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u/Human-Equivalent-154 2d ago
zed
EDIT: Cursor*
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u/Danteynero9 2d ago
That’s what I thought. At least the zed team is writing the editor from the ground.
Meanwhile cursor and windsurf are as boring as they can get.
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u/TomWithTime 2d ago
I picked windsurf since codeium free was so much better than copilot Enterprise. Is there something practically different we can expect for zed?
Being a vscode fork is convenient for the extensions so zed must have some really strong settling points
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u/Danteynero9 2d ago
I'm not a direct user of zed, mainly because they don't have an official windows release yet, so in terms of the AI companion, I have little to no clue.
I know you can connect to different services and use different models, and that they have the intention of also having an extensions platform.
The main selling point to me is efficiency. Depending on the day, vscode may take me either 4 seconds or 15 to load. Why? It didn't want to load faster.
The zed team is building it with the idea of using the hardware to "it's maximum potential", rather than taking a couple of cores of the cpu and raw dogging them to the ground.
The only thing I don't like, in fact I can say that I pretty much hate, about windsurf is the lack of extension profiles:
I may need to jump from a php project made with laravel and vite to a flutter project that also has firebase functions. I don't want to load 10 extensions every time, much less when I need to switch branches and everything keeps reindexing (I know about worktrees, I'm not making a worktree for every branch).
For what it is, the codeium extension (now "windsurf (formerly codeium)") does 90% of what windsurf does, without taking away commodities that current vscode has.
The day I can give zed the ride it deserves, I'll be searching for stuff like this. And since it's not a vscode fork, I can't bash the zed team the same way I can with the windsurf team.
Btw, that day might be close, bosses needed to buy a new device due to a newcomer and I might be capable of having a system that runs zed without needing to compile it from source.
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u/TomWithTime 2d ago
If I can use the codeium model on zed maybe that would be interesting. Although the free use might be exclusive to their own editor, who knows.
Sorry to hear about the windows troubles, I think the only job where I had to use Windows and vscode was AT&T and yea it was slow. I wonder how much of the problem is windows lol. I guess since they own both vscode and windows it's technically 100% their problem.
Have you tried wsl?
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u/Danteynero9 2d ago
I'll have to do some testing, but if the same vscode setup stresses less the system under wsl, I'll use it there.
I had to limit the wsl resources due to the quite high system resources usage my setup requires (which curiously, takes less resources on the macs that other coworkers have), but if with a limited (not like now, but still limited) wsl is better, well...
I honestly can't bear how much windows takes your resources and destroys them. Can't wait for the new machine.
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u/croizat 1d ago
What kind of computer do you have? I see the comments about vscode being bloated/slow so frequently with people saying it takes ages to load but you gave an actual time of a staggering 4-15 seconds. Are there some particular demanding extensions I don't know about? Mine barely takes two seconds and it's pretty much always been like this across computers of varying power I've used for the last 10 years
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u/Danteynero9 1d ago
Toshiba laptop, i7 8550U. 16GB RAM 2400MHz. SSD that I'm pretty sure it's from your classic "we don't even remember when this company went bankrupt" company.
It's reaaaaally weird. I have some "demanding" extensions (the codeium one for example), but sometimes the extensions just loads "fast" (the 4 seconds for example, I don't mind them, gives me time to remember what the fuck I was doing), but other times, it justs lags behind to the point of being stupid.
And it's not specifically with the codeium extension. I've tried disabling everything and enabling only the ones that load faster, and sometimes they would load slower than they were loading before.
It's just a weird situation. The laptop itself seems to just grab everything by the neck until it stops breathing when it wants to.
At least enabling the high performance helps in general, but with vscode I've just not found why it decides that today wants to load shit as fast as it can, and other days it just tells me to go take a hike.
The laptop is just not prepared to load the amount of bs needed for the job assigned, and vscode sometimes just doesn't collaborate.
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u/MornwindShoma 2d ago
It's ballin fast
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u/TomWithTime 2d ago
I'll keep an eye on it. My main draw to windsurf, as somebody that knows how to code, is having fun with it. As long as you have an active subscription with the product you get unlimited use of the base models and it's fun to tell the ide to make a file and watch the editor operate itself. I'm not doing anything serious with these ai integrated editors so I want to keep my costs down.
If zed has anything like that, I'll check it out
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u/Blaze0616 1d ago
I may be biased, i tried zed only coz it's written in rust which is my go to...but to be honest I'm really surprised how fast it is,
To compare, I had the same project index in vscode and zed, vscode took a load of time to just open and analyze the dependencies... While zed opened in a instant and took a few seconds to do the same
But zed right now is not very stable as far I used, it had few glitches but it's completions, visualization, every lsp action was performant.
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u/TomWithTime 1d ago
If agent assisted coding takes off it'll be valuable to have a competitor not based on vs code, so that's something. I just got the codeium people pull through and partner with someone if they need to because I appreciate their usage terms.
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u/mrheosuper 2d ago
Not sure if writting stuff from scratch is good thing...
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u/Danteynero9 2d ago
They don't seem to be doing a bad job all things considered.
But I can't say that it's great nor good until I can be on a system with an official build
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u/HoseanRC 1d ago
ZED IS FUCKING AWESOME
been using it for a while, much better than vscode on typescript projects
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u/HanzJWermhat 1d ago
Zed is an amazing IDE with terrible extensions. They need to up the AI code stuff stat.
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u/hapliniste 2d ago
I'm pretty sure paying the api for what I use of cursor would cost me 50 a month so I'm good 😅
Must be batch prices or something, or maybe most don't use the 20$ credit
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u/Delicious-Setting-66 2d ago
API of what? They can offer those prices with a normal Vs code extension
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u/Hyphonical 1d ago
"Next Gen Web Technologies for Optimal Performance"
Uses webassembly ffmpeg.
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u/Delicious-Setting-66 22h ago
yeah or "next generation streaming system" And just ship ffmpeg with a gui
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u/the_bearded_boxer 23h ago
Everything is either Fork or gpt wrapper these days. Fyi, some guys in India won 75 lakhs INR around $ 85k from the government by forking Brave and doing some cosmetic changes.
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u/bracket_max 1d ago
I've been using VSCode + Copilot for the last little bit (bought the one year plan)... am I really missing something without Cursor/Windsurf? They're all using Sonnet 3.7??
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u/FrostWyrm98 1d ago
*chuckles*
"Yeah alright. Actually..."
[vscodium fork]
Deadass seen like 6 of these in the past month lol
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u/aitchnyu 1d ago
And many are playing games with models and context to pay their llm bills, keep users hanging on, turn a profit. With a JetBrains ide, I used JetBrains ai which uses an immature LLM and I have to point it to specific lines of code. Next one was clunky in adding files to its context, so they could offer the best LLMs but keep their bills low. Next one allowed one model for unlimited low context chats, but forced the 20x costlier (to them) model for whole repo editing. I quickly ran out of daily credits and I understood why they recommended at least 3 units of their paid plan.
I switched to Aider and Openrouter which allows me to shop between models and providers. It keeps whole repo context and reports costs in real time. No games. I switched to v3 from fast providers, Deepseek provider tends to get rotated out for low uptime.
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u/i_am_bunnny 2d ago
i just saw a video of this guy using an extension like this to create an entire ide from a couple of prompts and it was working. What do we even do at this point lol
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u/CrowRobot 2d ago
My guess is that they didn’t want to pay MS their percentage for a paid extension on the extension market.