r/UpliftingNews • u/ahothabeth • 1d ago
Europe to burned American scientists: We’ll take you in
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-exploit-dunald-trump-brain-drain-academic-research-progressive-institutions/409
u/FloridaGatorMan 1d ago
At first glance I read that as “Europe to burn American scientists.” I was like Jesus, people, they have enough problems right now!
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u/ThirdAltAccounts 20h ago
I had to read it 3 times before realizing no one was gonna be set on fire
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u/TranquilSeaOtter 1d ago
AMU President Eric Berton told POLITICO that the program — which was “born of indignation at what is happening to our American colleagues” — had been inundated with applications from nearly 150 researchers hailing from top universities including Yale, Colombia and Stanford, as well as from U.S. government agencies like the National Institutes of Health, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, and NASA.
Let the brain drain of the United States commence.
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u/PiotrekDG 1d ago
Operation ClipPaper.
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u/nerankori 1d ago
Operation repappilC
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u/Mammoth-Pipe-5375 1d ago
That's funny thinking we'll have the thinking power to figure out what that is in a few years
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u/skadoosh0019 22h ago
To bring us to the modern age…Operation Clippy
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u/Shudnawz 14h ago edited 14h ago
"It looks like you're trying to speedrun your country into oblivion. Would you like some help to evacuate your scientists?"
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u/Intelligent_Flow2572 1d ago
Yep, came here to say let the brain drain begin. Great plan, Trump. Guess you don’t know history.
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u/unassumingdink 1d ago
If this is how dumb things are before the brain drain, imagine what it's going to be like after.
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u/Tovar42 1d ago
Columbia* man, Americans really confuse both on purpose, dont they?
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u/s_ngularity 23h ago
I understand the reference, but they are etymologically from the same origin and pronounced the same in American English, so it’s not really surprising that the spellings are frequently mixed up. I usually see the opposite spelling mistake though, because “Columbia” is much more common here
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u/BRNitalldown 21h ago
Obviously they meant Universidad de Colombia in Bogotá, owing to their academic prestige to stand amongst the likes of Yale and Stanford.
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u/Zarmazarma 10h ago
This article was written by a Spaniard, a Lithuanian, and a Belgian, for... checks notes Politico.eu.
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u/SoulSkrix 9h ago
I left the UK as a brain drain move in response to Brexit. Wonder if the UK even really changed much.
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u/Badj83 1d ago
They said they had 150 applications. Well, that’s it. It’s over. That’s all the brains America had left.
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u/TranquilSeaOtter 1d ago
Sometimes it's helpful to actually read the article. If you don't, you end up making comments that prove your ignorance. Let me help you:
Most of the applicants are researching subjects like climate change, immunology and infectious diseases, or social sciences involving gender, diversity and migration — fields targeted by the Trump administration’s war on science and diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) issues. Berton added that even historians had applied to the program.
So the scientists applying are likely either already targeted by Trump or will very likely be targeted very soon. My research is focused on RNA (not vaccines) and I can tell you that the sentiment amongst my colleagues is that if our funding gets pulled, our next move is either Canada or Europe. None of us intend to stay at that point.
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u/Cerberus_Aus 13h ago
The CSIRO in Australia would love to have you.
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u/Jedi-Librarian1 11h ago
There aren’t enough research jobs in Australia for Australian scientists. Lack of people to do research in most fields isn’t the problem. It’s getting funding to pay for anyone to have a research job after finishing their PhD.
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u/Lazy-Jackfruit-199 1d ago edited 1d ago
That funding isn't coming back. Academia is a primary pillar of a functioning society. These pillars are the target of the heritage foundation and their little project. Academia is a big obstacle to their theocratic wet dream. Why do you think all levels of education have been under attack since the late 70s? Edit for tone.
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u/Thomas_JCG 1d ago
Hmmm... High cost of living, radicalization of the people, trying to invade a neighboring nation, the scientific mind exodus...
This feels familiar.
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u/Generico300 1d ago
Greenland is the new Poland?
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u/Mothanius 1d ago
Calling it the new Danzig would be more apt. Hitler didn't demand all of Poland off the bat.
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u/brainhack3r 1d ago
You'll save $5-10k to leave the US now so it pays for itself!
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u/roleunplayed 1d ago edited 1d ago
What's that
Edit: familiar to what
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u/Francobanco 1d ago
Starting in 1933 Nazi Germany was exactly like this, intellectuals leaving at an extremely rapid rate (until no one could leave anymore after 1939)
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u/roleunplayed 1d ago
Cool that's what I suspected, I was wondering did they experience a high cost of living?
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u/romacopia 1d ago
Yes and no. It's unsurprisingly one of the more complex and extreme economic situations in modern history.
The Weimar republic was in a severe economic crisis at the start of the nazi regime. Despite Germany already being heavily in debt, Hitler spent big and drove economic stimulus through giant public works projects like the autobahn system and a huge rearmament push. Unemployment plummeted and industrial output surged, but it was all smoke and creative accounting that ignored long-term sustainability and incurred even greater debt. Consumer goods remained scarce, wages were tightly controlled, and workers lost the right to strike or bargain. Living costs did drop in some areas. Basic goods were subsidized, rents were controlled, and inflation was curbed - but consumer choice was limited, quality often poor, and shortages were common due to the regime’s focus on rearmament over consumer production. So Germans saw high reward at first, but it came from their nation assuming absurd risk. The social zeitgeist of the time aside, Germany was guaranteed collapse unless they expanded rapidly (spoiler: this also lead to its collapse).
By 1939, Germany was drowning in Mefo bills - a kind of off-the-books IOU scheme cooked up by Hjalmar Schacht to hide the ballooning military expenditures. Companies financed rearmament on credit, expecting the state to pay later. “Later” never came. Rearmament meant fat contracts, factory expansions, and a state that couldn’t say no. The regime funneled billions into heavy industry - steel, chemicals, arms manufacturing - and Krupp, IG Farben, and Siemens bought in. They knew Hitler was racking up massive debts. They saw the unsustainable economics. But as long as the factories roared and the orders rolled in, they didn’t care. Most of these elites assumed they could control or outlast him. In the end, they couldn't.
So, again, yes and no. The cost of living decreased significantly at first, but, in exchange, the German people guaranteed their own doom. Also, these economic benefits were built atop a machine of coercion, silencing, and mass suffering. It could only ever pay off in any way for one specific political and ethnic group and only within a very short timeframe.
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u/da2Pakaveli 1d ago
High prices certainly after the worldwide recession and Hitler used that to rile up the masses against Jews
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u/Farcespam 1d ago
It's called a brain drain. Where the smartest leave for better opportunities. Since the US went full Russia with the anti-science and post truth. It's going to be a trillion times safer for them since Maga is well dumb like pol pots cult.
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u/pyronius 1d ago
I would love to leave, but I changed jobs a year and a half ago and left research for a highly specialized clinical lab.
Sadly, I don't think there's an across the board "can you pipette shit?" visa available.
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u/Subtleabuse 1d ago
We have pipettes in Europe
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u/niscy 1d ago
Shit too!
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u/Artemis_in_Exile 1d ago
Yes. But can they put the shit in a pipette? You have to ask the hard questions.
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u/malk600 15h ago
Depends on what you're doing really. EU (+ UK, Switzerland, etc) is big, might be there are groups doing something compatible.
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u/HugryHugryHippo 1d ago
Looks like Idiocracy is getting closer to reality in America
Brought to you by Carl Jrs
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u/Periwinkleditor 1d ago
We passed idiocracy in 2020 when there was a catastrophic crisis and the leader refused to listen to someone who knew more about the subject. Oh, to have a president as competent as President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Camacho about now.
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u/Wrong_Confection1090 1d ago
What about Americans who aren't scientists and have no real useful skills but would like to live in a country that isn't actively burning to the ground? Asking for a friend.
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u/iKill_eu 1d ago
Unfortunately every 90 years or so the world basically draws lots to see which country(s) have to take one for the team to remind everyone else that fascism and isolationism is very bad, and this time, America lost.
The good news is that you can still influence whether you end up like post-WWII Germany, or like post-cold war Russia. The bad news is it'll take a decade or two (or three) before you know where you landed, and a lot of people are going to die or become homeless first.
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u/Worthlessstupid 1d ago
Honestly I really thought France or Brazil were going to get the lead role but honestly the US has been flirting with fascist ideals for a long time. This reckoning has been a long time coming.
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u/VioletsAreBlooming 1d ago
hopefully the chinese century is merciful to us
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u/friedrice5005 1d ago
You don't know much about Chinese history do you?
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u/frustratedpolarbear 1d ago
I am always shocked by the difference in casualties between eastern and western history.
The English civil war: approximately 80,000 soldiers killed, another estimated 100,000 civilians from famine etc over a decade.
The Manchu conquest of china: 25,000,000 casualties reported over 60 years.
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u/ForcaAereaBelka 21h ago
If you rank conflicts by number of casualties, Chinese civil wars make up three of the top five.
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u/Wrong_Confection1090 1d ago
Well thanks so much Happy McOptimism. Please wipe your shoes before you leave so you don't track my hopes and dreams all over.
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u/iKill_eu 1d ago
Sorry. I really wish this wasn't happening, and I am not trying to be a doomer. But I genuinely don't think the US is going to get better on its own before things get so bad that people who are currently unaffected start feeling it.
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u/EpilepticPuberty 1d ago
But I genuinely don't think the US is going to get better on its own before things get so bad that people who are currently unaffected start feeling it.
Isn't this the source of most human change? Nobody joins a revolution or sails across an ocean to join a gold rush because things are going really well for them. Few people with a healthy pension, a paid off house, high pay lots of vacation time are willing to walk out on a limb to enact significant change. I think people in wealthy parts of the world and especially Americans have spent multiple generations without anything really disruptive happening. Sure there have been disruptions like Covid but the zeitgeist was all about getting back to normal for a majority of people. People on the Internet have been crying (more like moaning) for change, it is now upon us.
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u/FlexLikeKavana 8h ago
Few people with a healthy pension, a paid off house, high pay lots of vacation time are willing to walk out on a limb to enact significant change.
Trump is enacting very significant change, and that is the profile of many, many people who voted for him.
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u/Spoonofdarkness 19h ago
I really hope it doesn't involve a major global conflict like your examples
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u/Austoman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Well... you do have the constitution, which includes amendments regarding unwanted leadership that are always an option.
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u/FullMoonTwist 1d ago
We tried impeaching him already, and the dumb fucks didn't finish because "I'm sure he's learned his lesson ♡"
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u/Austoman 1d ago
Hmmm, how do I say that there are more options than impeachment without it sounding like Im supporting violence, because Im not supporting violence.
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u/Zaicheek 1d ago
these things have been said well by founders. no need for you to advocate for anything other than heeding the advice of our constitutional founders.
"What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure."
-Thomad Jefferson
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u/Wrong_Confection1090 1d ago
Yeah just as soon as my House of Representatives isn't controlled by a bunch of hooting jackasses from the dregs of society I'll look into that.
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u/Deeeeeeeeehn 19h ago
He was convicted of 34 felony charges. The court declined to enforce any sentence for the conviction.
You're kidding yourself if you think there is any level of american government that can still be considered functional.
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u/Reyzorblade 1d ago
Well there's the Dutch American Friendship Treaty.
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u/khinzaw 1d ago
obtaining a Dutch tax number (BSN or Burger Service Nummer)
The Dutch sure know how to make taxes appeal to Americans.
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u/melodicvegetables 1d ago
Lol. In case anyone is wondering: 'burger' is Dutch for 'citizen'.
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u/MINKIN2 1d ago
What about them? This is about scientists. And don't think Europe will be just anyone of those either. If your field is "why is water wet" then they won't be for consideration regardless of their feelings of the current administration. It is a nice platitude very few will actually make the cut.
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u/LaserPoweredDeviltry 1d ago
We'll be left holding the bag.
As is tradition for the common folk everywhere, every time.
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u/Fapoleon_Boneherpart 1d ago
Y'all be staying right where you are. Just like the rest of us in the world have to, unless we work hard.
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u/rclonecopymove 1d ago
Don't give up on your country. The tariffs can be reversed. I'm not saying that real damage hasn't been done to the friendships that the US had but giving up on Western liberal democracy isn't the answer. Get in touch with those in your life who live in swing states see how you can help in the mid terms. Talk to your family and friends who did vote for him and try to bring them round. (This isn't easy and some are too far gone but there are plenty who can be convinced to at least stop supporting him.) Hold local elected officeholders to account if they support trump. Doesn't have to be a national politician local politics make a difference.
And stop hoping for a magic candidate that represents exactly what you want, you will only be disappointed. The only thing you can hope for is someone who isn't set on destroying the world order. You might have to get behind someone as liberal as Bernie or as conservative as Liz Cheany. It's only about beating trumpism with something less worse.
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u/ceecee_50 1d ago
It’s much more than just Trump. It’s the entire GOP that enables and support everything he is doing.
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u/RiseOfTheNorth415 1d ago
And the opposition who opposes Trump like a noose opposes a hanging man.
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u/LordBiscuits 22h ago
This. The dems are hardly being an active deterrent here are they.
Absolute silence from the old guard too. Not so much as a statement from Obama or Bush. The latter is watching some of the only positive things his administration ever did, mostly USAID stuff, taken apart brick by brick... his legacy reduced to memories... yet still absolute radio silence.
Trump has free rein, and anyone with the political influence to do anything about it has dissappeared up their own arse
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u/rclonecopymove 1d ago
And you need to hold everyone to that support. I'm not in the US so this is easy for me to say. But make trump an albatross around their neck. I suspect quite a few of the institutionalists in the Republican party will dump him once it becomes clear that his name is an electoral liability. That of course presumes you will have free and fair elections going forward.
Watch out for his reaction to Powell's statement, he may very well move against the fed.
But don't give up keep fighting.
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u/OohWeeTShane 1d ago
Unfortunately the republican voters care more about winning elections than about who they elect and what they stand for, so many will continue to vote in the same right wing nuts who won’t change anything because why should they.
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u/IzzyWithAnIzze 1d ago
Nah man I didn't give up on my country, my country gave up on me.
Americans don't want a voice of reason. They don't want civility. They don't want peace. They want to be their own little tyrants hell-bent on destroying everything they don't like.
My family is a prime example. I fucking hate my family dude. They're idiots that cannot be convinced and god knows I've tried. But even something simple like vaccines being a good thing or climate change being real is just me being "brainwashed". They're cheering on as the country gets razed and pillaged, convinced that the people they don't like will suffer more than them. And that's all before the vitrol they spew at me for being trans.
Fuck this country. I'm glad I was born in Canada. I lived there for 3 years of my life and over the past few weeks I've felt more pride and patriotism for Canada that I ever did for America.
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u/yckawtsrif 1d ago edited 1d ago
This. Far more pearl-clutching progressives in the US need to read this very message, as they tend to be short-sighted assholes who allow perfect to be the enemy of good. (And, I say this as someone who has no objection to Americans moving abroad if they believe their lives will improve.)
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u/rclonecopymove 1d ago edited 1d ago
It's not just in the States, completely discounting a candidate or party on the basis of one policy position. And what's really infuriating is that the other likely winner will usually have a position on that policy much further removed than the party they're giving up on.
Politics is not an Uber that takes you to your final destination rather a bus that gets you closer to where you wanna go but many times it might seem like it's going further away while it takes a circuitous route you have to remember it's only cause there are many people on the bus going in much the same direction but not the same destination.
And if you don't believe it ask yourself given the choice between trump and another recent Republican candidate which would you prefer? (Not like, just prefer) McCain, Romney, Christie.
Would any of them be tearing the world order apart? Would they be setting out to make every American poorer? They'd be doing a lot of stuff you wouldn't like but they wouldn't be destroying what's been made like this guy.
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u/FuckTripleH 1d ago
Don't give up on your country.
I have no love or loyalty to this country whatsoever, the only reason I'm still here is that I haven't found a way to leave yet. I see absolutely no reason for not giving up on it
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u/ImJLu 1d ago edited 1d ago
How long are we supposed to pretend that this is realistically fixable? The rise of Trump was 10 years ago, and he's only become more popular. The fact that he got elected again just shows that the plurality of the American voting public is irredeemably braindead. It's a country where half of all adults can't read and comprehend a book at an 8th grade level. They're not suddenly going to learn how. They're just going to sit around watching Fox and eating the slop they're fed like good little piggies.
Besides, for those of us who don't live in swing states and don't know anyone who does, we have no power anyways. The electoral college means basically only the moderate voters in a few states matter when it comes to a presidential election.
Also, Supreme Court nominations are for life, and it's heavily tilted right for the foreseeable future. And the Democrats would never have the balls to pack the court. Not to mention the massive amounts of wacko right wing judge appointments at lower levels from Trump's first term, and I'm sure there'll be many more this time.
It's over. This isn't a transient thing. This is the will of the American people as a whole.
But at least we have the silver lining of watching Trump supporters suffer from what they voted for.
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u/rclonecopymove 1d ago
Read Richard Evans trilogy and see what happens when you just give up.
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u/ImJLu 1d ago edited 1d ago
What's your suggested alternative, for someone with no political influence, living in a state where their presidential vote is meaningless, who doesn't know anyone who lives in a swing state? And whose local elections are often uncontested, due to being in a congressional district that's something like 80% blue, in a very blue city in a blue state? Besides bitch on reddit and go about their life trying to make the best out of it for them and their family and friends? Are they supposed to somehow buy Twitter, Facebook, and News Corp? Fix America's education system and culture? What's your solution?
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u/Rooilia 1d ago
Afaik, it is okayish, if you run now. In a year or two it might be too late. The new government will tighten immigration for certain.
You need to know basic german already to naturalize. The other important point is, you need to be tough enough to go through our beaurocracy.
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u/_blue_skies_ 1d ago
It is not easy to live as an expat unless you are rich.The fact that you will have to still pay taxes to USA plus the local taxes makes it extremely difficult unless you renounce your citizenship if you have another one. It would be better to spend effort to change your country. Start to organise and do something about it. In Europe we bring down the governments when they are bad, with protest and strikes, you are not in a situation where the majority of people are supporting him, that would be without hope that would be a good reason to leave your life behind.
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u/ArchaicWatchfullness 1d ago
Want to teach English in Spain? The NALCAP program can get you over here. You can't do it for more than three years but that gives you time to find something else like teaching at an academy.
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u/Generico300 1d ago
Those people are gonna find out that a lot of their favorite "progressive" countries have far more draconian immigration laws than the US. Unless you have enough money. Then you can just buy citizenship. That whole "give us your tired, your poor, your tempest tossed" sentiment is pretty exclusively American (and even this country is losing sight of that now).
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u/Cow_says_moo 1d ago
Never too old to learn. There's heaps of jobs in Europe in cyber security. The fact you're on Reddit probably means you're more tech savvy than the average person.
Skill up, learn another language and try your luck!
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u/Wrong_Confection1090 1d ago
Half the people who have responded to this are like "Hey brother, do what you can, we'll be happy to have you," and the other half are like "If you so much as look at my country I will gut you, you American swine."
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u/Bucknut1959 1d ago
Trump would be happy if all the intelligent people left America, then the morons left could elect him for life. The only drawback is Trump still has the nuclear football at his demented disposal.
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u/AttentionSpanZero 8h ago
My family is leaving in a few months. We will continue to vote against him from overseas, but I expect he will soon make it illegal for expats to vote... Well his plan ultimately is to get rid of voting entirely anyway.
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u/stargazerAMDG 1d ago
But with what money? Even with the draconian cuts, the US is still funding research at a higher level than most EU countries combined. This is an article advertising small local initiatives that have programs getting 10x as many applicants as spots. If Europe really wants to do this they need to double research spending to match what the US was at prior to the cuts otherwise they are poaching a handful of American scientists and forcing them to compete against their own.
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u/supermarkise 1d ago
Yeah, the funding and job situation in European unis is not that great. For this to work we need much more funding. Or I guess we can all work in weapon production and software development to get rid of US dependencies.
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u/ToMorrowsEnd 9h ago
Uh Software development has been rising in the EU. a LOT of the critical stuff is now coming from the EU. Garbage like desktops apps and games still come from programming hothouses that abuse employees like EA in the USA. The. American work ethic is infecting software in a bad way, Agile and Scrum produces release and release of just trash bug ridden software. Recently we switched to using Simscale Gmbh for one of our core simulation suites and its like a breath of fresh air. Holy crap it works and work consistently. It's such a stark difference that we are now looking for other EU alternatives and moving away from the dumpster fire that is american software that is actually made in India.
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u/Dry-Poem6778 1d ago
Operation: Unclip Paper
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u/RaiseRuntimeError 1d ago
I wonder how many Republicans are reading through the comments wondering why people keep talking about paper clips.
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u/dandrevee 1d ago
...I should have pursued my passion for evolutionary biology. This is only refueling the bitter memories of the YECist who indoctrinated young me.
I wish these scientists the best.
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u/ergovobis 1d ago
I highly doubt that evolutionary biologist are amongst the traget group of scirntists to be poached
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u/geekyCatX 1d ago
Absolutely. This call is targeted at already very well established bigshots. For your average talented PostDoc, there is next to zero funding in Europe.
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u/lilgreenie 1d ago
Yes, from everything I've been reading, highly trained lab techs like myself probably won't be much sought after (working in infectious disease, no less!). Just the boss.
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u/BrexitHangover 1d ago
Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free
-- Europe
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u/JovahkiinVIII 1d ago
It’s not just America. Someone I know is a professor and researcher of neuroscience in UBC, Canada. His research was funded by the NIH iirc, and they recently lost all of it
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u/dundidadab 1d ago
I’m tired of seeing this shitty headline clickbait dogshit. The 150 Top U.S. scholars could get a fuxking job anywhere, what about the other fucking scientists
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u/RaiseRuntimeError 1d ago
I have friends already leaving or looking at options. Conversations like this are pretty regular at the bar, birthday parties, baby showers, poster sessions.
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u/dundidadab 1d ago
That’s just standard leaving and getting a new job in a new country though. 70% of scientists are considering the same thing, including myself. This specific article has been reposted countless times for weeks now, offering only 150 positions reserved only for the best of the best scientists in the country. I’m not sure how many of us scientists there are in the country, but I’m waiting for the day that one of these countries are willing to hire thousands of scientists, not just 150 of them.
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u/yujikimura 1d ago
I don't get it either. You see these titles, but then you go look for positions in specialized fields in the EU and the pay cut is so massive it doesn't even compensate for the public healthcare and other quality of life improvements. I'm talking about getting paid about 1/3 of what some US companies offer after all deductions.
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u/OkOutlandishness7336 1d ago
The brain drain from Nazi Germany helped the Allies win the war and advance in other fields post WWWII. But hey, Trump loves the uneducated!
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u/FloralIndoril 1d ago
Not a scientist but when they start criminalizing gay people can we PLEASE be allowed in, i will work for free at that point.
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u/Sorcatarius 1d ago
FYI if one of your parents was born in Canada, even if you've never even set foot in the country, you may qualify for Canadian citizenship. You can read about it here.
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u/GeneDiesel1 22h ago
I mean, what about the rest of us who are not scientists? I worked in automotive for ~15 years and just recently left that job to go back to school before all this happened.
The people who actually voted against this need help too.
I thought I would be set for life with my 401K plus my parents 401K, who were what I would call wealthy. I expected a few million from that when they pass away. Now I feel screwed in 3 ways: 1) No job in a bad economy with possible inability to take federal loans for law school. 2) My 401K is crashing. 3) My parents 401K is crashing.
Everything I was relying on as a safety net is disappearing.
I want to leave the US. I'd love to leave. However, it's not really possible to become a citizen of another country unless you are wealthy or have certain skills that I don't have.
I hate when people say, "Well, if you don't like it, you can just leave."
Um, no I can't. I was just born here. I didn't choose to be born. I didn't choose what country I was born in. We can't leave to just magically become a citizen of some other country.
Maybe other countries could relax immigration laws for US citizens that didn't vote for Trump?
The problem with that is that Europe already has an immigration problem. They don't want most of the immigrants they do have. Same with Canada. Japan doesn't really want anyone not Japanese.
A lot of us good US citizens are just screwed and there is literally nothing we can do about it, outside of taking up arms in violent protests, which none of us want to do, because we are the "good", non-violent people.
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u/HerpankerTheHardman 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yay, Exodus! Movement of Intelligent People! (Oh yeah! Ohhh yeah!) MOVE!
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u/57_Eucalyptusbreath 23h ago
At this moment I wish I was smart enough to have become a scientist.
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u/dustofdeath 1d ago
Should provide fast track paths for citizenship to various skilled talent positions.
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u/sleepingdeep 1d ago
What about graphic designers just wanting to escape the hellscape? asking for a friend.
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u/MantisBass85 1d ago
Hey Europe, need any Cyber Security professionals...
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u/Isernogwattesnacken 1d ago
Yup, but probably not for the income you were making in the US. Better standard of living is the return.
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u/MantisBass85 1d ago
I would take a pay cut for better living standards and to get out of this mess we have in the states. The wife and I have to constantly read our food labels and check for ingredients that are legal in the states but banned in Europe. Everything here in the states tries and poisons you.
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u/Professional-You2968 1d ago
Skilled workers and scientists are always welcome in the free world.
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u/CCV21 19h ago
These scientists and researchers will have better benefits like 5 weeks of paid vacation a year.
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u/Kapitano72 1d ago
Once, the world got giant leaps in science and technology when all the german scientists emigrated.
So now, americans are leaving, for much the same reason.
This may mean Trump will declare war on the whole world and we'll get a century of guilt for carpet bombing New York. Russia won't be an ally this time though.
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u/Crispy_PotatoChip 1d ago
To all the people who are considering leaving the USA for Europe: Here is some useful information for you
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u/MiniNuka 1d ago
I regret not going into STEM so much these days. If it weren’t for my wonderful partner I would be in a much much darker place with times like these. I hope once this is over we can recover.
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u/wizzard419 23h ago
Yeah, it's not totally uplifting. This concept is called a "Brain drain". It happened in the 2000's when W banned stem-cell research. It puts the country behind in research. The good news is they can continue their work though.
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u/Johnready_ 22h ago
I remember during trumps first term ppl where saying the exact same things I’m seeing in the comments today, i dont know if this time they’re rite about it, but i know this time no one is taking them serious.
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u/Shyguy0256 21h ago
I wish I had a specialized skill and a way to uproot my family. It's all just so depressing. All of this was completely, 100% avoidable.
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u/CommunityRoyal5557 19h ago
Can I come?? I wasn’t accepted at any big name school but I try hard. I’m friendly.
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u/Rabid_Alleycat 16h ago
MAGAts just don’t see the damage they are doing to this country. Rap, if they want to live in a shit-hole country so badly, why can’t they just move to one?
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u/ToMorrowsEnd 10h ago
Some countries have relaxed their immigration requirements as well. Germany, a country notoriously hard to become a citizen has made it possible for the first time in a very long time for anyone with sciences skills to become a citizen if you have a job in country. Dont even need to be multi degreed scientists.
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u/allisonpoe 8h ago
When you realize he's working for our enemies, everything he does suddenly makes perfect sense.
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u/spaceocean99 1d ago
But they’re Americans. Reading anything online makes me think they hate all Americans because of Trump. A bit hypocritical.
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