r/ThatsInsane • u/Onewaydriver • 3d ago
She said “They all after me because I am beautiful “. Secondly, why is it almost always a recently got married young teacher that get caught up in this madness?
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u/among_apes 3d ago
Rape… not carrying on an affair. If I (a male) was a teacher sleeping with a 15yo girl they sure as shit wouldn’t call it an affair.
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u/bmanley620 3d ago
There is definitely a double standard
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u/Slade_Riprock 3d ago
Never entered her mind in this entire encounter that her sleeping with a 15-year-old minor as a teacher was illegal and she was caught for it.
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u/bmanley620 3d ago
Yes she’s clearly a narcissist and delusional. Thinks she can do whatever she wants and they’re only punishing her because she’s so pretty lol
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u/Scarboroughwarning 2d ago
To be honest, her life will have been easier because of her looks.
Probably rarely been held accountable for anything previously
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u/HarrisLam 3d ago
Well, society doesn't teach this, not every boy thinks it's assault/R_pe, some boys might even say they couldn't resist it if it were to happen to them. Now even the media has "other words" to call it than R_pe. Doesn't surprise me that she feels no accountability in this situation.
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u/kr4ckenm3fortune 3d ago
No double standards ..she just didn't have the political power to sweep this like Brock Turner did...and many others...
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u/ManorRocket 2d ago
Brock Turner? The rapist Brock Turner who hates his name and crimes being brought up constantly? That Brock Turner?
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u/Needs-more-cow-bell 2d ago
No, I think they mean Brock Turner the rapist, not the rapist Brock Turner. Who apparently goes by Allen now, or something.
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u/already-taken-wtf 3d ago
Apparently in a lot of jurisdictions the definition of “rape” includes penetration by the perpetrator.
…which makes it a bit gendered.
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u/Fast_Boysenberry9493 3d ago
Yeah so it is impossible to rape a man as a woman as you didn't penetrate them, what in the actual
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u/NKHdad 3d ago
I wouldn't say impossible, but it's still a ridiculous double standard
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u/_cdk 3d ago
i mean, legally, it is impossible since rape requires penetration. it's still a crime but it's not "rape". in the us, the fbi defines rape as 'any non-consensual penetration of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ'. in england and wales, rape is specifically defined as penetration with a penis—other forms of non-consensual penetration fall under “sexual assault by penetration”, while non-penetrative acts are classified as “sexual assault” with maybe something more specific to whatever it is.
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u/Unfair-Wonder5714 3d ago
The actual operative here is “statutory”. When you are a minor, you are legally unable to give consent.
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u/Professional-Bed-173 3d ago
Are we aware that men have butt holes?
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u/MobySick 3d ago
Depends on the wording of the statute itself. In many by not all US states a vaginal or oral copulation of an underage boy’s member is statutory rape, btw. Obviously anal penetration is rape regardless of gender.
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u/Aggravating_Plantain 2d ago
Women can still penetrate men? Taking the statutory text you've provided, it might not be that common of an act, but still possible. Woman are capable of wielding objects, and males have an anus.
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u/TheDudeAbidesAtTimes 3d ago
And in some jurisdictions it has to be with an actual penis not a tool or toy.
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u/MobySick 3d ago
Very rarely is it limited to just the dick. Fingers, tongue, toes, bottles, dildoes, broom and ax handles all count.
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u/Mr__Citizen 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes. The legal definition of rape in America and a lot of other places requires forced penetration. Which is why so many rape stats are rather untrustworthy - things that are obviously rape usually won't be counted as rape in them because it's being based off the legal definitions.
Some places like the CDC try to account for this with things like "forced to penetrate". But that's a pretty recent change and people are still figuring out how to gather that data. And obviously, you still have lots of people with an agenda to show more or less rape of various kinds/situations, so you'll still have to sort through lots of garbage to try to find a study that was done well.
Plenty of places still require rape to be a man forcibly penetrating a woman. I think the UK is still like that, though America hasn't been since 2013.
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u/SlashEssImplied 3d ago
For clarity the current law for all of the US is a bit gendered:
https://www.justice.gov/archives/ovw/blog/updated-definition-rape
“The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim.”
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u/White-tigress 3d ago
One article I read about it is that it actually began when the boy was 13. The mom found the messages going clear back. It was going on a long time. The ‘teacher’ deluded herself it was a relationship.
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u/Slade_Riprock 3d ago
They also wouldn't have been nice and gentle with you when arresting. A few girl dad cops would have likely beat your ass too.
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u/Dbmx33 3d ago
Idk if it’s different in the US but where I’m from a woman can’t technically “rape” someone as it requires penetration. I think it would be classified as SA. But I agree, to call it “an affair” instead of sexually assaulting and manipulating a child would still be crazy
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u/Kuftubby 3d ago
Idk if it’s different in the US but where I’m from a woman can’t technically “rape” someone as it requires penetration. I think it would be classified as SA.
That's incredibly ridiculous
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u/wolfgang784 3d ago
That actually depends on where you live. For the US, there are currently 18 states where women CANNOT rape men.
Its not a thing in those states, and not a crime that can be brought to the courts. Women cannot go to jail for it there because the state does not recognize women raping men as being a real thing.
Here are the states where a woman can legally force herself on a man while he yells no and stop and calls for help and the woman will not face any criminal punishment:
Alaska, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Louisiana, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Rhode Island, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas.
Source:
https://ndaa.org/wp-content/uploads/sexual-assault-chart.pdf
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So if this teacher case happened in one of those 18 states, then it is indeed legally an affair and shes only in trouble for the pedophilia.
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u/kr4ckenm3fortune 3d ago
But if you had influences or had a "promising future", they'll victim blame the 15 yr old and make you the victim.
It a matter of what kind of influences you have.
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u/kmstolly 3d ago
Yeah, I think people keep forgetting how much shit we all (maybe not all) either did, and/ or had happen to us as kids, that we didn’t fully realize was fucked up until we got older. Not until you really see the full picture from a different perspective as an adult. She knew well enough.
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u/ChucklezDaClown 3d ago
When I was 16/17 I had some stints with women I’m sure were married. Even as I near the age some of those women were I still wouldn’t want any of them in jail for it. I pursued the interactions hoping they would happen. It’s a false assumption to believe that any power dynamic = power abuse. Totally not the case. Once even got with my coach on a team I was playing with for a few games. She was an ex olympian and 30. Totally gorgeous, what part of a 17 year old wouldn’t pursue her? I was a model for some time in high school and early college, and it was easy to get nearly anyone. While modeling it wasn’t uncommon for me to eventually get around with older more established women. Just something I chose to do. Very similar to a lot of other male models I knew, some of whom started modeling and hooking up much earlier than I did. Unlike Reddit likes to say, there is a gender difference in these situations 100% and also a look difference. Show an ugly woman and you’ll get a lot less of people saying they wish this happened to them. It is not wrong to say a large amount of men wish this happened to them, and disagree all anyone wants but that’s the simple truth.
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u/usedkleenx 3d ago
It's almost always a female predator in the schools. Yet as a man, I can't take pictures of my granddaughter at the park without 20 women videoing me and shooting me dirty looks. They make me feel like a pervert and I'm just trying to enjoy time with my granddaughter.
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u/Regretful_Bastard 3d ago
This whining sounds incredibly stale by now. You can take pictures of your granddaughter, stop acting like you can't. And, for the love of God, stop pretendind that men aren't the culprit in 9 out of 10 sex crimes commited against minors.
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u/pizzachelts 3d ago
WHY are they calling it an AFFAIR
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u/OneCanSpeak 3d ago
Exactly, an affair is done by consenting, cheating adults dammit. She commited statutory rape! Double standards I tell you!
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u/flannelNcorduroy 2d ago
Because an awful lot of men have a shitty idea of what is sexually appropriate and they have this idea they would have loved to sleep with a hot teacher at his age and don't consider the psychological consequences of such acts.
Men think nothing in their past effects them long term. Same reason they say "my parents beat me and I turned out fine" and mock people who blame any significant portion of their psychological failings as an adult, on their upbringing.
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u/we_the_pickle 3d ago
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u/mamrieatepainttt 3d ago
ew something about him calling her 'mama' on top of the pedophilia. uggggh
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u/Disastrous_Visit9319 3d ago
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"Even though this morning was short it was perfect" made me laugh though.
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u/CHATTYBUG2003 3d ago
Off topic of the offense... Wouldn't they Have to tell her what she was being arrested for if she asked? Genuinely curious, for anyone that knows!
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u/slippykillsticks 3d ago
At least from watching COPS a whole bunch on Pluto TV, I think you can be arrested without being informed of the charges when the police already have a warrant for your arrest. They don't have to mirandize you on the spot either, from what I gather.
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u/DocEastTV 3d ago
only have to mirandize you if they start asking questions. otherwise your answers cant be used against you in court. every department policy is different though about when to mirandize.
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u/jc10189 3d ago
That's not true. ANYTHING you say to a cop whether you've been mirandized or not can and will be used against you.
If you request an answer for the reason you're being arrested or detained, by law they have to tell you. Now when they tell you, that's up to them.
Best thing to do is just not say anything to them. Ever. Answer questions with questions. "Do you know how fast you were going?" "How fast was I going?" Don't be a dick but exercise your right to shut up and say as little as possible.
Always ask for an attorney at ANY point in the arrest process.
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u/DocEastTV 2d ago
anything you volunteer yes. if they ask a question and you respond then they cant use it. they dont have to mirandize you for moving violations lol
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u/slippykillsticks 3d ago
Yep. I also know that under no circumstances can anything you say be used FOR your in court. It's hearsay.
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u/5coolest 3d ago
That depends by if it’s coming from your defense, you can use it. So be if your lawyer said, my client said this during questioning, that’s perfectly valid. It just means the prosecution won’t bring anything up that will hurt their case
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u/CHATTYBUG2003 3d ago
Ahh.. So the warrant makes all the difference here! That makes sense. Thank you!
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u/SmashingWallaby 3d ago
Well kinda. If you have a warrant out for your arrest, they can just arrest you. If they want the evidence of what you say usable in court, they have to read you your rights. Depending on how dirt the cops have on you, they may not need your answers...
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u/Several_Watch_3669 3d ago
No. The police do not have to tell you anything, so as long as the arrest is lawful. Same goes for Miranda Warnings. A major misconception is that your rights always need to be read at or after an arrest.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 3d ago
I thought Habeas Corpus meant you have to be charged with a crime in order to be arrested, but maybe you don't have to be told at the moment of arrest what that crime is? She could have refused to go with law enforcement until being charged I think, but then they probably would have told her?
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u/threejollybargemen 3d ago
The term “habeas corpus” just means “you have the body.” Filing a writ of habeas corpus is basically a way to claim someone is being held illegally (it’s sometimes called “the great writ”). If they have an arrest warrant for her they don’t have to tell her anything. And no cop has to read anyone Miranda if they don’t engage in custodial interrogation, aka questioning someone about the allegations that have placed that person in custody, while they’re in custody. I’ve been a public defender for 12 years, clients complaining about not being read their rights is probably one of the biggest complaints I hear pretty much several times a week.
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u/FeloniousDrunk101 3d ago
Thanks for clearing that up. They do have to be informed of the charges at some point though, right? Wouldn't withholding charges be an illegal detention because you need to know what you are being charged with in order to properly defend yourself?
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u/sparksfan 3d ago
Sometimes they have to question someone before there's justification to charge them. So you're detained on suspicion, taken to the po po station where you are read your rights and questioned if you agree to it, and then charged if they actually have enough evidence to charge you with.
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u/Objective-Tea5324 3d ago
No. You can either be arrested or detained on reasonable suspicion of a crime. It’s not uncommon to be detained and later officially arrested. However an individual rights do change if they are being simply questioned or detained on reasonable suspicion. Example is that you do not have to provide ID if simply being questioned. There is also a time frame involved with these actions; they can’t keep you involuntarily for questioning, they can hold you in detainment, I believe, for 72 hrs without bringing official charges/arrest. As to telling the charges: questioning = no, detainment = yes but under the time frame and depending on legal representation. Official arrest = yes but I’m unclear on when it needs to be stated. Obviously it needs to be done before arraignment so as to prepare a legal position on your guilt or innocence.
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u/nilesandstuff 2d ago
This is the closest answer of all of them.
If you're just detained, they don't have to tell you anything. They can detain you if they have probable cause to believe you committed a crime.
They DO have to inform you of the charges when you're officially placed under arrest. They can officially place you under arrest any time between when you're detained and when they start driving to the jail.
Re the 72 hours thing: you're mixing up 2 different things. What you're thinking of is how they'll charge you with a minor charge that they can only hold you on for a limited period of time... They do that to get time to gather evidence to charge you with a more serious crime. But they still had to have an initial crime to charge you with.
Correction about the ID thing: you DO have to present ID if police are investigating a crime that they think you may be connected with. It really is that vague... They have to have reason to think you're connected (that isnt based on profiling). This is easily the most widely misunderstood "i know my rights!" trope out there. So many body cam vids of people getting lawfully arrested because they refused a lawful order to present ID or identify themselves in any way. The charge is obstruction, because you're obstructing the officer's ability to conduct an investigation by not saying who you are. I've seen a bunch of vids where the suspect refuses to identify themselves, gets belligerent about their "rights", tries walking/driving away, and then ends up on the ground with taser probes in their back.
I'm no bootlicker... Just fucking identify yourself if asked... If you don't want to comply, ask "am a free to leave"... If they say no, you have to follow any orders they give you... But the only question you NEED to answer is "what's your name" (or present ID).
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u/VeckLee1 3d ago
"When I was a teenager, I was into teenage girls. As an adult I'm into adult women. As a child I liked grape juice, as an adult I like wine... but I still like grape juice. Whew! That was a close one! Thank God my brain just knew which way to go!"
-Mark Normand
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u/Brewmeiser 3d ago
"The 30 year old teacher allegedly raped a 15 year old student". Fixed it.
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u/already-taken-wtf 3d ago
Apparently in a lot of jurisdictions the definition of “rape” includes penetration by the perpetrator.
…which makes it a bit gendered.
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u/adamfrom1980s 3d ago
She didn’t “have a tryst” with the student. She raped the student.
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u/Illinois_Yooper 3d ago
That’s the word that got me. You would never hear “the 30 year old male teacher had a tryst with a 13 year old female student “
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u/TheMexicanChip1 3d ago
I Guess when you have a certain type, everything else literally does not matter.
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u/Searchlights 3d ago
Sometimes I wonder whether these women weren't attractive in high school and they're acting on some kind of arrested development now that they are.
I really don't know.
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u/RanaMahal 3d ago
90% of these hot teachers in their early 30s grew into it.
Look at that glow ups subreddit and you’ll see lol. They almost always have a similar set of features
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u/Agreeable-Smile8541 3d ago
On "paid leave" is absolutely wild to me. She needs to be fired and never able to teach again.
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u/HarryHood146 3d ago
Why is this rapist getting paid leave?
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u/Warrior_Warlock 3d ago
Bc she hasn't been convicted yet and at this point its formally only alleged? Not saying she isn't guilty, but there is a reason people are awarded due process.
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u/Idontdanceforfun 3d ago
except luigi*
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u/Somterink 3d ago
Good luck finding 12 people that haven't been fucked by the American healthcare system.
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u/Warrior_Warlock 3d ago
Or Kilmar Abrego Garcia.
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u/bradm7777 3d ago
Or Brown skinned people who have the audacity to have a public opinion about how the USA conducts its business.
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u/tacoboyfriend 3d ago
It’s how the union works. She will be investigated and ramifications will follow upon their findings.
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u/skeightytoo 3d ago
Throwing around the word "love" in such a dumpster situation. People are fucking stupid
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u/ThoughtfulLlama 3d ago
Honestly, beautiful people have had it too hard for too long. /s
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u/iamkristo 3d ago
If I’d been 15, I’d bang her, no regrets
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u/tacobellsimp 3d ago
Haha I was scrolling looking for this comment. Every single male I’ve ever met in my entire life at 15 years old would sleep with his attractive teacher.
Not saying is right on the teachers part, cause it’s clearly not, but from the kids perspective, he just hit the lottery.
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u/Vladxxl 3d ago
Yeah I know what she did is fucked but also having a hard time imagining myself not jumping on the opportunity when I was 15.
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u/iamkristo 3d ago
Right? Mate when I was 15 and a milf would approache me, I would go absolute wild on the offer
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u/Dent-Abides 3d ago
Dammit, where were all these sexed up teachers when I was a kid
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u/Prophet_of_Fire 3d ago
I must know what all these teacher husband's are thinking/reacting. Howdy you reconcile this and not go bonkers.
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u/MemeEditsReturns 3d ago
In America, your school will get the occasional mass shooting, but at least your teacher will suck you off as you're hiding under a desk..
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u/Keyakinan- 3d ago
Yes I know double standards, but the 15 y/o me would've done this baddy for sure! I would defend her to the grave as well. Not saying she didn't take advantage, but the 15 year old me would Def taken advantage of her as much as possible 😂
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u/Elvarien2 3d ago
The double standard of not calling a rapist pedofile a rapist pedofile is pretty fucking gross.
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u/Educational_Lock7816 3d ago
She’s hot ASF why would she need a child to fulfil her needs
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u/trumplehumple 3d ago
she has a husband too. its because she is a pedophile
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u/Educational_Lock7816 3d ago
You are 100% correct. So F her hope they throw the book at her
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u/Predditor14 3d ago
I literally just said this in my brain! Why is she after baby dick? She can get any guy she wants
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u/pedro-m-g 3d ago
What a weird thing to say about an alleged paedophile
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u/AlarminglyConfused 3d ago
Its weird to say its weird to say someone is attractive when they are. Youre weird for wanting to pretend she isnt because shes a pedophile. Both things can be true.
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u/tacobellsimp 3d ago
I’ve learned over the years women and men view attractiveness very differently. A lot of men can separate a persons physical attractiveness from all the other aspects that make up that person. Women simply cannot in most circumstances. Pretty interesting.
Here’s an example me and my GF talk about a lot. We’ll be watching a reality TV show and I’ll mention how one of the contestants is attractive. She’ll say she doesn’t think so cause she’s a horrible person. I’ll laugh and say I’m not talking about her personality and yeah she’s terrible but she’s attractive. She just can’t get past the personality aspect
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u/cutey513 3d ago
The mental gymnastics people use to explain their deplorable behavior is astonishing in the most disgusting ways.
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u/lolyp0p9 3d ago
Ahhh the typical guilty until proven innocent.
Let’s all hate on her, then we realize she was framed hate on the dude.
Or let’s just hate her and move on.
Unless she actually did it, let’s go back to hating her.
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u/Friendlyalterme 3d ago
Yeah i mean it's easy to fake texts these days so I kinda wonder? Esp since she asked for her husband to come with? To me a person guilty of an affair wouldn't ask for this?
I am not suggesting we assume she's innocent and let her near the alleged victim but once they're separated for safety I say we wait for evidence to come forward
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u/Masterkush0420 3d ago
That lucky little bastard. Bet he's pissed his parents went through his phone.
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u/dloverbrn 3d ago
A girl I went to high school with got caught with a student while she was engaged to her high school sweetheart. It all came out after they got married and one of the "encounters" was while her fiance was at his bachelor party. She spent time in jail and her husband never left her. They now have 2 kids...
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u/CerberusB 3d ago
school in usa is crazy, one way the other - it is completely understandable that the people there think trump or elmo is a smart person
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u/Lovis83854 3d ago
all of you say rape, but this does not sound like rape, rape is a forced sexual act it sounds fairly consensual to me
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u/JackC747 3d ago
I'm sure the cops would've been as calm and reasonable if it'd been a man that raped a girl
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u/SlashEssImplied 3d ago
True if that man was a cop, an SRO for thousands of examples.
Look into the reality of women trying to report being raped to cops.
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u/Communal-Lipstick 3d ago
If you're pretty and you want to not be targeted, not raping kids works great.
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u/IcyClassic3343 3d ago
I feel bad that I have double standards and I’m jealous of a kid for definitely having a better childhood than me because I’m looking at her. I’m just like damn… And I try to think about the situation and I’m just like damn why couldn’t it be me?
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u/morganational 3d ago edited 3d ago
Your title gave me a migraine. What happened to grammar?
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u/idiveindumpsters 3d ago
I’m getting old, but “… have me a migraine” doesn’t sound right.
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u/morganational 3d ago
Anyone have a version of this where there is context? Or at least not a stroke-inducing title?
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Why the fuck do reporters always use soft words with women when it comes to sexual offenses against a minor???
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u/firematt422 3d ago
Someone needs to go to jail over putting that kid on blast for a 'short morning.'
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u/Nightcroc 3d ago
Teacher predators have always been around. Just more a news story these days and belief it happened
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u/bidensleftkidney 3d ago
I’m sorry, paid leave ? a pedephile, someone who had sexual relations with child is on paid leave from there job, and not being sued and thrown into jail for 15 years?
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u/Mr-Xcentric 3d ago
Anybody else catch that they put her on PAID fucking leave instead of firing her for this
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u/zandercommander 2d ago
Try and use an apostrophe instead of quotations when paraphrasing a quotation. ‘They all after me because I am beautiful.’ Or just use the original quotation, it’s clearly written out in the video
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u/Glittering-Dinner-44 2d ago
For those people who are defending her and making jokes just think what would happen if the roles were reversed and it was a man.
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u/Brick-Finatic87 2d ago
There's NO WAY she didn't know EXACTLY what this was about the second the officer told her she needed to be taken in for questioning. Unless she was committing other crimes and wasn't sure which one she was getting busted for.
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u/ajcpullcom 3d ago
I’m not a teacher, or a pedo, or good-looking. So thank goodness I’m safe.