r/RepublicofNE • u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven • 5d ago
We need to GET BACK ON THIS!
Hello, Fellow New Englanders and Friends around the world,
I've noticed we've strayed recently. Gotten into the nitty - gritty of "What will our government be?" or "Will NY be a part?". We don't need to care at the moment, people, What we need to care about is how we'll get there - and spreading the word. We need smart people working on how we'll get referendums on the table and passed, and not tiny things like that. On the other hand, we need to spread the word as much as possible, Keeping people active, and teaching people everything they'll need to campaign for an independent New England.
Thank you all!
30
u/WorkItMakeItDoIt Massachusetts 5d ago
When I was younger, I went to buy a set of towels, and I thought I would get a nice set that would look good in the bathroom of my future house.
It was years before I bought that house, and when I did, I didn't own those towels.
8
17
u/Illustrious-Sun1117 Connecticut 5d ago
Referendum on any issue is straightforward in MA and ME: Start collecting signatures on January 1st of any year before an election year. So 2027, 2031, 2035, etc.
Get X number of signatures by Y date, then hold the referendum during the election year.
7
u/bitchingdownthedrain Connecticut 5d ago
Agreed, but those conversations do need to be had. I think with the pace that everything has moved this year there's a lot of ground to be made as far as bringing people into the movement - but it also pushed this space from a more theoretical "what could this look like?" into actually a breeding ground for something, with incredible speed. I personally don't know where the balance is as far as, making sure we have infrastructure set up when the time comes but also pushing the movement forward to reality.
That said I talked about this with my (not chronically online) tattoo artist over the weekend and, with no explanation besides "independent New England" I got a resounding "fuck yes lets do that", so there's that lol.
2
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 5d ago
Of course, someday it will matter. If we manage to completely break away and refederate as New England, it will matter.
4
u/Aggravating_Yak_1006 5d ago
Nitty gritty is also important.
2
u/WorkItMakeItDoIt Massachusetts 5d ago
True, but at this point it's just premature. You need buy in before a movement has momentum. The organizers themselves need some structure, but all the movement itself needs is a vision that appeals to the populace.
5
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 5d ago
Oof, really hate to burst your bubble, but at this point in the movement talking about what the government will be is not productive.
9
u/Emerald_196 Vermont 5d ago
Would you rather gain independence with a plan or gain independence in total anarchy?
9
u/DQUACK1 New Amsterdammer (Allied) 5d ago
Tbh you could do a constitutional convention with referendum. Just have a provisional government until a agreed constitution is adopted and elections held
10
u/Irish_Queen_79 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes. Just like America. The US Constitution wasn't ready to roll out when we seceded. We were governed by the Articles of Confederation first. New England can do something similar while we hammer out the actual government. Spreading the word, trying to get state and local leaders on board, and getting things set in place to actually leave is what we should be focusing on right now.
ETA: Original comment said Declaration of Independence instead of Constitution and Articles of Federation instead of Confederation. Trying to multitask sucks sometimes, lol!
3
u/D2Foley 5d ago
The Declaration of Independence was the secession, predates the articles of confederation and was issued by a goverment made up of representatives from all the states.
2
u/Irish_Queen_79 5d ago
Yup, sorry. That should read Articles of Confederation and Constitution. That's what I get for trying to multitask, lol! I will edit my original comment. Thanks!
2
2
u/Aggravating_Yak_1006 5d ago
You have to be able to propose an alternative that can be believed in rather than just say let's goooo.
That being said, there was a great post about our legislative goals for this year.
We're on step 4/100. But we should absolutely have an idea of what step 100 looks like. Ie a plan we can rally around.
Here's what it looked like when Lithuanians campaigned for independence from USSR.
https://nvdatabase.swarthmore.edu/content/lithuanians-campaign-national-independence-1988-1991
0
5d ago
[deleted]
8
u/Lordgeorge16 Massachusetts 5d ago
If there's one institution you should fear more than anything else, it's the IRS. You can and will go to prison for willfully not paying your taxes. That's how they got Al Capone after all those years he spent being a gangster and paying off judges for murder and drug trafficking charges. Bro didn't pay his taxes.
You're a fucking idiot if you think this is good advice to spread.
3
u/ReporterMental3030 5d ago
We'd have to do it as a collective. New York was working on some legislation about it I believe. They can go after individuals. They can't go after all of us.
-2
5d ago
[deleted]
2
u/Lordgeorge16 Massachusetts 5d ago
advising people not to pay their taxes as a form of protest
Hurr durr it's not advice I'm just kidding
-2
5d ago
[deleted]
1
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 4d ago
We can amend an amendment that does not destroy society. We can’t amend literal taxation. Are you stupid?
0
3d ago
[deleted]
1
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 3d ago
we don't need to though, taxes are essential to states, just not to the feds
0
3d ago
[deleted]
0
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 3d ago
shut 👏 up 👏 about 👏 the 👏 taxes 👏 bro, that isn't what we're talking about, this is about getting to secession
→ More replies (0)1
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 4d ago
are you saying that we should only listen to you if we’re autistic?
-5
u/D2Foley 5d ago
Don't think about what happens after? Why would anybody join a movement that will destroy the peace and prosperity that allowed New England to be one of the richest most successful regions in the entire world and not worry about what comes after?
10
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
Imagine how much lower your taxes would be if we didn’t have to subsidize the red states and pay the presidents salary
-1
u/D2Foley 5d ago edited 4d ago
Not lower at all because now all the money is going to a defense budget big enough to keep the remaining united states from invading. And that's assuming I even have a job given that where I work doesn't have its headquarters in New England and relies on federal funding.
2
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
I’m ngl that’s speculation
1
u/D2Foley 5d ago
So is expecting secession to be peaceful and have no financial or economic impact at all.
4
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
Obviously it would have a huge economic impact that would take years to get over. But currently we’re facing the same thing, entirely due to the current potus’s actions
2
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
Not at all, what gave you that idea?
1
u/D2Foley 5d ago
Imagine how much lower your taxes would be if we didn’t have to subsidize the red states and pay the presidents salary
0
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
What about that is wrong. Are you aware how much we pay into the federal government compared to how much we receive back?
2
u/D2Foley 5d ago
All of it. An independent New England needs to pay for defense and all the entitlements that the federal goverment pays for. And once again I may not have a job given that where I work is now headquartered in a country that is hostile to mine.
If you're secession argument is that an independent new England will instantly be stronger economically and result in you paying less taxes, it's a bad argument.
3
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 5d ago
it’s a crazy little thing called “provisional government and referendum”
4
u/D2Foley 5d ago
What does this provisional goverment look like? Who is running it? Where does their authority come from?
1
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
Their authority comes from their ability to defend itself and the New Englanders that decide to follow it
1
u/D2Foley 5d ago
So whoever has the most guns? Sounds like a great time.
0
u/NellyOnTheBeat 5d ago
There are multiple ways to interpret my words. Defend itself doesn’t just mean physicaly it’s also bureaucracy and stability. A stable government that’s accepted by the people is far more likely to succeed than some warlord ruling with guns
0
5d ago
[deleted]
1
u/zonebrobujhmhgv AnAppealToHeaven 4d ago
Nope sorry. We don’t need it, it’s not NE. Plus - are you underestimating our apple production?
47
u/SandalsResort 5d ago
I’ve been going to the 50501 protests and handling out flyers from the NEIC website.
We’ll argue about Boston being the capital or not later. It’s ok to have fun time to time, like talking about our National bird or Yankee Doodle being our anthem, but for now the most serious thing you can do is raise awareness.