On the one hand, marching together in solidarity is always a net good. On the other hand, we just elected a local DA whose whole position was "we aren't ruining the lives of protestors enough"...
I'm sure folks marching through the streets today will meditate on this dichotomy.
Theres a thread on blackpeopletwitter about Kamala and the people who refused to vote for her bc of her stand on Gaza. And idk if it was astroturfed or if it was a bunch of real people wholesomely engaging with each other. But the comments were a fucking cesspool. I saw a new theory I hadnt heard: all the Gaza protestors were Russian decoys, trying to sow dissent and cause Harris to lose. Amazing. If Russia could get away with that, good for them. They’re clearly better at this than the alphabet boys.
Most the comments were them attacking single-issue voters, and that really does miss the overall point. Because its not actual just the one issue. Because her stance on Gaza, is no different than her stance on immigtation. Or towards corporations. She isnt some generous saint, fighting for people out of the kindness of her heart. She is the establishment, and wildly unpopular—on top of all the misogny and racism this country has.
Libs refusing to budge a fucking inch on Gaza is beyond infruriating. Had Kamala fully condemned the actions of Biden and vowed to actually bring Israel to heel, alright, thats something. But no, she doesnt give a fuck and neither do any of the rest. They’re going to scold the left for years, decades, about how WE are the reason Gazans are suffering.
The Leopards ate my face sub has just become people who didn’t like the dems because of Genocide are retards. I see so many posts that are gleeful about people’s rights being violated because they couldn’t hold their nose and vote for the genocide ticket. It has to be some Israeli astro turfing right?
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u/MattcVILiterally, figuratively, and metaphysically Hamas 🔻 1d ago
I think it's a mix. There's definitely astroturfing on many subs but you really do have a lot of vindictive BlueMAGA types out there, the ones who say stuff like "Oh you didn't vote blue? Have fun in the camps!"
That mentality is just fucking nuts to me, even as a die hard dem voter you have to realize they lost because they didn’t have anything to sell besides the status quo of genocide and sporadic treats
She is the stand for nothing, fall for anything of candidates. You can extrapolate this to her supporters, buying whatever line soothes them after losing every “battleground” state. Horrible spokesperson for a dying ideology.
I saw someone say “it’s unfair to say democrats and republicans are both controlled by the rich because there are literally several democratic politicians speaking out against big corporations”… LITERALLY SEVERAL OF THEM
Sometimes I think they intentionally do a bad job of lying about it so that maybe you'll get personally offended and go support the Republicans. It has been a real demographic battle to keep those Republican numbers up, and sometimes Pepsi and coke have to work together for the sake of flavor, the ultimate good.
We had the same protests 8 years ago and the outcome has been worse than if Trump had just won in 2020. I'm skeptical another round of "we're the more competent cop lovers/immigrant haters" is going to achieve anything worthwhile.
I went to one today to support my sister who's super liberal and wanted to go. People were literally shouting their thanks to the cops as we walked by them.
Yeah and now there's not even a simultaneous (if ultimately ineffective) radical protest movement, because thar shit got beaten out of most of us between 2017 and 2020, aided and abetted by the cop loving democrats
unironically posting is more effective and useful than any of these 50501 protests. you’re better off doing literally anything else. these people are protesting FOR a competent empire.
I was just at the one in Denver, there was a fairly large Palestine contingent, thanks largely to PSL and FRSO.
There were a lot of very, very libbed up signs though.
These are ultimately just parades but honestly I like walking through the streets shouting loudly. In fact I do that alone all the time, so being in a crowd of people doing the same thing makes me feel less crazy.
Also thinking about how pro-nato liberals decided to organize a separate march on Washington today, the same day as the march on Washington organized by shut it down for Palestine/pym/psl
There's a post in Vermont openly stating "performance art protesting is valid, change my mind" just in case anyone was really still getting warm and fuzzies from the scheduled Dem staffer posting of the protest pics.
In all fairness, I did see 1.5 black people in one of the PA photos, so I'm glad to see it all still doesn't look like an after church breakfast rush crowd. Growth!
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u/EmployerGloomy6810 1d ago
Theres a thread on blackpeopletwitter about Kamala and the people who refused to vote for her bc of her stand on Gaza. And idk if it was astroturfed or if it was a bunch of real people wholesomely engaging with each other. But the comments were a fucking cesspool. I saw a new theory I hadnt heard: all the Gaza protestors were Russian decoys, trying to sow dissent and cause Harris to lose. Amazing. If Russia could get away with that, good for them. They’re clearly better at this than the alphabet boys.
Most the comments were them attacking single-issue voters, and that really does miss the overall point. Because its not actual just the one issue. Because her stance on Gaza, is no different than her stance on immigtation. Or towards corporations. She isnt some generous saint, fighting for people out of the kindness of her heart. She is the establishment, and wildly unpopular—on top of all the misogny and racism this country has.
Libs refusing to budge a fucking inch on Gaza is beyond infruriating. Had Kamala fully condemned the actions of Biden and vowed to actually bring Israel to heel, alright, thats something. But no, she doesnt give a fuck and neither do any of the rest. They’re going to scold the left for years, decades, about how WE are the reason Gazans are suffering.