"For The Same Reason"...

[u/Biscuitarian23]

[u/No_Kick_6610]

If the parties never switched how come I only ever see Republicans with Confederate flags

[u/BroughtBagLunchSmart → u/No_Kick_6610]

Republicans know two facts. They know democrats started the KKK, and the word for when you are attracted to 15 year olds that is not pedophile. For some reason those two facts are very important to them.

[u/Satanic_Earmuff → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

Hey, give them some credit, they also know the age of consent in each state.

[u/Biffingston → u/Satanic_Earmuff]

Sure. they don't care though.

And in a scary amount of them, it's 16 anyway.

[u/meoka2368 → u/Biffingston]

The states should switch to something like we have in Canada.
The age changes depending on the age of people involved.

Anyone under 12 cannot be charged with that kind of crime.
Then there's a 2 year sliding window, so for example if a 14 year old has a 15 year old girlfriend, they're both legally fine.
Then the general age is 16, unless the other person is over 18 and in a position of authority (like a boss, police officer, etc.). Then it's 18 for everything else.

There's even considerations in the law for... explicit images and videos.
So long as the person sending it is only sending it to their partner, and their relationship falls within the legal ranges mentioned above, it's not going to get them in trouble.
The person receiving it later then sending it to someone else could get charged for distribution, as well as revenge porn.

It seems complex, but really isn't. Like, if you're a teen and your partner is more than 2 years older or younger than you, you should reconsider that.
If you're not a teen, then don't have sex with one.

But they put in the complexity so that kids can't get in trouble for hooking up with each other in high school or whatever.
Better than the "16? Good enough." in the states anyway.

[u/Biffingston → u/meoka2368]

The worst part? Most of those states where they're 16 require parental consent to marry at that age....

[u/meoka2368 → u/Biffingston]

I think the lowest in the US is like 12 or 13 to get married, in some states. Needs parental approval.
And then in both Canada and the US it's 16 if emancipated.

That's what I recall, anyway. I'd have to look it up to be sure.

[u/Biffingston → u/meoka2368]

Googled it, you're wrong. 16 is the lowest.

[u/meoka2368 → u/Biffingston]

I just went looking as well.

https://www.mass.gov/news/child-brides

Massachusetts does not have a law specifying the minimum age at which a person can marry with a parent’s consent.

So... yeah. That's probably what I was thinking, but it was changed recently (2022). It's not something I keep up on personally, so was going by old info I guess.

[u/Biffingston → u/meoka2368]

Honestly, I'd be more worried if you had detailed information and knoweldge about the age of consent laws. We're all good.

[u/LaCharognarde → u/Biffingston]

Aren't there still a hell of a lot of states with no "floor," provided the parents are depraved enough to okay it, at all? 😬

[u/Biffingston → u/LaCharognarde]

Not according to what I found, but we are speaking of legal marriage as defined by the state. Not "Wacky Pastor Mcdoodle said that we're husband and wife now, and we're six."

[u/Smiley_P → u/Biffingston]

What's even worse is that it's used for child marriage, like selling your daughter and stuff

[u/Biffingston → u/Smiley_P]

I mentioned down below that there was a reason that I remembered that. It was creepy as fuck and that is exactly why.

[u/garaile64 → u/Biffingston]

Thankfully it's to stop a high schooler from being arrested for hooking up consensually with their classmate.

[u/Kiwithegaylord → u/Biffingston]

Unless there’s an egregious age difference I think 16 is fine, make it any higher and you start to get teens refusing to cooperate in investigating actual abusers out of fear of their own prosecution

[u/gert_van_der_whoops → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

Republicans know two facts

Who are we talking about? Republican voters (mendelian classification h. trumpelopithicus)know very little, and require daily programming for anything to penetrate their thick brows and enter their smooth brains. If we are talking about the members, then yes, they know two things. 1. What dorito mussolini told them their agenda was. 2. How to lie and decieve endlessly in the cause of advancing that agenda.

[u/OrnerySnoflake → u/gert_van_der_whoops]

Troglodytes works well too.

[u/Holiday-Reading9713 → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

They know democrats started the KKK,

"Fun" fact: The original KKK didn't even burn crosses. It was done by the KKK that re-emerged in the early 20th century

[u/Shwastey → u/Holiday-Reading9713]

Woodrow Wilson, pioneering a new age of racism

[u/Biffingston → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

Isn't that word "sicko?"

[u/flyingdics → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

2 1/2 facts if you include that Lincoln was a Republican (and would be burned alive by Republicans today).

[u/Biffingston → u/flyingdics]

Trump is better, though. According to him, he did more for blacks. Like... deny them rentals?

[u/RambaldiMilo94 → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

What IS the word for when you are attracted to 15 year olds that is not pedophile?

So many upvotes, but i have no idea.

[u/Biffingston → u/RambaldiMilo94]

"Creep."

Seriously though, the word they insist on using is "Ephebophilia," which means "Attracted to teenagers."

I'd love to see someone try to use that as a defense in a trial. 'Yer honor, I'm not a pedophile; I'm a Ephobiliphile!"

In the eyes of the law, that doesn't matter.

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[u/meoka2368 → u/BroughtBagLunchSmart]

... and the word for when you are attracted to 15 year olds that is not pedophile.

That's one that annoys me too, but for different reasons.

So for those that don't know, there's three words and general age ranges (varies child to child, and gender impacts it as well).
Pedophilia - 0 to about 10
Hebephilia - 10 to 15
Ephebophilia - 15 to 19

And yes, that does mean that there's some adult sites out there that specifically cater to ephebophiles, legally.

My issue with calling all of that "pedo" is that someone who is attracted to an 18 year old is wildly different than someone attracted to a 2 year old.
Applying that name to all attraction below 20 lessens the impact of the word when someone actually does something with a toddler.

[u/Square_Ad4004 → u/meoka2368]

Well, no. I agree that the term pedophilia is used way too casually, to the point where it's sometimes harmful, but those other terms are scientifically questionable at the very best. It's also patently ridiculous to lump them into clear age groups like that - pedophilia is primary sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, regardless of age. If you're attracted to children you're a pedo, even if some online creep told you that acktchually you're not a pedo if the child is 10.

Oh, and hebephilia is controversial to the point where it both largely remains unused by professionals and was suggested for the DSM-5 as an extension of pedophilia. We don't need more bullshit terms to give adults guidelines for which kids to creep on, we just need to stop creeping on kids.

[u/meoka2368 → u/Square_Ad4004]

It's also patently ridiculous to lump them into clear age groups like that - pedophilia is primary sexual attraction to pre-pubescent children, regardless of age.

They aren't clear age groups. I specifically pointed that out. Any credible source that talks about them also mentions that there isn't a firm range on them.

I don't get why people are in favour of watering down "pedo" to mean both of legal age to go to war and just out of the womb at the same time.

[u/uberfission → u/meoka2368]

My guy, come on, while I agree with you that there's a huge difference between attraction to a 2 year old and a 17 year old, this is the worst place to be arguing that. Read the room.

[u/meoka2368 → u/uberfission]

Not sure why you want to water down the term and make it seem like less than it is.
Red flags, my guy.

[u/SomeoneRepeated → u/meoka2368]

Listen. I am a pedantic little shit. It's literally in my description. But even I think that being like "erm, actually its hebephilia!" when someone calls a person attracted to a 15-year old a pedo is ridiculous.

[u/ChaosOfOrder24 → u/No_Kick_6610]

But when you point that out they flip flop to "It's southern heritage, not hate."

[u/Biffingston → u/ChaosOfOrder24]

The irony is that's the fucking problem in a nutshell. Their heritage involves slavery and mistreatment. It's not something to be proud of.

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[u/TimeLordHatKid123 → u/No_Kick_6610]

God, I actually almost hate that the parties switched, all it did was make this discourse harder to talk about, and gives conservatives another tool to confuse and muddy the conversation with.

[u/PhazonZim → u/TimeLordHatKid123]

They'll look for any excuse, and if they can't find one they'll just make one up

[u/BringBackAoE → u/TimeLordHatKid123]

The parties didn’t really “switch”. It’s more that social issues weren’t central, politics was local.

So across the US there were a mix of Dems and GOP everywhere.

I think it’s more correct to distinguish between Southern Conservatives and Northern Liberals.

Lincoln was elected by Northern Liberals. Southern conservatives started KKK and were Confederates.

[u/NotDescriptive → u/BringBackAoE]

A lot of people ignore that there were two Democrat parties when Lincoln was elected, the Democratic Party and the Southern Democratic Party. The Democratic Party largely sided with the Union while the Southern Democratic Party is the one that went on to form the Confederacy (and eventually the KKK).

[u/jrae0618 → u/TimeLordHatKid123]

I got into it with someone online before and I listed several KKK group's numbers. Sadly, they were easy to find. I told them to go ahead and call them and ask if they are Democrats. They said they didn't need to ask, they know they are Democrats. That's when I finally just stopped arguing with people, it's useless. They will never admit they are wrong and need to believe it's true or else they are aligned with the KKK.

[u/schmyndles → u/jrae0618]

I went back and forth with someone claiming there was no party switch. I asked if Republicans today were for small government, like states' rights, and he said yes. I asked if a federal ban on something was big or small government, and he said big government, which Republicans today are against. I asked which party put a federal ban on slavery, and he said Republicans. So then, logically, if the parties never switched, shouldn't Republicans still be in support of big government? He got confused and said no, they hate big government. So then the Republicans who federally banned slavery, and the Republicans of today have opposite views, like they switched? No, there's no party switch, he said.

This went on for a very long time, where he kept calling me stupid for asking the same questions, bur every time I'd come to the logical conclusion of his answers, he'd revert back to the no party switch response. He could not understand the point I was making on just one belief of the parties, just the difference between small and big government in the 1860s and today. He finally stopped responding to me after about 20 minutes of this.

[u/Eeeef_ → u/No_Kick_6610]

Also why do I only ever hear republicans say “blacks?”

[u/bitetheasp → u/Eeeef_]

They love using adjectives as nouns. Instant slurs without being slurs. Which is weird, because they also really like using actual slurs, anyway...

[u/Natural_Sky_4720 → u/Eeeef_]

That shit is so dehumanizing i fucking HATE when people call other people “blacks” we are BLACK PEOPLE!

[u/Adkit → u/Natural_Sky_4720]

I'll be honest, I'm just glad we're past the "african american" age. That shit is about as forced as calling you "ebony".

[u/Bearence → u/Adkit]

I was a kid in the 70s, when "colored" was still used. I think I might have even heard some older people in the 80s use that word.

[u/garaile64 → u/Adkit]

Also, that could be used to describe someone like Elon Musk.

[u/Rockworm503 → u/Eeeef_]

They can't help themselves. They gotta be racist even when they are trying to paint the other side as the racists.

[u/DatNick1988 → u/No_Kick_6610]

And how come republicans were angry when they took down confederate statues

[u/ninjacat249 → u/No_Kick_6610]

It’s the same as ultra left fascists I guess.

[u/NoLavishness1563 → u/ninjacat249]

Ultra-left fascists? lmao.

[u/ninjacat249 → u/NoLavishness1563]

Yeah I should have added /s I guess

[u/NoLavishness1563 → u/ninjacat249]

Nah I'm just slow apparently.

[u/under_the_c]

I dont even believe that the oop actually believes this. This is the worst faith take I've ever seen.

[u/1994californication → u/under_the_c]

They almost never argue in good faith

[u/gert_van_der_whoops → u/1994californication]

What do you mean almost?

[u/1994californication → u/gert_van_der_whoops]

By almost I meant basically never.

[u/GUlysses → u/under_the_c]

When someone says Democrats used to support slavery, remind them that Republicans used to oppose Russia.

[u/warm_sweater → u/under_the_c]

I’ve called out people I’ve known in person for this type of shit; during the first Trump term I caught a old coworker reposting edited images from Greek riots calling them photos of antifa attacking police here in the US.

When I told him he was lying and pushing propaganda on purpose, he said he didn’t care because this is what antifa really wanted to do.

[u/i-caca-my-pants → u/warm_sweater]

you really do need to understand your enemies and avoid making shit up about them, lest you forget why you don't like them. right wingers passed this point a long time ago

[u/gert_van_der_whoops → u/warm_sweater]

When I told him he was lying and pushing propaganda on propose, he said he didn’t care because this is what antifa really wanted to do.

Yep. It's the era of trump. Objective truth doesn't exist anymore. Lying isn't even wrong anymore, as long as it gets you what you want.

[u/Tornado2p → u/under_the_c]

Yeah, quite a few conservatives have utilized this to make progressives burn themselves out trying to get through to them.

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[u/AegisKaisar]

Blud does not know about the party switch 💔

Also the usage of "blacks" instead of black people is very telling

[u/Winterstyres → u/AegisKaisar]

Give them credit for not using the name they were thinking though.

[u/vxicepickxv → u/AegisKaisar]

Dogwhistling is important when you're spreading propaganda.

[u/Kimantha_Allerdings → u/AegisKaisar]

„Democrat party“ is the giveaway. The American right seems to think that‘s a slur, for some reason. I see lots of people in the US using language like „blacks“. As a Brit it makes me uncomfortable, but it doesn‘t seem to be seen as dehumanising or racist in the US.

[u/Cether → u/Kimantha_Allerdings]

It is. No one goes around saying "Whites". It's always "if you're white" humanising the person first. Anyone who calls someone "a black" is racist AF.

There's just a huge amount of racist people.

[u/Worldly-Ocelot-3358 → u/Cether]

Literally this.

[u/Kimantha_Allerdings → u/Cether]

Fair enough. I‘m sure I‘ve seen it in things like non-far-right news reports, but I‘m not from the US so I‘m sure there‘s plenty about the culture that I don‘t know and I‘m happy to defer to someone with more knowledge.

[u/Tru3insanity → u/Kimantha_Allerdings]

Oh it definitely is racist and dehumanizing. If someone is defending it, they got an agenda. Its ok to use it as an adjective like saying "black people." Its the people part thats important. Using it as a noun is exactly as gross as it sounds. Anyone doing that is definitely racist. Sadly there are a lot of racist people in the US.

[u/uberfission → u/Kimantha_Allerdings]

The only time using the word "blacks" is okay is when you're describing paints. It's still dehumanizing and racist on this side of the pond, we just have more shitty people over here that seem to think being racist is a good thing.

[u/secondarycontrol]

Sooo...Republicans are now onboard with a Confederate flag ban and tearing down Confederate monuments? Getting rid of Rbt. E Lee day? Yeah, didn't think so. Fun fact: The south regularly voted Democratic until the civil rights era and then suddenly they no longer voted Dem - And it sure as shit wasn't the south that changed. Because the South? The South never changes.

[u/EatsCrackers → u/secondarycontrol]

I totally read the last line in Ron Perlman’s voice.

[u/secondarycontrol → u/EatsCrackers]

;)

[u/Scatterspell → u/EatsCrackers]

You get a cookie. A dark side cookie.

[u/goodgamble]

Easy reply. Go find your local kkk. They exist. Walk into the meeting and call them a bunch of democrats and see how that goes for you.

[u/Street_Peace_8831 → u/goodgamble]

Exactly, they all vote republican. Racists, the KKK, white supremecists, and neo-Nazis do not vote Democrat and would get angry if you said they did.

[u/thechaoslord → u/Street_Peace_8831]

I remember that months ago I had gotten into an argument with a self proclaimed nazi on Twitter about how trump was copying hitler's rise to power, and they tried to claim they had a degree in history to backup their denial. Their smoking gun: "Trump hasn't put people in concentration camps yet"(this was around October), and I just told them that they made me question the credentials of where they got their degree if STEP 15 On the guide to being Hitler is the point they say someone is copying him

[u/Kineth]

Oh, so when Republicans were doing it for the last 50 years, it was for a different reason?

[u/bz_leapair]

I love that Republicans have to go back anywhere from 60 years (Civil Rights) to 150 years (Civil War) for a point in time where they were unequivocally the good guys.

[u/girlwiththemonkey]

DOES NO ONE TEACH IN AMERICAN SCHOOLS ABOUT THE PARTY SWITCH? I’m Canadian. And I know about it. And I didn’t even take American history.

[u/BishonenPrincess → u/girlwiththemonkey]

American here.

My favorite subject was history, and I took multiple AP classes on it, including AP American history.

The subject never came up once.

[u/VERO2020 → u/BishonenPrincess]

Probably never heard about Tulsa's Black Wall Street or Rosewood, either.

[u/TJM18 → u/VERO2020]

It was pretty eye opening when I learned about the Tulsa Race Massacre…..YEARS after getting out of high school. Like what else are aren’t they teaching us?

American education system is failing us, and that’s by design.

[u/BishonenPrincess → u/VERO2020]

Not in a school setting, no.

[u/Vallkyrie → u/BishonenPrincess]

Same. Grew up in New England, did all my schooling there in both CT and MA, good schools with good subjects, but still those were never brought up. I know you can't cover everything, gaps are expected. I do wish those were brought up though.

[u/girlwiththemonkey → u/BishonenPrincess]

Also, they straight up just don’t teach about the party switch. Well, OK great. I understand that we can’t teach everything but some stuff feels like it should be taught.

[u/thechaoslord → u/girlwiththemonkey]

The majority of what they teach us are sanitized colonial era, sanitized meeting of Europe and the aztecs, skip anything about the Caribbean, minimal history for how we interacted with the native Americans, the cause of world war 1, slightly sanitized world war 2(they don't like mentioning where Nazis got laws for hate with surgical precision) and then they conflate socialism and communism while teaching sanitized capitalism

[u/girlwiththemonkey → u/thechaoslord]

I got a question now because I keep saying Americans on TikTok saying something and it’s pissing me off because it’s not true. But do they not teach that Canada was there for the second world war before America? Because so many of them seem to think it’s true and it’s such a stupid thing and they’re all responding to me with. “Oh this is what they taught us so it’s right.”

[u/thechaoslord → u/girlwiththemonkey]

No, possibly because that makes us look bad. And that is part of the reason why they think invading you is a good idea, because they forgot what our earliest loss is, and what Canadian soldiers are known for (no offense intended on the last bit)

[u/girlwiththemonkey → u/thechaoslord]

Oh absolutely, no offence taken. We were brutal in the war. We have parts of our history that are not really taught, but when I was in high school, I had a really good history, teacher (I live in Newfoundland) and what our ancestors did when they got here it’s fucking brutal and it only really stopped not that long ago. Have you heard of the residential schools? if you’re sensitive, you don’t have to read it. It’s just awful.

I’ll see if I can write a toned down version. (I know there’s one that I’ve already written here on the iPad somewhere so….)

These schools in Newfoundland were places of severe abuse, where Indigenous children suffered physical beatings, sexual violence, starvation, and neglect. Many were forcibly taken from their families, forbidden to speak their languages, and punished for practicing their culture. Some children died from starvation , disease, or the horrible fucking mistreatment, and many survivors live with deep psychological scars. There are some that can take what happened to them and they can be productive about it, but a lot of them literally lost their will to live because of those places. The government refused to acknowledge their suffering, excluding them from Canada’s national residential school settlement until 2016. The horrific damage from these schools continues to devastate Indigenous communities causing cycles of grief, loss, and cultural erosion. So many of them deal with alcohol or substance abuse issues, and as someone who had drug related issues, I can tell you that if you need help, this is not the place to be. So they just go in and out of the system and never get the help they actually need to get better. ❤️‍🩹

[u/thechaoslord → u/girlwiththemonkey]

I don't remember if the American version of those was any better, but ours was focused on stomping out the language, culture, and religion of the native American peoples

[u/jrae0618 → u/girlwiththemonkey]

Surprisingly, I'm in Texas and was taught about the Southern Strategy. Granted this was in the 90s and we weren't as ridiculous as we are now.

[u/cartoonsarcasm]

This is by far the worst case of persecution complex I've seen.

[u/Karhak]

So then, it should be crickets from them when Democrats tear down statues dedicated to traitors since, ya know, they were Democrats.

[u/_Oops_I_Did_It_Again]

Any American who refers to PEOPLE as “blacks” (it feels gross even typing that out tbh) is really telling on themselves and their values…

[u/Galappie]

Are Tesla owners actually having their cars set on fire? I’m pretty sure it’s only been cars at dealerships. Either way I don’t really care since these people seem more upset at some vandalism than they do when children are riddled with bullets.

[u/lgodsey]

Conservatives burned the crosses. And worse. And it was/is way more pervasive. No amount of history denial of political parties will change that.

That said I suppose that some of the Tesla vandals may be considered left/liberal, but they are a tiny group that has been thoroughly condemned by the left, unlike thousands of past and even current instances of racist violence perpetrated by the right.

God damn you conservatives for your bastardization of the truth.

[u/AutomaticAccident]

Wait. Where are they keeping their Teslas?

[u/Responsible_Ad_8628]

Go check the modern KKK to figure out their pay affiliation. They're enthusiastically MAGA and have been since the start.

[u/TheFrenchPerson]

Republicans comparing Tesla cars to black people, they really do like owning things don't they?

[u/Rockworm503]

Elon Musk is literally a Nazi but I guess he's black now and a victim of lynch mobs because that makes sense.

My god these people are beyond stupid.

[u/VERO2020]

Aside from the idiocy that this weirdo posts, does no one remember that it is the Democratic Party? Rush Blimpo started this "democrat party" dumb-assery, and it seems almost standard now.

It is a giveaway that the author is either informed by the RWNJ media, a troll, or too young to remember the actual name of the party. Could easily be all three.

[u/sloaches → u/VERO2020]

Wasn't Newt Gingrich also responsible for the whole "Democrat Party" labeling as well? Either way, they have been doing it intentionally for decades. Honestly, whenever I hear someone use that term it just helps identify them as an asshole.

[u/Scatterspell]

The thing is, it was Conservatives who were burning crosses. If you search back through historical news articles and documents, they interchange Democrat and Conservative constantly. Who are the Conservatives now?

[u/Ludate_Solem]

Anyone who uses "blacks" to refer to poc, does not care about poc.

[u/Reedwool]

Is so tiring when people say “democrats started the kkk”. Democrat is a name for a party not an ideology. Such an easy google search to find out who used to be democrats almost 200 years ago

[u/manickitty]

All conservatives are bad regardless of what name they are currently parading under. Same shit different toilet

[u/Blacksun388]

Something something southern strategy switched platforms ect

[u/CreativeName6574]

“Blacks”?

[u/Paulie227]

What are "blacks"? 

"Blacks" sounds like something someone who would burn a cross on your lawn would say.

[u/PeanutFreeMeatLoaf]

Yup they're definitely burning Teslas because Elons African totally no other reason

[u/VisibleRecognition65]

Say the POS who have been using the same script since the cold war

[u/secretbudgie]

Expected brain rot from a Paula Deen PFP

[u/WiggyStark]

Conservatives burned, and still burn, crossed to intimidate black people.

[u/EarthLaser]

“Blacks”

[u/postdiluvium]

FFS, every time a Republican is in the white House the people who are against womens suffrage, racial equality, affirmative action, dei, LGBTQ rights... yell about how they are being treated like black people in the segregated south.

[u/Filmguy313]

They post stuff like this and usually post something racist too

[u/phatstopher]

The Wide Awakes fought those cross burners, just like woke people fight racists today.

[u/Daddywitchking]

Republicans farm babies to drink their spinal fluid so they wrinkle less (it doesn’t work)

Anybody can say anything, the internet is a curse

[u/LaCharognarde]

Change "Democrats" to "right-wingers" in the first part. Also: Tesla owners are in no way a marginalized group, and I suspect that Enron Skum is doing a false flag.

[u/AverageFoxNewsViewer]

Not even real Teslas. Just Roman candles.

[u/OisforOwesome]

I'm fairly sure Elon isn't black and he's the only one intimidated by this.

[u/WaltDisneyWasAFurry]

The caucasity of the motherfucker who posted this

[u/TinyCleric]

Whats the main political makeup of the modern kkk? WHAT IS THE-

[u/slomo525]

I didn't know owning a Tesla and supporting a fascist were immutable characteristics. You learn something new every day.

[u/swiftb3]

Needs to be right alongside "STATES' RIGHTS TO DO WHAT?"

"WHO DO THE CROSS-BURNING RACISTS SUPPORT NOW?"

[u/pinksparklyreddit]

"Blacks"

[u/FreedomsPower]

It's pathetic when conservatives cherrypick history to hide the fact that the KKK were far right terrorists

[u/LCDRformat]

Ah yes, the old south conservative democrats

[u/kbeks]

Conservatives used to burn crosses, now they burn books and democratic norms.