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u/crimsonpowder 19h ago
2024: AI writes 10% of the code
2025: AI writes 50% of the code
2026: AI writes 95% of the code
2027: AI writes 5% of the code
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u/r2k-in-the-vortex 15h ago
AI can write near enough 100% of the code, but that's not the time and money consuming part of a software project. Code generation by human or by AI isn't really the bottleneck.
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u/lacb1 10h ago
Dear BA team, please, pretty please, can you tell me WHERE THE FUCK THE SPEC IS? IT'S BEEN 2 WEEKS! HOW THE FUCK IS THIS DONE YET?!
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u/IAmASwarmOfBees 13h ago
The only real use (other than "write me a bash command to rename all files in this folder" - level stuff) for AI I've found is writing documentation.
Now hear me out: I never ask it to write the documentation, but I use tts to read it back to me. That way I catch more language errors (I have dyslexia and speak English as a second language).
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u/dingo_khan 12h ago
I don't think that counts in the sense anyone currently uses the term "AI".
Related: 20 years ago, I wired up opentextsummarizer to a tts to "preview" documentation and papers for me, so I could get a "5 minute feeling" about whether spending the next several hours with this doc was the right decision. Watching people use chatgpt for that sort of thing now, I get it, but my crap solution never hallucinated.
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u/Taickyto 9h ago
Let's not bash AI entirely, it can be pretty useful as long as you're the one feeding it data
It's been very useful for me, when working on legacy code, to be able to feed it a badly written, 300 lines function, and to ask it "explain what this function does please"
This is something I can do myself (and I have done so in the past), but AI will be much quicker (albeit, sometimes getting things wrong), and will not get frustrated 150 lines in because "oh my god why did he call that purchaseOrderDatatableDisplayDataModel instead of orderList, all conditions are on several lines now because a simple comparison is over 120 chars, also does he not know about early returns? I'm 150 lines into the function and code is already indented by 20 blank spaces, I need coffee"
I also use it often for naming things, you just feed it infos on what the variable represents and get a list of names
Vibe coding tho... I wouldn't even trust AI to write tests for me (it still insists on using Jest even when specifically told to use Vitest)
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u/ProgrammersAreSexy 6h ago
Oh I definitely use it to write documentation... Gemini 2.5 pro is pretty darn good for this with its massive context window.
I don't submit the documentation as is, but it's great for a first draft. And honestly having zero documentation is a huge problem at a lot of places. AI generated + human reviewed docs is way better than no docs.
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u/orbital_narwhal 9h ago
Traditional TTS isn't based on machine learning, thus not AI. I understand that there are efforts based on machine learning to make TTS sound more natural and to handle more complicated edge cases (incl. foreign words) more gracefully.
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u/Vogete 20h ago
If you're not turning your engineerings into vibe coders, what are you even doing?
Mostly turning a profit by having a working platform.
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u/spikernum1 18h ago
But the Ai can just tell you it's working now regardless of the output
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u/realsadboihours 5h ago
You'll literally tell the AI the code doesn't work and it'll just spit out worse code that also doesn't work.
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u/hydroxy 18h ago
The phrase ‘vibe coders’ was intentionally made to be annoying.
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u/VinceMiguel 17h ago
"Coding"/"coder" was already supremely annoying to me, so "vibe" is just the cherry on top
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u/Dorkits 20h ago
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u/TomWithTime 19h ago
It could be a psy op. Push the tech before it's ready and watch your competitors crumble. Or he's creating debug consultation jobs for himself.
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u/SparklyEarlAv32 19h ago
I can't tell if the post is satire and that's concerning
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u/AhHerroPrease 16h ago
The post from Adam Zvada? He seems genuine about it when you look at his actual post on LI.
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u/GenTelGuy 16h ago
Damn what did this say to get removed by Reddit? Must've been excellent
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u/AMViquel 11h ago
If only there was a way to view an archived copy of comments. Oh wait, there is: https://undelete.pullpush.io/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/1jseppq/_/mllvi66/#comment-info
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u/tinselsnips 10h ago
I've seen direct threats of doxxing ignored by Reddit as it "doesn't violate the content policy", but this got removed?
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u/Protheu5 7h ago
Mentions of violence are removed without nuance or context, they don't try to analyze stuff. I think you may even get a removal if you translate a sentence containing violence in a language learning sub (but I did not try that).
This is stupid and is akin to "scunthorpe problem", it's fundamentally unsolvable, because anyone can come up with billions of alternative wordings (like "i'll play 'count your teeth on the floor' game") and therefore I don't think that they are trying to solve violence, they are merely covering their ass for investors/potential owners/advertisers.
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u/GenTelGuy 11h ago
Thx, I've done it before on PC but wasn't gonna fiddle with it on mobile - pathetically soft moderation by Reddit
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u/Protheu5 7h ago
If only there was a way to view an archived copy of comments.
There was, unddit, removeddit, but then they stopped working and I didn't know about new one.
First of all, thank you for the link.
Secondly, I want to know, where do you learn about new ones when those stop working?
Third, what can I use to download reddit videos? Nothing I googled works for me, they just loop "loading" endlessly with the provided link or don't load at all whatsoever.
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u/Pool-LAN 6h ago
I use yt-dlp. It downloads videos from pretty much anything. Needs a bit of command-line fuckery but I'm sure there's a gui wrapper for windows.
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u/Pool-LAN 6h ago
Whenever I use one of those things they never have the deleted comments I want to use them on. I'm sure most people don't bother with them for the same reason.
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u/banzomaikaka 18h ago
xD me too. What a fkin douche lol. Let his company have all the vibe coders
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u/AverageFoxNewsViewer 12h ago
Why was the comment you're responding to removed by Reddit?
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u/Milo_Diazzo 8h ago
Threats of violence against corpos are not condoned on this platform. The only comment I ever got removed by reddit was basically following the Johnny Silverhand path on Sony.
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u/JosebaZilarte 20h ago
"Every vibe we code incurs a technical debt to the GitHub. Sooner or later, the debugging is pain."
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u/OkInterest3109 19h ago
And when AI goes through github to scrape, they are just going to feed vibe code back in.
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u/Daddy_data_nerd 19h ago
This is what scares me the most about vibe coding. Eventually that garbage is going to be swept up and reused in a new version of their model.
Garbage in, garbage out. Repeat infinitely.
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u/RedPum4 18h ago
That's a big problem for generative AI in general. At some point the internet will be chock full of AI generated content, then what is there left to train on? All recent material will be AI generated.
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u/Narfi1 17h ago
That and stagnation.
People come up with clever solutions and new projects when they’re facing hard to solve issues. If AI generates some bs code that’s making it work by doing what’s been done before, you’ll save time sure, but things won’t get better, well just have sameish code everywhere
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u/aitchnyu 10h ago
People are writing markdown documents for LLMs to keep in "mind" while generating code. So LLMs will act on both slop and up to date practices. Yes, Aider and other tools can also take advantage of the so called cursorrules format.
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u/Ok-Juice-542 19h ago
Wait someone actually wrote this
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u/NotMyGovernor 18h ago
What are they EVEN DOING
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u/uber_poutine 16h ago
Delivering a half-viable product with no consideration for maintainability, security, or ability to scale.
Basically, creating messes for developers to clean up (or next gen models? Sourcing clean training data is going to get incredibly difficult, and ouroborosing AI codeslop is a big issue.).
Give it a year or two to degenerate, but the person who wrote this is probably hoping to be acquired by then.
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u/DelusionsOfExistence 16h ago
They'll make money with it and get bought out, so the problem won't be theirs and they've been rewarded.
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u/heliocentric19 4h ago
Look at his LinkedIn, this is a wet behind the ears kid who is trend hopping, milking vcs in the process.
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u/Motor-District-3700 16h ago
why would someone write that when AI could have written it for them. big red flag.
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u/dontletthestankout 19h ago
Company's that advertise using 95% AI code are just begging to be hacked by simple exploits
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u/TheSinnohScrolls 17h ago
Skill issue smh. You just need to add “you’re a security specialist with 20 years of experience” to the prompt.
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u/0xbenedikt 19h ago
Or just replaced by the client after they realize it's all smoke and mirrors that can't be maintained and doesn't work properly
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u/SuperFLEB 17h ago
Or if it's not, what the hell are they paying the middlemen for?
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u/stellarsojourner 19h ago
"If you're not turning your engineerings[sic] into vibe coders, what are you even going?"
We are doing actual engineering, thankyouverymuch.
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u/Few_Music_2118 19h ago
Massive problem in this dead internet era where engagement = monetization is that smart people who would otherwise positively contribute to society spend most of their time cooking up rage bait to funnel eyeballs toward themselves
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u/JanSnowberg 18h ago
This has to be a rage bait xD
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u/nmathew 18h ago
I don't think so, unless it's all bait. His profile is wild. He was the Co-founder of a company creating an NTF exchange for "pro traders."
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u/bigoof94 14h ago
This is what a16z and yc are funding these days, really tells you everything you need to know.
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u/Ok-Kaleidoscope5627 14h ago
The greatest mistake of vibe coders (even more than thinking LLMs can code) is not calling themselves tech priests.
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u/K10111 8h ago
Perhaps because having any dealings with AI is considered tech heresy.
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u/starquakegamma 16h ago
The people I see advocating LLM generated code are the most absolute shit coders I’ve ever come across, and also C level execs slurping up the snake oil. My god this is the idiocracy moment of software development. The ones I feel the most bad for are the junior devs who are growing up with this shit and becoming unable to think for themselves, it’s not a theoretical it’s happening now.
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u/lepapulematoleguau 15h ago
These new startups are just a scheme to funnel investors money into AI companies.
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u/IAmWeary 18h ago
This guy is a fucking idiot and definitely not a dev. I've tried Cursor. It's usefulness is extremely limited. So much of the code it cranks out is a convoluted mess if it even works at all, and you'll probably have to tell it to fix shit half a dozen times before it gets it right, and that's not even including it adding a single new line as a "fix".
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u/boneve_de_neco 15h ago
Those who can build are building, those who can't are shitposting on LinkedIn
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u/dexter2011412 12h ago
Is this the pump and dump scheme but with AI? And this rando an "influencer"? I'm getting intense crypto deja-vu. Replace ai mumbo-jumbo with crypto equivalent to see the difference (or lack thereof).
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u/copperbagel 16h ago
Debugging shit code is gonna be real fucking lucrative in 2026
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u/MarthaEM 10h ago
why would a company even buy a SaaS product if they could vibe code it themselves?
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u/blehmann1 19h ago
Like the implication that B2B SaaS is more tolerable to shitware. Arguably yes, since a lot of it is shitware. But also no one cares if your startup is shitware since a) no one uses it and b) if you're one of the few startups to survive you probably are running little of the original code (either because of rewrites or your product has changed a lot).
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u/null_reference_user 19h ago
Anyone knows what company this dude from? I'm sure their SaaS does not have any known security vulnerabilities that would have been avoided by basic standard practices
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u/MattR0se 11h ago
Measuring productivity by amount of prompts is just as bad as measuring by lines of code.
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u/DatamancerZ 10h ago
Now hold on, vibe coders have their place. They cured the imposter syndrome of every senior programmer practically overnight!
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u/jfrench43 2h ago
"AI is no where near smart enough to replace human beings but business owners and dumb enough to think that it is"
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u/twenafeesh 16h ago edited 16h ago
I am convinced that these posts are just faked advertisements for Cursor. Vibe coding only leads to a loss of skills, or never developing them in the first place.
Also, if "AI" was worth a damn, why would you need "prompt engineers" aka "vibe coders" in the first place?
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u/Cyhawk 8h ago
Also, if "AI" was worth a damn, why would you need "prompt engineers" aka "vibe coders" in the first place?
Current LLMs and Image Models are a lot like early 1990s search engines. There is syntax and specific ways of asking/prompting to get the response you want that requires knowledge. In both cases how you write your query will determine if your desired response is on page 1 or 150.
Thats for prompt engineers, idk wtf vibe coders are supposed to do exactly.
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u/MountScottRumpot 13h ago
As a customer, what the fuck at I paying for if your code base if 95% slop?
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u/Netan_MalDoran 12h ago
Any engineering firm that relies on AI, has no business being in the engineering field with that kind of dogshit IQ.
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u/JaggedMetalOs 8h ago
Yes there is nothing I love more than letting an AI put direct database read/write access in my website front end!
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u/nikadett 7h ago
More like spending 95% of your time arguing with a LLM trying to get it to do what you want.
How many times have you had to correct it, only for it to apologize and say that you are correct?
Now imagine a future where people haven’t learn to code and don’t know when the LLM is correct or not and just go with whatever it generates.
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u/Classic_Fungus 7h ago
My teacher in university said: coding is only 5%. 80% is planning, developing, thinking... All that stuff and last 15% is debugging. He was an old person, nobody liked him, but he told wise things. I use AI too, but AI replaces the 5% of my work, not the 80%. It can write code, but can't think instead you.
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u/worktogethernow 6h ago
So this thing that has never existed before that requires precision timing and careful power management, in a regulated industry, can be made with AI?
Can someone tell me how to do that? It would save me a lot of stress right now.
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u/Al3xutul02 5h ago
"turning your engineerings into vibe coders" brah i ain't listening to someone that can't say fucking "engineer" lmao
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u/Mozai 5h ago
Last night at this fancy event [I am important listen to me] I heard something irresponsible [you should be ashmed if you agree]: most entrepaneurs aren't buying our product. Your employees should be spending all your budget on my product, and then begging you to take out loans to buy more of my product! If not, then you're going to regret it. In small ventures [inexperienced] at least four out of five should be buying our product. Are you one of our competitors? Closer to nineteen in twenty.
If you're not making your employees dependent upon buying our product, then what are you even doing?
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u/heliocentric19 4h ago
Hahahahaha. Someone who founded a startup to make a platform just for 'pro nft traders' doesn't have room to talk about 'responsible business decisions'.
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u/happyapy 4h ago
Spoken like a rich man who was handed a gravy train to ride and doesn't know how to actually do anything.
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u/adh1003 16h ago
If I can just get by for the next 2-3 years to the point where it's all absolutely hit the fan and even the dumbfuck tech bros can't pretend they're right anymore, I'm going to have an absolutely gangbusters career charging serious coin for fixing up the pathetic mess being made by AI-first code practices right now.
The trouble is not ending up losing my house and the shirt on my back in the mean time, since all the jobs in market have totally dried up, Because AI™.
Well, it's not like our industry ever gave a shit about quality, is it? And it's not like us coders ever do much other than blame someone else for the quality of the code we wrote. It's All Management's Fault™, right? So I guess - plus ça change.
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u/utkarsh_aryan 18h ago
Anytime you see YC in someone's bio get ready to hear the shittiest take on AI
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u/wunderbuffer 18h ago
I've walked on some "startup meet-up" in similar vibes before AI. They all had 0 businesses and were just producing jargon words, I proposed some collab with one, but they somehow sniffed out my industrious spirit and ability to build stuff and called me on "you're not entrepreneur, you're a worker!" - said lady who's not selling soap for life, because she's not making any and random dropshipping of shit without brand is not sustainable businesses
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u/Itsavanlifer 18h ago
Who are these people? I got a look at a vibe coded rails app and wanted to pull my brain out through my nose.
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u/chickey23 18h ago
Dear tech bro, please show me a success story. I use AI to try and guess code snippets when I don't know where to look in documentation, but I like to know what I'm shipping and to whom.
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u/No_Nobody4036 18h ago
Can someone start awesome-vibecode or some shit so I know which companies to avoid working with. Thanks
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u/Space-Robot 16h ago
It's unfortunate because there are real advantages it provides but shit like this makes it seem like "ai is useless" vs "ai can do everything"
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u/Ok_Paleontologist974 14h ago
All these people vibe coding aren't seeing just how bad their UI looks because the AI can't follow both the software design and UX. They end up making things visually comparable to early 2000s Roblox games or web 1.0 before the code is such a tangled mess that the AI just starts forgetting CSS or forgetting the structure of JSONs.
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u/1relaxingstorm 12h ago
Why do they make it sound like AI generated is over the top of human brains? I don't like how they make it sound. It's funny. More funny with the percentile thing going on
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u/blackcomb-pc 10h ago
Adam has evidently zero experience in programming and also zero understanding about tech in general.
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u/HeracliusAugutus 10h ago
I hope vibe "coders" continue to bombastically advertise that they're incompetent halfwits, that way they can be blacklisted from every worthwhile org and project.
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u/the_star_lord 9h ago
AI is a tool to support workers not replace them. Well that's what it should be like. Imo.
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u/TerryHarris408 9h ago
This whole post was generated by AI. Also, it's not a red flag - this is all false flag. He just wants vibe coders going out of business.
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u/XboxUser123 20h ago
I propose this: encourage vibe coders to continue coding, then the industry of actual programmers who know what they’re programming will boom because the market will be oversaturated with “need debuggers!”
We feed them the problem of vibe coding, that way we can sell them the solution of real programming.