r/Scotch • u/FoxFurFarms • 3d ago

Kilkerran 12 value?

What makes this a "value whisky"? It was voted best value whisky for the OSWAs very recently but I'm not seeing it for under $100.

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u/peterm18 3d ago

You’re forgetting that the OSWAs are a UK based award discussing a Scottish product. They can’t possibly take into account price and availability for every single market. I got my bottle for like £46 which is around $61. It’s really good value for that price.

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u/FoxFurFarms 3d ago

I wonder why it's getting that massive markup when other brands aren't.

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u/ZipBlu 3d ago

It’s their importer, Pacific Edge. They jack up the prices and do a lot of shady stuff around Springbank products. One of my local shops said that the distributor was insisting that they buy other, poorly selling PE products to get any Springbank and at least one shop near me refused to play ball.

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u/Icewaterchrist 2d ago edited 2d ago

This is a normal practice in the industry, as aggravating as it is to the consumer. Most of the time, it's not other "poorly selling" products, but that the shop is not selling any PE products at all. Why should PE sell to cherry-pickers whom they only hear from when Springbank gets inbounded. PE's real sin is that they sell most of the Springbank in California as they are the importer *and* wholesaler. Their wholesale customers in other states get dribs and drabs.

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u/ZipBlu 2d ago

While most brands do this to some extent, the two retailers that I spoke to led me to believe that it’s much more egregious in PE’s case.

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u/Icewaterchrist 2d ago

Take what the retailers say with a grain of salt. The PE catalog has a ton of cool stuff.

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u/yeongspirits 3d ago

springbank being too rare and expensive, Kilkerran is becoming the next target "big thing" each year

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u/ShooPonies 3d ago

There's plenty available on the auctions at a sensible price.

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u/realMCalistair 3d ago

Some spillover from the springbank hype I guess? It's getting more and more recognition and probably doesn't have the supply in many markets yet... Without knowing where you are

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u/peterm18 3d ago

Maybe because it won an award at the OSWAs.

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u/FoxFurFarms 3d ago

No I did some digging. It was the same pre award

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u/vimto_boy 3d ago

Depends on your local market... it's £50-55 in the UK when available, which is IMO good value... it's a fantastic dram.

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u/ESPBSS 3d ago

Tyndrum whisky have it for £46.90

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u/vimto_boy 3d ago

Thanks! I've still got one in the stash, but that's a solid price these days

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u/FoxFurFarms 3d ago

Yeah that would be great. It seems to be getting marked up much more than other brands but maybe I'm just not familiar with the price differences.

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u/LordBelakor 3d ago

55-60€ in my market. Seems like a pretty alright price.

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u/capall 3d ago

around the same price for me

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u/Bryceybryce 3d ago

The US operates under a three tier distribution system involving the producer, the distributor, and the retailer. This alone means whisky will most likely be more expensive in the US than the UK before even factoring in the actual import costs and duties which drives costs further (the distributor needs to make their nut on top of the costs of importing and distribution). In this case, Pacific Edge is the distributor. They effectively get to set the US MSRP. They’ve decided to price it like Springbank 10. Given the relatively small supply and strong demand, retailers seem happy to buy from Pacifuc Edge at ~$75 and sell at MSRP of $100 (assumed 33% margin) with enough consumer demand to support these prices

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u/BoneHugsHominy 3d ago edited 3d ago

You're mostly correct, but you're using MSRP wrong. Manufacturers Suggested Retail Price or MSRP is the price the producer wants each product sold at in retail. In the US they are prohibited by law from any attempt to enforce their chosen MSRP. Pacific Edge doesn't and cannot set an MSRP because they aren't the manufacturer. They can and absolutely do influence the actual retail price by charging ridiculous fees for their distribution service which is wholesale price, making the retailers' supply costs higher which forces retailers to do retail price mark-ups. The price at which a retailer sells a product is just their retail price, not MSRP.

Producer - MSRP

Distributor - Wholesale Price

Liquor Store - Retail Price

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u/thombrowny 3d ago

I saw it in CA for $89.99 😥

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u/TaxQuestionGuy69 3d ago

Totally worth it! I’ll take kilkerran 12 over most Springbank and many whiskies that are far pricier.

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u/Jordan_King_23 3d ago

Indiana $96…

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u/Actual_Ronald_Reagan 3d ago

Dear god, it’s about $62 here in Czech Republic and one of my favorites. $100+ would be devastating

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u/ResidentProduct8910 3d ago

Yeah that depends on the market, in my area Kilkerran is something you usually can't even find, I have never seen Spingbank in my life as well even on local online stores, but recently some stock of K12 was imported, was sold for 65$ so I grabbed a bottle, now its about 85$.

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u/yeongspirits 3d ago

paid 88 dollars. for what it delivers, it's worth it. Even as value whisky

edit: bought at denmark (whisky.dk)

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u/FrankGrimesss 3d ago

$125 AUD here in Australia, which is 80USD.

To be honest I think its worth that too.

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u/shotgunwiIIie 3d ago

£55 here in Scotland, typically 1 per customer too!! Great value whisky.

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u/barfridge0 2d ago

I can't wait for the cask strength 12, that's going to be a cracker

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u/Welsh_Whisky_Nerd 3d ago

I fear it's where you are. In the UK it's £54 which equates to $71US