r/Republican • u/ObamasDeadChef • 17d ago
News Trump to sign executive order to abolish the Department of Education
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-sign-executive-order-abolish-department-education9
u/mtenuyl 17d ago
So what will this do for special education programs and IEPs?
Were those not regulated by ED?
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u/Shrimpfriedthisrice3 17d ago
They’re being moved to a different department. This was more of a downsizing vs an elimination. There is no reason they needed to spend 5 trillion dollars over a few decades to file IEPs and Title 1 funds.
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u/mtenuyl 17d ago
This is the reply I'm looking for thank you. Was it stated or do we have a source for where these programs are getting moved to?
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u/Shrimpfriedthisrice3 17d ago
He mentioned it in the address and said “they will be moved to other departments that will take very very good care of them” No details on where at this moment
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u/BadWowDoge 17d ago
We pay more per student than any other country and are ranked amongst the bottom of student learning… something needs to change.
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u/pinksweetspot 17d ago
As a teacher, I agree. Many factors come into play- but what does it say about our system when a student can graduate with a 3.5 GPA and can't read?
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u/Lynke524 17d ago
What did it say when I graduated with a 2.9 in 2006? I was in special education, so maybe that's why I got away with it.
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u/BadWowDoge 17d ago
Exactly. This is just proof of how much waste and corruption there is inside the DOE.
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u/stalkerofthedead 16d ago
My sister constantly has her first grad classroom micromanaged by high payed administrators who have never taught a day in their lives. Something has to change.
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u/Zapor 17d ago
Research suggests the US education rankings have declined over the last twenty years when compared globally, especially in mathematics. PISA scores show a 28-point drop in US math performance from 2000 to 2022, while other countries improved.
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u/KaijuKatt 17d ago
It's so messed up that in some states kids are literally being graduated without the ability to properly read and comprehend. In my day, you stayed back and repeated the grade, until you learned what you needed to learn.
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u/BadWowDoge 17d ago
Yep. At best, the money is being wasted. At worst, it’s being funneled into the pockets of those in charge. Either way it needs to be gutted and rebuilt.
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u/futuristicplatapus 17d ago
Doesn’t the department of education deal with student loans?
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u/Sme11Gibson 17d ago
Pretty sure they already discussed moving the loans to another department.
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u/pharmerK 17d ago
So… what’s the point? They’ll have to hire people to do the same work somewhere else. What is gained here?
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u/KaijuKatt 17d ago
A lot of those folks will be rehired by other departments that will be delegated to disperse funding to the states.
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u/TheJackal60 17d ago
He won't be able to abolish the Dept, it was created by an act of Congress, but he can ensure they don't spend money. McMahon will make sure of that.
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u/Syncretistic 17d ago
This will be transformative. We should expect to see some states institute better programs, and other states worsen. Going to be a lot of valuable learnings from this experiment.
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u/Difficult_Fondant580 17d ago
I think the experiment was the 45 years of having a DoE. Education levels have only fallen over these 45 years. Experiment was a failure.
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u/tlivingd 17d ago
While I agree no child behind and what not were near failures, this will have severe impact where some states will provide a large number of resources to education think California vs states that can provide little to no resources to education think Alaska. While I don’t agree it’s 100%, but this will heavily depend on funding provided.
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u/garupan_fan 17d ago
CA spends tons of money in education in itself as has one of the lowest test scores. It used to be the best with new UC and CSU universities being built every few years, but that pretty much went away since the early 2000s.
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u/Difficult_Fondant580 16d ago
Alaska has money. It's the only state to regularly pay money to its residents.
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u/BotherResponsible378 17d ago
Right. It’s not going to be 1-1 poor states suffer and rich states don’t. But overall, more money in the correct hands will always do more than less money in the right hands.
Regardless, killing the Department of Ed, or returning it, the US must address the falling standards.
We should be doing anything we can to make sure our country is producing the highest educated children on the planet.
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u/brneyedgrrl 17d ago edited 17d ago
I'm going to voice a very unpopular opinion, but I have an old Wall Street Journal article from back in the 90s that backs me up (if I can find it). Parochial schools somehow figure out a way to spend less per student than most public schools, and this includes teacher's salaries. And YET, their test scores are typically streets ahead of their public school counterparts'. Not only that, they attend universities/colleges at a higher rate than their public school peers. How does that work, you might ask? I can only speak to my own experience - my five siblings and I attended parochial school from first grade through senior year in high school, then attended various colleges/universities and in this mix we have three engineers, a lawyer, a physican, and a nurse. I think part of this is parental involvement (when you're paying a lot for tuition, you tend to take a pretty intense interest in the education for which you're paying) and part of it is the structure and atmosphere of the parochial schools. Also - there's no special interest involved. For a couple quick examples, textbooks are selected for quality, not because someone's business partner owns the textbook company. Curriculum focuses on preparation for higher learning, not just passing a test. So I truly do think that the correct amount of money in the proper environment - without all the rigmarole of DOE bullshit - would be a great boon to the education landscape in this country.
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u/Alarming-Upstairs963 17d ago
They are so focused on equality instead of raising the low scores they dumb down the academically inclined.
It’s no coincidence as we’ve spent more money on education scores have declined
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u/Syncretistic 16d ago
Yup. Parental involvement among other vested parents at a school whose goals are to focus on learning; not just passing standardized tests.
I wish for a balance. On one hand schools should have agency to focus on the curriculum they feel is needed. On the other hand, some set of standards are needed to measure across schools, regions, states. And inherently, it becomes too easy to teach to the tests themselves than the intended curriculum.
Will be hoping for the best.
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u/smile_drinkPepsi 17d ago
With this order what is going to change?
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u/Shrimpfriedthisrice3 17d ago
Downsizing of a lot of waste and career union teachers collecting paychecks for doing nothing.
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u/ConcernNo4462 16d ago
Agree! Our education is broke at the local and state levels, not the federal. Shut them down and make the states accountable. States are not properly giving local funding what they need.
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u/MarthaT001 8d ago
I have a friend who works at an elementary school. She told me that one of the teachers there has a husband that substitute teaches there all the time. The problem is that he is a full-time WFH employee of the Department of Education.
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u/tomcat91709 17d ago
The DoE gave us "No Child Left Behind" and other great debacles that set our country back decades.
The original intent was to better educate our students nation-wide.
But it didn't consider those who didn't want to, or couldn't, go to college, and those who preferred to work with their hands. This is why we are so short in trades-people.
We need car mechanics, welders, electricians, woodcrafters, and other skilled people desperately. We have people with $100,000 student debts who have no way to earn a living, yet a tradesman can earn as much as $250,000 a year.
Dirty hands make clean money, and people who can do something with their hands sleep really well at night.
Source: I have a degree in Industrial Education, aka a shop teacher. I've seen this from my students!
Bring back the trades!
mikeroweworks
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u/ftge1337 17d ago
aint no mechanic making 250k
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u/DunningKrugerinAL 17d ago
plumbers can, I have a friend who's a plumber, I make a good living, his best year ever, $350K and it's just him.
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u/tomcat91709 17d ago
Try re-reading my post with better reading comprehension. I never said mechanics.
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u/ftge1337 17d ago
We need car mechanics, welders, electricians, woodcrafters, and other skilled people desperately.
yet a tradesman can earn as much as $250,000 a year.
try replying with a less shitty attitude
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u/Vintagepoolside 17d ago
For real. It was “go to college!” Then it was “college degree isn’t worth anything, go back to blue collar!”
When really, we should just tell people to follow their natural talents as much as possible. If you thrive in academia then college is probably good for you. If you thrive in hands on work, blue collar may be better. We keep trying to convince every generation to make it by over saturating every job field cycle after cycle. Just do what you are good at and like. Obviously everyone won’t have a dream job or become rich, but wasting years of life doing something that doesn’t fit for you just to make a little extra money isn’t worth it.
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u/ftge1337 17d ago
100% agree with this, everyones chasing the biggest bag then wondering why theyre unhappy all the time
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u/MaleficentMulberry42 17d ago
I really think we need to help people in poverty with their living situation because it generally not the issue of anything else.
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u/Important_Piglet7363 17d ago
Waiting for the wails and screams of the leftists….
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u/Profit_Euphoric 17d ago
Or the general public that lean on the govt for funds since that’s what they depend on in several areas of the US….
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u/Important_Piglet7363 17d ago
The federal government will still be providing funding to the states. The dept of education will just not dictate policy and curriculum.
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u/vinegar_strokes68 17d ago
This is really all that matters in this discussion. DC beaurocrats no longer dictating curricula to teachers. Let the teachers cook!
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u/Important_Piglet7363 17d ago
Exactly! The DOE took us from 1st place in the world on education to the bottom rungs. No more wokeness getting in the way of actual education.
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u/PwnedDead 17d ago
Correct answer. The money is there by law but who should distribute it, is up for debate
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u/Important_Piglet7363 17d ago
The DOE will probably exist in some form. It would take Congress to completely shut it down. I can see its scope being severely curtailed, however.
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u/Profit_Euphoric 17d ago
My bad. So much to keep up with in the past 2 months.
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u/Important_Piglet7363 17d ago
No worries. There’s so much happening these days no one can keep it all straight.
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u/MaleficentMulberry42 17d ago
There alot of people were saying that this was not the case but with that being such as dystopian ideal I did not think it was the case.
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u/Cancelculturesucks- 17d ago edited 17d ago
I didn’t know how to think about it until I found out that almost all the high school students in Baltimore can’t read past 2nd grade levels so they obviously haven’t been doing much of a good job. I’m also willing to bet that a lot of these federal DOE employees put their children through private school.
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u/Dacklar 17d ago
BALTIMORE (WBFF) — A Baltimore City teacher came forward with devastating information that showed 77% of students tested at one high school are reading at an elementary school level.
The teacher works at Patterson High School, one of the largest high schools in Baltimore with a 61% graduation rate and a nearly $12 million budget. We agreed not to identify this source who fears retribution for giving Project Baltimore the results of iReady assessments.
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u/Old_Investigator3808 16d ago
I don’t even fully know what the Department of Education does. Does it choose curriculum and stuff for the schools or is it just there to handle funding? I’m 27 and don’t know is that a sign it’s not doing a good job haha.
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u/El_Nathan_ 17d ago
I can smell the people coming here to say “erm ackshually ☝️🤓 the abbreviation is ED, DoE stands for Department of Energy ☝️🤓”
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u/garupan_fan 17d ago edited 17d ago
Abolish Dept of Education, privatize (or at least partially privatize) Amtrak and USPS. These alone would save billions over the years.
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