r/WTF 9d ago

One little mistake can have grave consequences...

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u/Beard_of_Valor 9d ago

disorientate

For clarity, bees experience an urge to load up on honey and ventillate the hive when they sense smoke (prepare to flee and avoid death from poor quality air). This is why the smoke calms them, even if disruption is happening like what might happen in a serious crisis.

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u/Zarda_Shelton 9d ago

So the smoke calms them by making them feel the urge to pack up and run away from death? Am I reading that right?

Maybe me and bees just think differently, but when I need to flee something that tends to be the opposite of calming.

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u/Senocs 9d ago

I think this explanation is more correct:

When bees sense danger, they release an alarm pheromone called isopentyl acetate from a gland near their stingers. This chemical wafts through the air and alerts other bees to be ready to attack. Smoking a beehive masks this pheromone, allowing the beekeeper to safely perform a hive inspection.

https://www.buddhabeeapiary.com/blog/why-do-beekeepers-use-smoke

That's why they attack as soon as the smoke clears

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u/Tactical_Moonstone 8d ago

isopentyl acetate

It's also a common compound released by fruit and fermented drinks, which is why there is a common wisdom saying that you should not go near a beehive if you have eaten or handled a banana recently.

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u/Dripz167 8d ago

Common!? That’s the first time I heard of this! Thank you 🙏

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u/Zarda_Shelton 8d ago

Yep, very common. Almost as common as 'don't take a griddle to a haystack'.

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u/LameBMX 8d ago

I did that once, never again.

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u/JCoxRocks 7d ago

Super bizarre to experience the first time handling a hive. Smells like banana flavored runts and then suddenly the little girls are bouncing off your face screen

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u/Triscuitador 8d ago

interesting, i'm familiar with isoamyl acetate as a yeast byproduct, and it also smells like bananas

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u/Pure-Community-8415 6d ago

My grandpa always bought refrigerated Bud Light cases and kept them in a closet and then re-refrigerated them and it always tasted or smelled like bananas. I guess that explains why… never would I have thought this

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u/SexIsBetterOutdoors 7d ago

I have fed my bees overripe bananas several times before and have never noticed any change in behavior.

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u/personalcheesecake 8d ago

Ah so that's why they immediately started on him.

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u/mrcookieeater 7d ago

You are both correct. Although I'm specifically referring to Apis Mellifera aka the European/Western honey bee, smoke masks the angry banana smells and makes them want to gorge on honey and ignore you. Just a couple puffs can buy you around 20 minutes to work with the hive in my experience. I've had bees that were so gentle I didn't need smoke or protective gear and bees that were so cantankerous that it was like smoke never existed. Source-am beekeeper.

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u/duffkitty 8d ago

Hold my banana daiquiri, I'm going in.

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u/Laurpud 8d ago

That's so interesting, thank you!

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u/A_ChadwickButMore 9d ago

It also partially covers up the alarm/attack pheromone scent. Its the same chemical as artificial banana (isopropyl acetate) and can actually be smelled by humans who done a fuck up in the hive. Just having banana candies before hive time increases your odds of getting stung

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u/Evla03 9d ago

It's different when they don't care about themselves and just the hive, better to be calm and try to save as much as possible compared to fleeing and just dying because you need your hive

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u/Pornfest 8d ago

There’s also the use of tobacco/nicotine to smoke bees, where nicotine is a strong neuroactive chemical. Anyone who’s smoked a cigarette too fast knows what too much nicotine feels like.

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u/Simple_Rooster3 9d ago

Dang it I understood it the same

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u/kurotech 6d ago

Think of it like a fire drill at a school everyone calmly gathers together and calmly walks out otherwise you cause a trample

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u/Drone30389 8d ago
  • Facing an intruder: hive goes into fight mode.

  • Facing fire: hive goes into pack up and leave mode.

Fight mode would be very counterproductive against a fire.

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u/Zarda_Shelton 8d ago

Flee mode is not a calm mode

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u/barbekon 9d ago

Also, to sting you, bee needs to compress it's body to C-shape (to touch you with it's butt) but there is so much honey in stomach, that bee can't do it.

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u/shorelaran 9d ago

So is that why they don’t sting when you find a migrating hive?

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u/OddHeybert 9d ago

I'd assume either that or they want to avoid unnecessary risks or losses while they're vulnerable.

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u/rugbyj 9d ago

"I'm busy, stay here and I'll sting you later."

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u/logicallyundeniable 8d ago

Ah the infamous ‘busy bee’

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u/Hi_562 8d ago

Are bees aware they only have a one shot (then immediately die) stinger system equipped?

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u/OddHeybert 8d ago

You'd think right? But then again there wouldn't be survivors to warn the others so unless the bees can associate the two from observation I would imagine not.

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u/pelrun 9d ago

Mostly it's because they don't have a hive and brood to protect, so it's harder for them to feel sufficiently threatened.

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u/DrOrpheus3 8d ago

If you mean when they seasonally swarm, then that's part of the reason. The bigger reason though bee's are more chill in migration swarms is there's no nest to protect, just the Queen, which they WILL protect.

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u/low_altitude_sherpa 8d ago

Because it is another great day of saving the beeeeees.

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u/Armagetz 8d ago

More to the fact that a sting is fatal to them and they don’t have anything to defend. Now if you started to kill/crush bees and get attack pheromones released they might respond but evolutionarily it’s not to the gain of the hive to throw workers away when there aren’t brood already gestating to replace. Additionally few animals that would have interest in honey less pile of bees can also reach where they typically swarm at.

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u/Teestow21 7d ago

Where is a bee's stomach?

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u/I_knew_einstein 9d ago

Does this also mean you can harvest less honey if you smoke out the bees (because the bees have taken part of the honey)? Would that be a significant part?

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u/barbekon 8d ago

Maybe, maybe not, who knows. Mostly honey in combs is sealed, so even if bees wanted to, they just don't have time to open combs. One bee can take 40 mg of nectar (I don't know how much honey they can take, but I assume, same amount), one hive contains ~30 000 bees (it's for 12 frames hive), so they possibly coud take 1,2kg of honey, each frame can take up to 3kg of honey, let's say half of hive is full of honey - 18kg, it's less than 10%. But this numbers are wery rough.

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u/Beard_of_Valor 8d ago

If you're managing a hive you want to survive, which mostly humans do, it doesn't matter. You were going to leave some anyway.

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u/Comfortable-Tap-9991 9d ago

the smoke suppresses the pheromones released by guard bees that signals the colony to attack. It doesnt calm anyone.

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u/Necessary_Ad_7203 8d ago

Discombobulatate

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u/Beard_of_Valor 8d ago

hiphopopottumate

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u/Pornfest 8d ago

Uhhh nicotine/tobacco can be used in the smoker which calms them.

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u/Beard_of_Valor 8d ago

I smoked bees with a rag and some oil or something. The substance burned may affect things, I don't know, but thick smoke is enough.