r/Silksong • u/45skarksthatparty beleiver ✅️ • 1d ago
OTHER New comments on HK kickstarter page
not sure what hate is being thrown around, ive mainly seen people being hopeful and happy
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u/WeslleyM beleiver ✅️ 23h ago
And it's god itself asking wow (pls someone get the reference)
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u/Geometronics 23h ago
Pun Pun is so good but also so awful.
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u/mohamedenderman Bait. Let me tell you how much I've come to bait you since I be 22h ago
It's one of the two only pieces of media that actually made me cry my eyes out besides omniscient reader's viewpoint (the light novel that I totally recommend as well)
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u/pumpkin_jiji 1d ago
The hate refers to the people who say team cherry OWES us the game or updates about it, because SOME people on Kickstarter managed to get to the "second playable character" goal, which as we know morphed into silksong.
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u/_9x9 doubter ❌️ 23h ago edited 23h ago
I mean they do owe some fulfillment of that goal to the people who payed in right? Isn't that the point of having stretch goals?
They just didn't put a time limit on it.
Some people are wayy too dramatic but I'm more in the middle? Like It feels unreasonable the way they have done whatever blah blah blah. Not in the sense that they owe anyone besides maybe kickstarter backers updates, but instead that I can't see why they're not handing out more info. Like when I imagine myself in their situation It feels like the best choice would be to hire someone to publish more info or whatever. Not even the "right" choice like morally, just idk, I feel like it would be profitable and also I'd wanna show off.
I'm a lot more confused than mad. I can't see why, but that doesn't mean I know better. It just makes me feel like I'm missing some crucial info XD.
I'm a give people the benefit of the doubt type, so the only thing I really want is my curiosity satiated. I hope the fanbase manages to stay generally respectful.
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u/HAK0TA538 beleiver ✅️ 23h ago
Yeah some people really be acting like Tc scammed the backers or sum, when they recieve the game for free on release.
I do think more updates would be nice but I’m not sure exactly what they would show without spoiling any more than they have.
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u/45skarksthatparty beleiver ✅️ 23h ago
this exactly, i fully understand the silence, since they revealed so much in early stages i think it is the good move to ensure the game remains fresh when played.
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u/very_pure_vessel beleiver ✅️ 20h ago
No, they do not owe anyone silksong. Kickstarter goals are just that. Goals. They didn't go through with the second playable character and the game is done.
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u/_9x9 doubter ❌️ 20h ago
I did say maybe. It seems complicated.
If someone told me they felt owed the game cause they donated partially with the stretch goal in mind, and then thought silksong was being offered in place of the kickstarter goal, I wouldn't know how to respond, which Is why I said maybe.
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u/very_pure_vessel beleiver ✅️ 19h ago
How I would respond: You got 4 free dlcs instead, the game was much bigger and better than you could ever wish for, what can you actually complain about? They still added a load of free content even if it wasn't the exact content in that one kickstarter goal. They also did meet all the other goals (other than the wii one, which got replaced by switch). AND they're getting silksong for free on launch. Honestly if I was a backer of HK I couldn't be happier.
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u/UltimatestRedditor beleiver ✅️ 15h ago
Not 4 free dlcs "instead". Those were seperate parts of the roadmap.
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u/very_pure_vessel beleiver ✅️ 9h ago
They were never in the roadmap
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u/UltimatestRedditor beleiver ✅️ 8h ago
Could've sworn they were. Regardless, my point remains the same that entirely separate features have nothing to do with silksong.
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u/_9x9 doubter ❌️ 19h ago
I bet they are mostly or all happy, I don't know any lol. If one of them did legitimately feel like Team Cherry should be getting them the playable hornet I would let them complain. It might feel a little unreasonable considering like the entire coliseum of fools is in there despite not being hit, but if their argument is "the goal was met I want them to get the content to me, I don't think I could outright disagree.
Honestly it kinda feels like there's not a single backer who feels that way. But like. I'm still not gonna say I'm 100% sure TC doesn't owe anyone silksong.
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u/EchoDaDragon 17h ago
The problem is that the only reason silksong is able to be funded, was due to the kickstarter and all the people buying hollow knight.
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u/Specialist-Bit-7746 23h ago
I mean, owing updates makes sense ngl. it's literally the least one can do when your whole project was backed by a group of people. I don't understand the people defending it. I doubt anyone hates TC for taking as much time as they need. tbh they do deserve some criticism and they need to address it. which they haven't and probably won't.
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u/pumpkin_jiji 23h ago
The reason i personally defend it is this: The backers backed hollow knight. A game they got. A game that had things they didnt reach the goals for(colleseum of fools), a game that got 4 FREE dlcs after release Silksong, while yes, being an evolution of one of the backer goals, is a completely different game. A game they DID NOT back. And so they arent OWED anything.
I do think more communication would be nice, the silence is wierd and even somewhat insulting. But news and updates are not OWED
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u/Specialist-Bit-7746 22h ago
the fans literally generated all their revenue and the hype even if we put the backers aside. Do you really believe they don't owe anyone a couple of sentences every couple of months? that's just ungrateful. they didn't even communicate their reasons for being silent. they definitely deserve some extent of backlash over this. their only saving grace is that everyone hopes they make a good game
I'm literally a dev myself and have done creative projects with the same premise. this is totally unacceptable
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u/ImperceptibleShade beleiver ✅️ 10h ago
The fans did not generate revenue. Team Cherry EARNED the revenue by creating a good game. You're pretending people bought hollow knight out of the kindness of their hearts and not to receive an experience. The only thing you're owed for buying Hollow Knight is Hollow Knight, and you received it.
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u/Old-Ad3504 19h ago
This is such an off putting idea. Because you gave someone money they're now indebted to you? Like do you buy girls drinks at bars and then throw fits if they dont want to sleep with you?
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u/Specialist-Bit-7746 11h ago
what kind of backward ass logic is that? you compare sitting on your pc and writing a couple of words with like 1 picture from the art department's thousands of drafts sitting in your trash folder to having sex for a drink?
idea is proportionality. whenever someone made you who you are and successful, you ought to be appreciative and you can do that by LITERALLY typing a few sentences every couple of months.
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u/pumpkin_jiji 22h ago
No, they dont owe us anything They dont owe us a second game, or the 4 free dlcs which we did get I do agree, they should talk more, and I wish they told us why they are silent. And i HOPE they will, once the game is out. Also, Leth did give us some info every few months. That the game is, in fact, in development and not cancelled. Its not enough for you, or me, or anyone really, but it was something. And no, their saving grace isnt that Silksong will be good, its that hollow knight was a 10/10 expirience. They made an amazing game once, with limited time and budget. Now the cuffs are off, and most people trust them to deliver another masterpiece because of that.
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u/DdoeKoishi 19h ago
Like, there's a similar situation handled better: Alabaster Dawn from Radical Fish Games. A game that promises to be even better than Crosscode, their first game.
Not only do they do dev streams where they program stuff for the game, they also upload some assets, clips of the gameplay, etc. They interract with fans and build hype for their uppcoming product. Awesome and healthy fanbase stuff.
Don't know why Team Cherry is so allergic to leaking or showing clips. Their silence is baffling. Its just stupid and dumb all around
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u/Katacutie 23h ago
Yup. "They owe us because muh kickstarter" was the favorite go-to argument for a while, even though it never held any water. After all, they reached the goal for one hornet-reskin dlc and released multiple huge dlcs for free instead. Those who claim this also simply don't know anything about kickstarter and like this backer said, just wanted to use them as a shield to spread hate.
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u/PLAP-PLAP 22h ago
wait so the backers are getting a free copy of silksong?
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u/Felyndiira 21h ago
Yes. As far as we know, we get as many copies of Silksong as we originally did for Hollow Knight, since SS (or rather, "hornet DLC") was one of the backer goals.
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u/very_pure_vessel beleiver ✅️ 20h ago
Not sure what hate is being thrown around? You can't be serious lol
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u/Patty83826 18h ago
Yeah alot of people used the backers as a weapon against team cherry, sucks to see 🤷♂️ imo
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u/45skarksthatparty beleiver ✅️ 19h ago
listen man my whole feed has been so positive recently i forgot about those people
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u/very_pure_vessel beleiver ✅️ 9h ago
Yeah it has been quite the experience seeing the community be like this. I can't wait for the release, it's gonna be spiritual
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u/Lee-bungalow 6h ago
No hate being thrown around here just frustration which is understandable considering the radio silence TC are good at
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u/Exact-Advertising630 Shaw! 1d ago
Thanks for sharing this. I wish more backers left comments and I hope Team Cherry responds to this one.