a war, most of them dislike pakistan for sure but no one in their right mind would support a war against a neighbour)
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u/SchoolOk9625 19h ago
so true, accurate asf. Someone who actually know how geopolitics work. Not some shit based on emotions
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u/rathms 19h ago
OP sounds like there is self preservation at play here. Those days are gone when we could focus just on our problems.
We are once again right in the crosshairs between 3 behemoths fighting for ultimate dominance (4 depending on which way the tariffs land). One behemoth has a dog that is out of control and ready to genocide 20 million people. Our issues are part of the larger picture and not local and not just because of India. The behemoth and the dog also want to “cut Pakistan down to size”. No one is firing nukes. But I assure you the west will do that first, again in a few years. Us debating here will not do anything for Palestinians nor will Pakistan deploy conventional missiles up in Gilgit to send a message. It’s about standing on the right side of history. And that side is the weakest one even though it doesn’t ‘look it’ but time is about to bring that to light soon enough.
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u/KainTheRipper 20h ago
Is this comment from the guy in the pic on the bottom left who looks highly drugged smoking a cigarette? And we are supposed to think he is a real humanitarian with a mission to incite Pakistan into helping Palestine!
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u/AntiSimp230 19h ago
This is a Pakistani Instagram account, the profile picture is of a singer (Joji)
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u/Wali080901 18h ago
It's not because of being Muslim... Its because whats right and whats wrong...
Same thing can happen to us ... people need to help other people against oppressers and tyrants... Remember oppressers and tyrants do help each other these days...
Sending soldiers is way too extreme but morally speaking we should be sending food medical aid heck even ammunition and weapons...
I know it's not realistic.... Irl we can't... But we should
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u/Whatisnottakenjesus 18h ago
There once was a time when Muslims were willing to die for their brothers they had never even met, just for the sake of Allah.
Oh what a time it must have been, we will certainly be judged… I pray that Allah shows us his mercy all for being such cowards 😭
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u/obaidtariq 18h ago
Sir too the point and well thought, On individual capacity we all are responsible and Specially our Establishment but again everyone stakes involve in this matter.
*Deep Pockets*
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u/Zestyclose-Sorbet154 18h ago
Because Prophet Mohammad SAW said every muslim is a brother of another muslim. Then he SAW taught us about muslim brotherhood, that none of you is a true muslim until he wishes the same for his brother that he wishes for himself. Islam is way above modern nationalism. It's not only our humanitarian obligation, but as muslims, it's our religious obligation to support our brothers and sisters in Gaza to fight for them, they are going through one of the worst oppressions in the history of the world.
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u/prince-zuko-_- 17h ago
I agree with the other comments. Alas, Pakistan is not as strong as it should be because of corruption. You can't fight or help anyone if you are yourself the one that needs help.
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u/LoyalKopite 17h ago
Because illegal state on Palestine land is nuclear power too. Pakistan has his own issue with Bharat and Afghanistan. Real culprit is Arab countries who does nothing for Palestine. Pakistan will take action once it become rich in a century.
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u/wh40k_heretic 16h ago
Because: Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) said, “You see the believers as regards their being merciful among themselves and showing love among themselves and being kind, resembling one body, so that, if any part of the body is not well then the whole body shares the sleeplessness (insomnia) and fever with it.” - Bukhari 6011
Let me give an example you might understand: Imagine somone comes in your house and starts beating up your childern and women, your neighbours know and none of em step forward to do anything….. you see where i am going with this? Why should they put their lives at risk, its not happening to them or in their house….
Your post makes alot of us sad, how do you not feel sad? How do you yourself not want to jump in the fray and if nothing else throw your body at the enemy as they have been doing for 60+ years. We aint doing shit but at the very least and the first step of doing something is acknowledging that we are not doing what we should be doing…. We need to do something, anything e.g. non stop appeal to our leaders, again and again and again and again
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u/Talha_ibne_idrees 13h ago
You must be very dumb to not understand or you're just pretending that you don't understand.
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u/MeasurementSmooth947 13h ago
“The believers, in their mutual love, mercy, and compassion, are like one body. If one part of the body is in pain, the rest of the body responds with sleeplessness and fever.” — [Sahih al-Bukhari 6011; Sahih Muslim 2586]
This post breaks me. I’ve been fundraising for Gazan families —so many of them, the ones I personally knew, have been martyred. I wish that this genocide stops right now😣I urge everyone to at least speak to a family there, learn their stories, their pain, their resilience. Support them if you can. They are our brothers and sisters. They had names, dreams, people they loved—just like us. Some of the kindest souls I’ve ever known.💔
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u/Personal-Reflection7 12h ago
Our emotional public who has been completely oblivious to 500,000+ killed in Syria (muslims against muslims), actually take side of murderous physcopaths of the Taliban and love all things India and Bollywood (while it systemically abuses muslim rights) will get all jihaad style the moment Israel is mentioned
Bari bari bato say zyada kuch nahi.
Reality is unless you want a full blown world war, military action is not the way.
Ending proxy wars in the region and actually promoting stability is what's needed, but none of the involved countries want that.
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u/powerflower_khi 12h ago
When we read history in the next 30+ years, Muslims will be ashamed of themselves, knowing only three countries tried to eyeball Zionist nation, the rest were looking the other way, or siding with the Zionist nation.
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u/AmoremCaroFactumEst 11h ago
They’re saying that none of these Islamic countries have tried to stop Islamic genocide. They just watch and try to do deals with America or israel over resources
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u/EliSuper2018 10h ago
OP you may have just asked the most ill-informed question of your entire life.
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u/Horrorladx 9h ago
I'll never get why these colour full group of people compare balochistan with Palestine
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u/Opening-Condition-50 9h ago
OP is literally living in a country created in the name of Islam and still decided to post this nonsense
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u/Numerous-Tip-7961 9h ago
There have already been some good answers on here so I wont yap much, but I would like to point out that the Article 40 constitution of Pakistan makes the point that we will support colonised and oppressed people around the world.
And this isnt just in writing, Pakistan has played an important role in numerous foreign conflicts to help the oppressed.
Interestingly Pakistan is the only country to have shot down Israeli fighter jets in combat.
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u/Pvt_Conscriptovich 8h ago
While as a Muslim I would love to help people worldwide the issue is Pakistan is not in any position to do so. Internal conflicts and issues have crippled us badly. We have to fix our issues first - this is not a nationalistic message but a reality. We have to fix ourselves only then we can even think about helping others.
First help our poor and oppressed civillians, minorities, and KPK and Baluchistan and Sindh and all backward areas of the country. Strengthen that and eliminate corruption then think about Palestine. We are not in position to do anything beyond donations and duas for Palestianians rn
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u/The_Reaper347 7h ago
Pakistan can't even secure it's own borders, we already have way too many problems and how can Pakistan nuke any country? This is such a braindead take. I just wish Muslim countries were strong in world diplomacy and had impactful economies then there would be no need to even send the armies to Isr@el but we all know that not a single muslim nation has these things.
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u/Imaginary_Enigma8437 7h ago
Why Iran Helped Pakistan in 1965 War?? Its All About Muslim brotherhood that we have Forgotten. In contrast whole European countries are with Ukraine when needed.
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u/i_ammuzammil 6h ago
What kind of drugs bro's on? And what made him think that Pakistan has the best nuclear power🤣
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u/uptokesforall 6h ago
itt people pretend that a social cause is as important to them as the condition of their personal family
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u/Sweet_Werewolf_278 6h ago
The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) said:
"The people will soon summon one another to attack you as people when eating invite others to share their dish." Someone asked: "Will that be because of our small numbers at that time?" He replied: "No, you will be numerous at that time, but you will be like the foam of the sea. Allah will remove the fear of you from the hearts of your enemy and will throw wahn into your hearts." Someone asked: "O Messenger of Allah, what is wahn?" He said: "Love of the world and hatred for death."
(Sunan Abu Dawood, Hadith 4297 — classified as authentic)
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u/absarahmedkhan 6h ago
A country who cannot stand up for itself becomes a country who won't stand up for any one. That's Pakistan.
Long back I read something relevant in The Kiterunner... That was about an individual. But I think it is the same thing one way or the other.
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u/Abdullah_Nasir4 6h ago
In a world where suffering echoes from every corner, it’s easy to get caught up in the idea of global unity and distant causes. But there's a vast difference between mere words and real action. We often speak of brotherhood, of solidarity, of the need to unite—especially as Muslims—but forget to reflect those values in our most immediate circles.
How can we expect to build global unity when we cannot offer kindness to our own blood? Relatives drift apart, neighbors become strangers, and yet we speak of standing up for those across borders. The truth is bitter: we must first build strength within ourselves and among our own. Kindness, support, and sacrifice must begin at home.
True change starts in small, quiet acts—listening to someone, helping a neighbor, forgiving a family member, choosing empathy over ego. Unity isn’t built overnight; it is practiced in daily choices.
What’s even more telling is how, in moments of crisis, voices from other parts of the world—like the Irish or African communities—sometimes speak louder for justice than many Muslim nations. That stings, not because we expect others to fight our battles, but because it reflects something we've lost: softness of heart, and the courage to stand for what’s right.
Maybe it’s time we stop waiting for global change and begin where we are. Maybe it's time we stop speaking and start doing. Maybe it sounds cliche. But I realized we need this.
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u/LordAdvocateVIII-VII 5h ago
You DO know that we have actually participated before right? I don't know the exact deets, but I also heard that Zia(when a brig), participated in an operation against Palestinians (not entirely sure about this one). But anyways, we are not rich enough to hold out against any top 10 armies of the world or any of our neighbors, except Afghanies (in a limited way). Why do you think we are overtly begging and hoping for Chinese or US intervention every time India pokes us or wants to spar? what if one or two enemies gang up on us, would you like someone else to help when they are bombarding civilian neighborhoods here killing innocents who have "nothing" to do with the enemy?
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u/beastboyashu 5h ago
Pakistan was the country that said it will follow islam as it's laws then let's thier brothers and sisters die because of selfish people like you.
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u/Efficient-Name-3010 5h ago
Are you crack or what? As a human being it is your responsibility to speak up and act against oppression wherever you see it. This is the basis of humanity. Especially when they are your Muslim brothers, that is an extra association.
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u/abdurehman055 5h ago
are you stupid? we shouldnt be nationalist, only thinking about our country. Pakistan was founded on the basis of islam ( although its barely practiced here anymore) and islam teaches us to look beyond our country, we need to look out for other muslim countries, support them no matter what cost. whats happening rn is pathetic and we should be ashamed for not even helping and you should be ashamed of your terrible thinking .
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u/TheBookkeeperrr 5h ago
Let’s try thinking rationally. Nuclear weapons are a deterrent to war. They’re not meant to be used.
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u/Minute_Cheesecake_34 5h ago
Propaganda tu jahil ha bdsk musalman musalman ka bhai ha our religion comes before land or resources. Tum jaso ki asi soch ki wajah se musalman aaj yahan. ALLHUMDULLIAH A MUSLIM BEFORE ANYTHING. 🤟🏻
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u/False-Passenger-8441 5h ago
I don't get it aswell if Pakistan or any other country aids Palestine it would be like they are helping Hamas
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u/Mystery-Snack 5h ago
Basically bullshit by a person who doesn't understand how governments work. I don't understand governments either but I know more than whoever that idiot is.
Firstly, sanctions exist, if Pakistan or Egypt or any nation helps Palestine through military support, they'll get sanctioned causing their economies to eventually collapse. UAE can't support Palestine as that'll risk their main sources of income.
Secondly, leader's actions today don't define what people want. If it did, we would be living in a better society. Shah Faisal who opposed Israel is dead and his descendents who are simps for America now rule the country. Pakistan is ruled by a corrupt idiot, same goes for Egypt.
Thirdly, the ummah isn't united and there's a ton of issues. Look at the middle east, there's more insurgents there than hair on Nawaz Sharif's head. Now take the Shia Sunni Conflict, that hasn't been ever resolved. Khwarjites still exist. Our country is in literal political turmoil.
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u/PinkSheepYT6785 4h ago
Pakistan is hypocritical to it's core, from calling itself an Islamic Republic when it doesn't even have the Islamic rule of law implemented anywhere. The country was made with good I mentions but they died with the likes of Jinnah and Liaquat Ali Khan. It's a playground for the corrupt and a circus for us, and the awaam has the front row seats to watch it all go to oblivion
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u/LaughWeekly963 3h ago
Pakistan is created by Muslims and Muslims feel pain for their Muslim brothers.
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u/LegalRegular313 3h ago
For the past three days there have been protests against hamas and the people of gaza are calling for hamas to lay down arms. Yet they refuse to do so and the war continues. Even the people of gaza no longer support hamas but these people want us join a terrorist organisation.
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u/LegalRegular313 3h ago
Saudia VS iran backed yemen rebels, Israel VS iran backed hamas, Iran VS turkish and saudi backed syrian rebels, these guys are fighting amongst themselves. There are muslims on both sides and both are dying. The khilafat ended in 1924 and in the grim reality in which we live these idealistic thoughts on muslman muslman bhai bhai do nothing than get everyone killed.
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u/Crafty_Scar_8834 3h ago
If I was a secularist and nationalist, I’d agree with you, but in this context, Islam teaches the concept of Ummah rather than nationalistic interests. Even if goras don’t openly talk about an Ummah context for themselves, they are very much united on the basis of their race, Israel being attacked had nothing to do with Europe, but they still condemned Hamas and supported Israel militarily. We could say US supports them because of all the strong Israeli lobby that exists in the roots of the US, but why do other gora countries support them when Israel doesn’t even directly give them any advantage? At the sametime, we see no strong Muslim leaders even speak about Palestine let alone arabs. Pakistan’s nukes are called “the muslim bomb” for a reason, unfortunately all our leadership’s hijacked. Also, the country itself was founded keeping in mind the Islamic interests of the people of Hindustan. What is the meaning of Pakistan’s existence if the country won’t stand up for the injustice against Muslims?
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u/LegalRegular313 3h ago
The khilafat ended in 1924. And in the reality in which we live these idealistic views of muslman muslman bhai bhai do nothing more than get everyone killed. Israel is fighting an Iranian backed militia and Turkish and Saudi rebels deposed an Iranian backed government in Syria. Muslims are dying on both sides and its every country for themself in the middle east. Even the people of gaza are protesting against Hamas and urging it to lay down arms and surrender. But these people want the Pakistani government to side with a foreign terrorist organisation just because of their religion. Sure thats cute and in an ideal situation we should Ofcourse send military support to Palestine but we don’t live in an ideal world do we.
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u/sameonehere- 2h ago
And India helped Palestine & Türkiye when they were in need, provided them aide, only for Muslims from around the world to still target India, and Indians; guess what there were people who wanted to help, but the online hate Muslims threw and are still throwing towards India made us a lot realise that the Jews, Christians and Hindus were right, the actual problem is Islam. After all the help in UN and all the aide. The Muslim world targets India. Pakistan and bangladesh both being majority Muslim are never grateful for the help India sends them in tough time in especially allocates them funds in yearly budget, but yet we see the Pakistanis and bangladeshi targeting Hinduism and Hindus in their country and on the internet, as a result of which in last year alone 1376 groups supporting Muslims, Gaza ended their operations throughout India, as they saw the hate they get from the Muslim world after doing such a great work. Hence no help anymore ! Jai Hind🇮🇳
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u/mephisto1130 20m ago
Firqa parasti ko alag rukh k bolon tu the problem is Iran. Speaking in political terms only.
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u/ItzMeHaris 5m ago
Because it's Palestine? Yes, they may not have a geographical history with Pakistan, but seeing as how most people class Pakistan to be a Muslim Country, they assume that we must help our Brothers and Sisters of Islam in Gaza.
It would be the right thing to do and help those in need, but for some odd reason, barely any of the ''Islamic'' countries are doing anything.
(I'm not too caught up in the news, so if Islamic countries are doing things to help, then I apologise for being wrong about that).
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u/WhiteBloodCells90 19h ago
Let me rephrase your thoughts, Islam started in Saudi Arabia. Why should we it? Their country, their religion. With the current world order, NATO and other allies help is*rael to take part in the genocide. Being muslims and having affiliation with Masjid Aqsa it's on us to help them and protect it.
Ticktok wali Gen will not understand this.
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u/LabCrafty899 17h ago
Go to the middle east or jihadi ban jao yahan beth kar kia hi ukhar lena tum logon na
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u/WhiteBloodCells90 9h ago
I am not a jihadi. It is for those religious people who support extremism and terrorism. My iwn house is at risk, i should take csre my own house
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u/Clark718 18h ago
This is exactly what I’ve been saying bro. I hate this Pakistanis don’t do anything nonsense. Pakistanis have been cucked by Arabs so bad. Arabs don’t even consider us humans. Palestinians in uae are racist towards us. When had a single Arab supporter Kashmir?
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u/StraightUpHaram 9h ago
These idiots don't realize that if multiple countries get involved in this, it'll trigger a world war.
It's not like all these countries can just send their troops over and face zero consequence. Pakistan itself cannot afford this with India and Afghanistan bring so hostile. Haven't even scratched the surface of the retaliation from Israel's allies.
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u/islamabadie 20h ago
OP yahoodi agent ha
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u/SchoolOk9625 19h ago
why are you against jews? you should be against zionists not jews?
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u/No-Syllabub9071 19h ago
Most likely against zinonists not Jews but it's a joke like yahudi sazish he so don't sweat it
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u/abdullah_tararf 9h ago
O believers! Take neither Jews nor Christians as guardians—they are guardians of each other.1 Whoever does so will be counted as one of them. Surely Allah does not guide the wrongdoing people(5:51)
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u/Full_Computer6941 19h ago
Who helps us when Afghanistan and TTP attacks us ? We are sad for the events in the middle east but in the end it's their issue and Arabs should solve their own issues. We are a debt ridden economy totally dependent on the IMF and battling internal insurgencies supported by Afghanistan Iran and India. We have barely enough money to pay for food and u want us to fight the USA? Israel is not Israel, it's the whole western world behind it. No Muslim country is strong enough to fight it.
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u/Patient_Ad_6701 19h ago edited 19h ago
Yeah its the basic islamic propaganda. Even the worlds leaders except iran are in mutual agreement that israel should have gaza. Pakistan as a whole should focus on our own problems.. bc 600 banda karachi kein dumper trucks and road accidents mein mar gaya aik saal mein .. bla humaray soldiers ko maar rahi hay roz.. ttp did about 400 attacks in kp last year, 700 sey zaid log fake blasphemy cases death penalty mein andar aik saal mein jo abh islamabad high court mein blasphemy business group kaa case chal raha hay... aur in bc ko kisi 3sray country kee jung mein jaana hay.
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u/Enough_Key_4472 18h ago
So u are in favour of wiping Palestine off the map.🥲
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u/Patient_Ad_6701 18h ago
Im not in favour of anything. But the world is taking sides as they believe muslims have more than enough space in the world already. My favour is only for pakistan and we have our own shit ton of problems. If someone wants our military to fight a 3rd countries war i will want the person having the wish to go themselves instead of our jawans.
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u/Top_Masterpiece_2053 19h ago
I don't get this thing about WMDs. Do people actually want us to use them, are you guys out of your mind!
If we truly want to help our brothers and sisters, we need to focus on empowering the Muslim community in terms of values and strength. For too long, we've only cared about numbers, being more in numbes. Now is the time to rise economically, scientifically, and militarily. So that our voice carries weight, our presence commands respect, and the blood of Muslims is no longer seen as water. Only then can we prevent Muslims from being stamped on and humiliated anywhere in the world.
Any help in our current condition whether military or otherwise will only be temporary and short-lived!
I'll probably get voted down for this so let's go......
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u/rathms 20h ago
Because nationalism is a neocolonial thing and it teaches selfishness. Islam isn’t like that. Teaches brotherhood and the concept of one nation under God i.e. Muslims. The country itself touts religion as the basis for its creation, names itself as the defender of Islam (propaganda by establishment for decades). Uses Islam for politics and for the military and decides to bury its head in the sand when it’s actually time for action. Wouldn’t you help a dying animal? Then why is human life so cheap and dismissive?