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u/Null_Singularity_0 1d ago
If a masked stranger tries to abduct you without identifying themself, shoot them.
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u/Name_retracted 1d ago
Sad part is you as a person defending themselves will now be shot by the other 10 plain clothes gestapo police. Not like anyone who would defend themselves in this situation would simply be arrested and thrown in jail if an officer was shot.
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u/devilsleeping 14h ago
From now on masked abductors just have to yell ICE and.....
do you see the problem?
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u/Jelly_Loyalist68 22h ago
Y’all talk a real tough talk on Reddit. But you have NO IDEA what will happen if a single ICE agent gets shot. It will be zero tolerance and ICE will come down with a hell that will make migrants flee in droves back to their home countries. And if any of you protesters dare shoot an ICE agent on behalf of a criminal border invader, you’ll be Swiss cheesed. Then, at any future migrant detention operation, anyone even gives an inkling they are going to be aggressive, their life can be forfeit.
Be VERY careful of the moronic statements you’re making because at minimum, it will cost you 20 years for domestic terrorism. As it stands now, I’ve gathered and will be forwarding screen shots of your usernames for Terrorist Threat charges.
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u/hair_chomp 3h ago
I don't think you did "come through without any side effects" from your stroke. I think a significant part of your brain died. And I don't think you even realize it.
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u/Jayyz_13 1d ago
So, if the perpetrators are masked, and in unmarked cars with no identification, can you shoot them claiming you were being kidnapped?
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u/PoorDadSon 1d ago edited 18h ago
I'm sure not legally. But as someone who regularly carries, you wouldn't catch me politely asking my kidnapper if they are looking to traffic me for the government or for some other nefarious group.
Edit: I feel like some of y'all don't have a realistic understanding of how the US "justice" system works, or how far down the fascist rabbit hole we have fallen...
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u/Wakkit1988 21h ago
You have a legal right to defend yourself from unlawful detainment.
No warrant = no getting in the van.
There's due fucking process whether they like it or not.
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u/Alone-Phase-8948 9h ago
Sorry but there's a few that would disagree about due process still being a thing.
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u/LegendofLove 22h ago
I don't think the legally will be your problem. Laws seem to be in very low regard among the government
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u/BLoDo7 16h ago edited 10h ago
Ultimately the laws are what we as a people decide. The government is our bitch. Their only role is to do what we tell them.
They don't respect the law, on top of the fact that they're been making it for themselves instead of us for far too long.
The only rules worth respecting at this stage are the rule of We the People to correct tyrannical governments.
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u/LegendofLove 12h ago
Do they actually do what we say? Sure their role is labeled do what we say but putting yourselves above the law by appointing the law seems very contrary to that point. I've got a funny feeling people are gonna be studying the guillotine in a few years if this shit keeps up
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u/Stock-Signature7014 1d ago
Yes. Yes you can. It will need to be argued in court but if this modern gestapo wants to round you up and you are a citizen (for the sake of this argument) and they do not identify themselves or show ID then fire away. It's one of those pesky other amendments (I know, I know there are more than 2!) that protects you against unlawful search and seizure.
In fact if this keeps up I predict some of these so called "agents" are going to walk right into a trap one of these times.
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u/txwildflower21 1d ago
I was afraid for my life seems reasonable when faced with being deported to a murder prison in El Salvador.
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u/External_Produce7781 23h ago
legally, yes. Youd be in the clear. Masked unidentified people trying to grab you is like the very definition of "in fear of my life and safety".
Problem is, yoiu wont live through it. Youll pull, fire, maybe get one or two, and the rest will gun you down right there.
And NOTHING will happen to them for it. Absolutely nothing.
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u/Lost-Succotash-9409 14h ago
THIS is exactly what their precious 2A is for. It’s for defending yourself when the fascists come to punish you for using 1A.
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u/Heavy-Improvement479 22h ago
Yes, legally under the constitution you absolutely can good luck getting it through the Supreme Court though and maybe even some local courts
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u/CommunicationSalt242 22h ago
Kidnapping is kidnapping. Doesn't matter who is doing it. Protect yourself anyway you have to.
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u/Scottiegazelle2 20h ago
Remember that Trump was arguing for the death penalty automatically if you kill a LEO. Before they started masking.
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u/logan-bi 19h ago
Yes and no you will likely be executed and cops will get off Scott free. It has repeatedly happened it’s why people wanted to end no knock raids.
A person who is going to take a shot intentionally will take shot either way. A person who would never take shot at cops might take one if they don’t know it’s the cops.
As for legal end say you make it to court room alive. Our courts even pre Trump are extremely conservative especially when it comes in regards to police.
So you would likely face uphill battle the entire time. With normal self defense case it cost around the cost of new truck.
Considering the nature of it cops deleting body cams lying prosecution and judge out for blood.
You will likely need to spend twice as much and if your stuck with public defender you will likely lose your case.
If you have strong defense don’t expect it to be salvation without good lawyer. They can try to deny bail delay your case. Also in prison you will be known as cop killer which will get guards to target you.
In mean time if they think they are going to lose case. They will keep delaying while offering you “deals” essentially plead guilty get x limited time. Eventually with Hail Mary being time served this limits ability to sue them. And many people desperate to just get out accept the deal.
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u/ElectricSmaug 11h ago
It won't work though. Do you expect the court to rule against the secret police in an authocratic regime?
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u/ILIKE2FLYTHINGS 2h ago
Absolutely not. It is sufficient to inform someone they are under arrest, you have no right to resist (even arrest by private citizen).
If you make it to the trial, expect extremely harsh penalties for murdering a federal agent or other law enforcement officer.
In case this wasn't clear enough, there is no federal law that requires law enforcement officers to identify themselves, reveal their face or reveal their agency affiliation.
Further, federal agents work as a team when making an arrest. You won't have time to draw on multiple agents covering with lethal backup.
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 1d ago
Americans don't have the balls. They talk big with their guns, but they don't have what it takes to action their words.
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u/KneeJerking 1d ago
Hello Comrade, where do you hail from?
Americans kill more Americans per year than you could ever hope to!
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u/Junior_Chard9981 1d ago edited 23h ago
Whatever you say comrade.
It's a meme at this point how many guns Americans own.
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u/blackie_4 1d ago
Stand your ground laws are in a lot of states now. They're going to go after the wrong person and it won't end well
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u/Asher_Tye 1d ago
At which point suddenly MAGA will be absolutely against "stand your ground" and be openly opposed to the second amendment
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u/Tasty-Ad-8262 1d ago
That already happened. The big orange MAGA joker used to say “I don’t remember I have said that” or maybe “second amendment? Never heard of it. Sounds like a bankrupted casino. we should ban it. It is all for America”
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u/External_Produce7781 23h ago
This isnt even a "stand your ground" kinda situation. Even states with a "you need to attempt to flee" thing, you'd be OK. There's guys coming at you from all sides, you cant reasonably try to flee.
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u/fatbunyip 1d ago
The problem isn't what you call it. The problem is how many people are ok with it.
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u/United_Hall4187 1d ago
They have even admitted they have mistakenly sent the wrong people to the concentration camps but they have openly said they will do nothing in order to aid them in getting back to the USA! It is not just people on the street! Several Germans have been detained when entering the USA and at least one Canadian was held for 12 days without due process. This is why most of Europe has issued warnings to their citizens about travelling to the USA! I have never seen a country self destruct as quickly as the USA is. Most Americans are great people but until you stand up for yourselves there is not a lot we can do to help!
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u/GodofHakai 1h ago
Look at a map of the election results and take in all of the red across the states. Most Americans do not live in cities, and us liberal thinkers across the continental US are outnumbered by MAGA. The country is fucked
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u/QuickRevivez 1d ago
It's only a matter of time until they try to do this to somebody who isn't willing to be taken and it gets violent really fast
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u/Falcon3492 1d ago
Just like his first horrible term in office Trump will invite protests and then call in his thugs to either arrest or harass the peaceful protestors. The Constitution and the First Amendment don't mean anything to the fascist Hitler wannabe!
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u/gonk1967 1d ago
Wearing masks, not showing any type of ID, unmarked cars, no legal paperwork (warrants). I don’t want it to happen but is it just a matter of time before an ICE agent is shot?
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u/Stock-Side-6767 1d ago
Well, they want their Reichstag burning, so they are probably hoping for it.
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u/johnrraymond 1d ago
It's traitors to our country trying to destroy us from within. Call it what it really is: asymmetric warfare.
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u/EditorNo2545 1d ago
oh come quit overreacting, it's not like they just toss in a concrete room with bright lights & leave you there or days or weeks without being allowed to contact a lawyer/family or just toss you in a foreign prison system & then say opps to bad you're not on US soil anymore we can't do anything.
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u/LadnavIV 1d ago
I think you’re being sarcastic since that’s exactly what they’ve been doing, but I can’t be sure.
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u/EditorNo2545 1d ago
it's exactly what is going on, it's already to the point you have to carry your papers in case the secret police suddenly stop you.
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u/Ok_Woodpecker_3350 1d ago
/s helps everyone understand your stance. It’s sad we have to add that but that’s how fucked up MAGA is they will actually spew shit like that and mean it
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u/EditorNo2545 1d ago
I often do add the /s but this time I thought it was so obvious since this was what is actually happening, maybe we get it reported on more up here because these things keep happening to our citizens as they travel to the US.
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u/Scottiegazelle2 20h ago
In January I used
/s
In February it was up to
/snark
By march it was
/angrySnark
I'm afraid for April.
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u/Intelligent-Grape137 1d ago
This has been the center piece of right wing paranoia for decades. Now that’s it’s actually happening they are clapping like mentally challenged seals.
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u/ThrOE_away_42069 1d ago
they're just cowards trying to stay out of the crosshairs and praying they're a guard rather than an inmate.
1940s germany wasn't an anomaly. the confirmation of that did something to my entire being. apathetic ennui that I have to push way down every morning before the kids get up.
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u/AstroGoose5 1d ago
Waiting for someone to exercise their 2nd Amendment right and defend themselves against this
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u/unNecessary_Skin 20h ago
the abduction of "illegals" is just the warm-up for them
so they know how it has to be done when it matters
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u/Over-Pick-7366 1d ago
Self defense stand your ground applies here.
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u/mikeybagodonuts 1d ago
An unidentified anyone tries to take somewhere they’re gonna fuckin well remember me.
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u/jackcanyon 23h ago
Keep speaking out.boycott maga and Tesla businesses,know where your money goes,it’s important.
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u/flargenhargen 23h ago
they're LITERALLY DOING THIS.
and they did it during his first reign, so it should surprise no one.
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u/SolCadGuy 12h ago
Refusal to identify themselves while in plain clothes and unmarked cars sounds like a good way to get 2nd Amendment'd
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u/Ancient_Web6309 12h ago
Lmao this is pure delusion. I feel bad for people who believe this garbage.
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u/BoatSouth1911 11h ago
Still not what fascism means 🤦♂️
It’s evil, authoritarian, etc. but fascism is Mussolini and tight government economic control not just being a dictator. There are extra steps.
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u/mitchENM 11h ago
It’s only a matter of time before white US citizens speaking in opposition start getting rounded up
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u/ILIKE2FLYTHINGS 2h ago
Hyperbole and lies, as usual.
US citizens and those extended the privilege to visit our country have nothing to fear.
Illegal aliens are (properly) being returned home to the country they belong in.
Non-citizens who were extended the privilege of entering the United States are being removed when they work against our national security or national interests.
Being in the United States as a non-citizen is a privilege, not a right.
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u/Jelly_Loyalist68 22h ago edited 21h ago
Back in the late 30’s, ALL the brainwashed liberals protesting to Free Gaza and Palestine, would’ve been members of the German American Bund. And just like them, you idiotic liberals think you’re on the correct side of history.
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u/Substantial_Rip_9635 1d ago
Reich is a little fascist.
Nice gaslighting attempt.
Accuse the other squad of what you are guilty of.
Rules for Radicals playbook.
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u/CO-Troublemaker 21h ago
Keep denying as your resources dwindle... Blame others every time you notice the decline...
Frog in a pot.
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u/Top-Anybody1550 22h ago
Reich is an idiot. Democrats used media to lie to and censor Americans during the Kung flu. Forcing people to take an experimental vax or lose their job. Totalitarianism at its best
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u/69AfterAsparagus 16h ago
Would this be called fear mongering? I suppose some sheep will believe this.
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u/PavelnMe 1d ago
They said the same thing in Israel
And nothing happened lol
Just trying to scare everyone, same tactic same left wing
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u/intothewoods76 1d ago
This is true, if you’re openly supporting terrorist groups the government may want to talk to you.
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u/MorgueZzz 1d ago
Free speech applies to speech you don’t like. Hell, even if it was a crime you’d be entitled to due process, none of ICEs victims have had that even though they are entitled to it. Read a book, stasi kisser.
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u/intothewoods76 1d ago
None of the rights in the bill of rights is absolute. “Free speech” does not mean you can openly support terrorist.
As far as ICE, illegal immigrants have limited rights when it comes to due process. Under expedited deportation laws they do not for instance have a right to a trial or see a judge.
I can probably best illustrate the limits on constitutional rights by pointing out a person here in the country illegally cannot purchase a firearm. If rights applied equally to everyone in the US illegal immigrants and even foreign mercenaries could sneak over the border and go buy guns immediately.
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u/nonsensicalsite 1d ago
You are the only terrorist I see
"Well uh I don't like them so they're a terrorist so we get to kidnap and torture you for standing up for their human rights"
Fucking Nazi freak
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u/MorgueZzz 1d ago
You know what man it’s your responsibility to educate yourself and think critically, not my responsibility to do it for you. So I’ll just call you a dumbass.
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u/CO-Troublemaker 21h ago
Let me break this down for you because it seems like there’s some serious confusion here about how the Constitution works. First off, the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments guarantee due process to all persons—not just citizens. The Constitution doesn’t say, ‘Only citizens get fair treatment.’ It says ‘no person shall be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.’ That means everyone in the U.S., regardless of their immigration status, has the right to a fair hearing before being punished or deported. So no, the government can’t just skip legal procedures and throw someone out of the country because they feel like it. That’s not how justice works.
Second, claiming that deportation doesn’t require due process because it’s a ‘civil matter’ is a weak argument. Sure, immigration proceedings are technically civil, but the consequences are life-altering—being separated from your family, sent back to dangerous conditions, or losing everything you’ve built here. If anything, that’s more reason to ensure due process is followed. Skipping proper legal procedures doesn’t make us safer; it just makes us less of a country that values fairness and human rights.
And let’s talk about the Trump administration’s policies for a second. Expanding expedited removal meant people could be deported without ever seeing a judge or having a chance to defend themselves. That’s not ‘enforcing the law’—that’s cutting corners and trampling on constitutional protections. Imagine being accused of something and not even getting the chance to prove your innocence. That’s exactly what happens when due process is ignored in deportation cases.
Finally, let’s address this idea that undocumented immigrants are somehow less deserving of rights because they ‘broke the law.’ Crossing the border without authorization is a civil offense, not a criminal one in most cases. And even if it were criminal, we don’t strip people of their rights just because they’re accused of breaking the law. If we did, what would stop the government from denying your rights next time? The whole point of due process is to protect everyone from government overreach—citizen or not. So yeah, saying ‘due process isn’t necessary for deportation’ isn’t just wrong—it’s dangerous. It undermines the very principles this country was founded on. If you’re okay with skipping due process for others today, don’t be surprised when it comes back to bite you tomorrow.
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u/Lucky_Milk_8904 21h ago
Is this claim based on reality?
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u/CO-Troublemaker 21h ago
Yes
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u/Lucky_Milk_8904 21h ago
Who is speaking their mind and being rounded up on the street by the government?
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u/CO-Troublemaker 20h ago
Examples: Echavez, Ozturk, Kilmar Abrego Garcia, Khalil, Chung... many others.
...additionally, ICE "disappeared" the New Mexico 48... THAT is absolutely against our Constitution
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u/Lucky_Milk_8904 20h ago
To be clear are all these people on visas? So to be more specific, if that's the case not anyone will be arrested and detained by federal agents for saying rhe 'wrong thing'. What have these people been saying and doing?
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u/CO-Troublemaker 20h ago
You’re buying into the idea that these people “deserved” to be rounded up? Seriously? Let’s talk specifics then.
• Ozturk: Reportedly, she was targeted for writings critical of US foreign policy. • Echavez: Targeted for leading peaceful protests.The First Amendment is there to protect even unpopular opinions. And the Fifth Amendment? That guarantees due process. These people, visa or no visa, are entitled to a fair hearing. The government doesn’t get to just snatch people off the streets because they don’t like what they’re saying. Without due process, we’re not honoring their rights, or the Constitution, and we’re setting a dangerous precedent.
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u/Lucky_Milk_8904 19h ago
Firstly citizens aren't being rounded up as the post indicated. It's not fascism. I'm not saying they deserved to be rounded up. The facts of their cases matter and they deserve to have a fair hearing. I agree a dangerous precedent can't be set. Visa holders who support terrorists arguably shouldn't be in the US. Just saying.
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u/CO-Troublemaker 19h ago
Arguably is not Constitutionally.
Unless they are clearly violating the bounds of their free speech rights (which includes "support of terrorists"), and that is absolutely given the proper due process... You are arguing against the Constitution.
Unless the speech incites imminent lawless action, poses true threats, or facilitates criminal conduct, support for a terrorist organization is generally protected speech under the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has clarified that “pure political speech,” including expressing support or membership in such organizations, does not constitute “material support” unless it involves direct coordination or actions under their direction.
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u/Lucky_Milk_8904 19h ago
I agree with you. I'm just not sure if it applies to visa holders, maybe it does. Let's wait for the facts to come out and for them to have their hearings.
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u/CO-Troublemaker 16h ago
That is very disingenuous.
There are very easy ways to educate yourself on the Constitution. 🙄
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u/Usual_Part_3774 1d ago
Yet the democrats have no problems funding the Israeli doing this to the Palestinians. It's not so awesome when they start doing it to you. Now it's bad
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u/CichlidHunter 1d ago
Totally made Trump the better pick. Not like he’s looking to turn the place into a resort or anything.
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u/Usual_Part_3774 1d ago
What does that have to do with the hypocrisy of you people?
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u/Full_FrontalLobotomy 1d ago
Hmmm - I missed the part where Biden said the Palestinians should leave so that the US can build resorts there. Was your mother drunk during her entire pregnancy?
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u/Usual_Part_3774 1d ago
Name checks out. You seem to have been lobotomiezed.
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u/Htownsbrightest 1d ago
Aw, someone doesn't like the facts. Sorry people aren't tolerating your bullshit though.
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u/HappyAd4299 1d ago
I mean, yeah, both parties have been supporting the atrocities in Palestine. They’re both horrific.
Does that mean we can’t point out the fascist actions at homes too?
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