r/SapphoAndHerFriend • u/PonyDev • Mar 03 '25

Media erasure Evil translators add lesbian subtext

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Male bocchi fans deby fact that Bocchi is gay, despite fact that in dozens of chapters she yarns for girlfriend and has feeling toward other girls

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u/BlueberryCats_ Mar 03 '25

i think its hilarious that the solution to these translation debates hasn't ever once been "why don't we ask a Japanese person what it says in the original"

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u/TheRenFerret Mar 03 '25

They absolutely have, it’s just that person is also a homophobe

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u/Heather_Chandelure Mar 03 '25

Or if they're not, they just ignore what the Japanese person says

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u/Discutons Mar 04 '25

It's like trying to talk with flat earthers.

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u/Throwaway392308 Mar 03 '25

You mean like how white Americans were utterly convinced that having a black samurai in a video game was DEI and offensive to Japanese people, while actual Japanese people said he's a real historical figure they all learn about in school and it would be cool to play as him?

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u/n-some Mar 03 '25

I can't believe DEI has gotten so ingrained in Japanese schools that they believe it's historically accurate! Everyone knows it's impossible for people from a different ethnicity to live in a foreign country, or at least that's what the ethno-nationalist on Joe Rogan told me. /s

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u/Chiiro Mar 03 '25

People were even trying to claim that Japanese fans were angry about that but the only thing I could find about the Japanese fans is that they were having discussions about how that character would fit in (to my understanding the dude wasn't allowed to travel the country) but didn't care at all about his skin tone.

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u/asphalt_licker Mar 05 '25

Literally the only negative thing I’ve heard about that game from Japanese people is the misuse of the Torii gate, an important cultural structure. Otherwise they don’t care that Yasuke’s in the game.

Plus. This is freaking Assassin’s Creed. They never really cared about 100% historical accuracy.

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u/Thank_You_Aziz Mar 04 '25

What’s hilarious is you can find old comments when the Chadwick Boseman Yasuke movie was coming out, and the usual crowd of white Americans was like, “Finally, a cool story about a black person that is actually based on reality instead of being shoehorned in.” Then they changed their tune when grifters told them to.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '25

Completely made up characters: Historically accurate

Actual person who existed: Historical revisionism

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u/Ranulf13 Mar 03 '25

Do you actually believe that weebs think japanese people are, well, people? And not apolitical, pale and cishet anime caricatures?

Japanese people and specially women have talked against pedophilia pushed by anime and they get mocked on twitter.

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u/Chiiro Mar 03 '25

I had to unsub from the Japanese people Twitter subreddit because they called every woman on there who was above the age of like 16 a hag.

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u/drunk-tusker Mar 04 '25

Having actually interacted with Japanese people and seeing how Americans talk about Japanese people and how they talk to Japanese people…

Japan and Japanese people are a parable of good or bad however little your usage of them or their culture matches reality.

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u/dergbold4076 Mar 06 '25

I knew someone from Japan and worked with people from all round Asia Pacific and SE Asia (but not central I think). And hey were some of the best people.

Both me and a former friend looked at another person in that friend group when he made the usual comment about Asian women, we all know the toxic one. We both knew otherwise and that not everyone is the same. Nor is anime even remotely close to real life. I am glad I don't hang around them anymore.

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u/LuminatiHD Mar 03 '25

why would you read bocci the rock if you didnt believe they were all kinda gay for each other thats like one of the main appeals of the series

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u/patangpatang Mar 04 '25

There is no hetero explanation for anything that happens in Bocchi the Rock.

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u/LuminatiHD Mar 04 '25

if it isnt homosexuality, its neurodivergence

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u/NoteBlock08 Mar 03 '25

I'm a huge BoKita fan.... but that came long after I was already hooked on the story.

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u/NinjasStoleMyName Mar 04 '25

I hope to god they get over being gay for each other and settle for being gay for other female friends and school colleagues because those teenagers are never selling out the Budokan if they start dating within the band, that is a recipe for disaster.

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u/obsidian_lance Mar 04 '25

Fleetwood Mac: The Animated Series?

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u/JuviaLynn Mar 03 '25

I mean I watched and loved the show and I never got a hint of romance between the main cast tbh, was surprised when I saw it posted somewhere

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u/LuminatiHD Mar 03 '25

kita joined the band explicitly because she had a crush on ryo

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u/Chiiro Mar 03 '25

I have only heard about the series from people talking about it and I think this is the first time I have actually heard anyone mentioned this. It's usually worded like "she joined the band for Ryo"

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u/LuminatiHD Mar 04 '25

i might need to look it up but iirc she joined the band (to impress ryo) before bocci but then left bc she actually couldnt play the guitar (she lied about being able to). after bocci joins, kita then asks her to teach her the guitar so she could rejoin

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u/JuviaLynn Mar 03 '25

Ohh yeah, I wouldn’t really say that’s one of the main appeal of the show/manga though personally it feels more like comic relief, and with Bocchi specifically there isn’t much in the way of romance at least currently in the anime

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u/jabracadaniel Mar 07 '25

ah yes, the comic relief of.. lesbian?

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u/JuviaLynn Mar 07 '25

?? Hopeless romantic to brick wall is a common trope. Why would I be referring to the lesbian part!

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u/jabracadaniel Mar 07 '25

because "there isn't much in the way of romance" according to you. and the whole discussion of this post is around whether there are lesbians in bocchi

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u/JuviaLynn Mar 07 '25

It’s a comedy anime above all else, romance in comedies never goes anywhere that’s just how comedies are. This is literally r/sapphoandherfriend why would I be homophobic? And yeah, there literally isn’t much in the way of romance cause it’s just a reoccurring gag, it doesn’t happen very often because neither of those characters are the main focus of the show. Would you honestly call Bocchi a romantic comedy?

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u/SquareThings Mar 04 '25

Let’s settle this. I speak Japanese, I looked at the original panel from the manga. While it’s a little ambiguous, the cosplayer girlfriend is listed alongside other things she can “get,” like a brand deal. So yeah, she wants a girlfriend who cosplays.

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u/Icy-Blacksmith-1995 Mar 05 '25

Hey! There's an episode where the band dresses like a boy band, and Bocchi very nervously says "Hey... I don't think I'm going to be successful with the girls", was that right?

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u/immafuxkyourmom Mar 03 '25

So sick of Reddit being male centric in general 🙄

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u/ProfesssionalCatgirl Mar 03 '25

Weebs will bitch about anything a localization changes, even if you can't legally release the original in the target region

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u/ScarletLotus182 Mar 03 '25

We need to start gatekeeping straight people

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u/The-Pentegram Mar 03 '25

Wanting to be a cosplayer's girlfriend literally has the same meaning as wanting a cosplayer girlfriend. What are they on?

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u/JuviaLynn Mar 03 '25

Cosplayers can be men…

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u/The-Pentegram Mar 03 '25

Oh wow I forgot how to English. Thanks for the correction.

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u/Pedantichrist Mar 03 '25

Why is that evil?

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u/Sylint11020 Mar 03 '25

I think it's a good thing and we need more of it, personally. I love lesbian subtext.

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u/Throwaway392308 Mar 03 '25

There's already too much lesbian subtext. We need more lesbian domtext.

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u/Koischaap Mar 03 '25

You got me in the first half ngl

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u/Mr7000000 Mar 04 '25

I believe the title is sarcastic.

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u/Thebiginfinity Mar 06 '25

Not only is that specific moment not ambiguous at all about Bocchi wanting a cosplayer girlfriend, multiple times she fantasizes about impressing big-boobed extroverts

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u/Arditian 16d ago

I'm waiting until XepoTheQuestor or someone named like that just pops up and starts getting flamed for what they're gonna say LMAO

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u/TroutMaskDuplica Mar 04 '25

I don't remember anything about "say gex shit" when I read "Black skin. White masks." People should take Fanon seriously though. He's an OG